# AMMO vs. Pherlure Test/Experiment. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 31, 2007, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925 "2007-05-31T17:25:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jimbo5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e7dd6/32.png) [@jimbo5](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimbo5)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/1 "2007-05-31T17:25:33Z")
Alright, I’ve got the following pheros: IS, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), Instant Honesty, ammo, p74, Turn Up The Heat, Instant Openness and A314. Ive been experimenting for the last 3 weeks and have gotten very little results. Ive had 2 hits that couldve been attributed to pheros - but other than that ive gotten very little. Instant shine works a little but doesnt last more than a couple minutes for me, A314 I can feel a slight difference but it may just be placebo. I tried yesterday to OD with 7 sprays of openess. Nothing… Then i went to the bar with 2 more sprays of openess, 1 p74, 1 ammo and A314. Nothing. Today I tried 6 sprays of insant honesty- nothing. Ive been experimenting with both gaming chicks as well as just acting alpha and not saying much. and been spraying the pheros on my wrists, neck and chest. Anyways long story short Im not getting much for the 250$ ive dropped on these. I used to use an opener when i first bought pherlure. I would spray my normal cologne aqua di gio on one wrist, and pherlure on the other. I’d ask them which one they preferred. It worked quite well. I am going to do a head to head test of ammo and pherlure like this. I want to make sure this is as legit as possible so I plan to do the following: Test at least 20 women in both day situations, then at clubs. I am putting the rest of my pherlure in an unused togo bottle so sprays will be the same. I will take a 3 day break following this post with no pheremones whatsoever. (this will also help me see if my behaviour has changed since being off the smartmones pheros) I will use one spray on each wrist, using the same wrist everyday. I will write down both their preferred “cologne” and as well as any comments, or behaviour changes Essentially im gonna ask them straight up which wrist they like better. Pherlure smells really good regardless of pheremones, so I beleive this will really test the effectiveness of the pheremones in ammo. I realize this is just on MY body, which hasn’t been too lucky with pheremones so far, so the results wont be for everybody. However, I want this experiment to be as controlled as possible, and have somewhat meaningful results. Obviously not everyone’s gonna like this, so im open to suggestions/changes/criticisms and ideas, so speak your minds. Using your suggestions I will write a final revised post on what im gonna do/not do, and I will start sometime next week. Cheers, Jon ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/2 "2007-05-31T19:37:47Z")
> [@jimbo5](#): > > Alright, I’ve got the following pheros: IS, Instant Female Magic, Instant Honesty, ammo, p74, Turn Up The Heat, Instant Openness and A314. Ive been experimenting for the last 3 weeks and have gotten very little results. Ive had 2 hits that couldve been attributed to pheros - but other than that ive gotten very little. Instant shine works a little but doesnt last more than a couple minutes for me, A314 I can feel a slight difference but it may just be placebo. I tried yesterday to OD with 7 sprays of openess. Nothing… Then i went to the bar with 2 more sprays of openess, 1 p74, 1 ammo and A314. Nothing. Today I tried 6 sprays of insant honesty- nothing. Ive been experimenting with both gaming chicks and just acting alpha and not saying much and been spraying the pheros on my wrists, neck and chest. Anyways long story short Im not getting much for the 250$ ive dropped on these. > > I used to use an opener when i first bought pherlure. I would spray my normal cologne aqua di gio on one wrist, and pherlure on the other. Id ask them which one they preferred. It worked quite well. I am going to do a head to head test of ammo and pherlure like this. > > I want to make sure this is as legit as possible so I plan to do the following: > > Test at least 20 women in both day situations, then at clubs. > > I am putting the rest of my pherlure in an unused togo bottle so sprays will be the same. > > I will take a 3 day break following this post with no pheremones whatsoever. > > Essentially im gonna ask them straight up which wrist they like better. > > I want this experiment to be a good one so if you guys have any suggestions/criticisms or anything fire away. I will start sometime next week. > > Thanks By doing this test, the only conclusion you can reach is which cologne scent they prefer on you. It says nothing about the pheromones. Now, if the conversation progresses further, i.e. they spend more time in your vicinity while getting a good dose of pheromones, you will still not know which [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) is working since you have both Ammo and Pherlure on you and it could be a combined effect or one instead of other. Straight -none is downright repulsive to most women even during ovulation, but that doesn’t mean they don’t respond to it. A1 (in IFM) has a repulsive odor to it but women still have a mood-lifting, calming response. Even straight -nol has a BO like odor. I suggest you to have more patience! 3 weeks might seem long to you but I am guessing you are new to pheromones altogether (correct me if I am wrong). Some of us spent many weeks with just one product (no mixing)trying to grasp what it does and many months overall getting a good feel of how to use pheromones in general. Quit mixing! Use one product at a time for one-two weeks and note down effects/no-effects at different doses. ---
**Author:** ![jimbo5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e7dd6/32.png) [@jimbo5](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimbo5)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/3 "2007-05-31T19:48:14Z")
ahah very good point, I may have to do different days with different scents, this may be harder than i thought. I would think smelling my wrists directly would be fairly clear though as far as pheremones interfering. ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 8:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/4 "2007-06-01T08:30:46Z")
Or, try two actual colognes on either wrist, and then put the phero you want to test on your neck/chest region. ---
**Author:** ![Flipcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@Flipcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flipcat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/5 "2007-06-01T12:19:09Z")
Testing Pherlure, which many trusted sources have shown to be a proven scam, only tests your suggestibility to lies and the placebo effect. It’s something like a third of people who respond to placebo in medical studies. If you really want to do a little study on your own, you should keep it “blind” so you’re not suspectible to the placebo effect as much. So you don’t know what you’re testing, it might be better to ask for an unmarked set of testers, all with the same fragrance. And get one with just fragrance only, no [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). That’s a good way to set up a real test. ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/6 "2007-06-01T15:26:06Z")
> [@jimbo5](#): > > Alright, I’ve got the following pheros: IS, Instant Female Magic, Instant Honesty, ammo, p74, Turn Up The Heat, Instant Openness and A314. Ive been experimenting for the last 3 weeks and have gotten very little results. Ive had 2 hits that couldve been attributed to pheros - but other than that ive gotten very little. Instant shine works a little but doesnt last more than a couple minutes for me, A314 I can feel a slight difference but it may just be placebo. I tried yesterday to OD with 7 sprays of openess. Nothing… Then i went to the bar with 2 more sprays of openess, 1 p74, 1 ammo and A314. Nothing. Today I tried 6 sprays of insant honesty- nothing. Ive been experimenting with both gaming chicks as well as just acting alpha and not saying much. and been spraying the pheros on my wrists, neck and chest. Anyways long story short Im not getting much for the 250$ ive dropped on these. > > I used to use an opener when i first bought pherlure. I would spray my normal cologne aqua di gio on one wrist, and pherlure on the other. I’d ask them which one they preferred. It worked quite well. I am going to do a head to head test of ammo and pherlure like this. > > I want to make sure this is as legit as possible so I plan to do the following: > > Test at least 20 women in both day situations, then at clubs. > > I am putting the rest of my pherlure in an unused togo bottle so sprays will be the same. > > I will take a 3 day break following this post with no pheremones whatsoever. (this will also help me see if my behaviour has changed since being off the smartmones pheros) > > I will use one spray on each wrist, using the same wrist everyday. > > I will write down both their preferred “cologne” and as well as any comments, or behaviour changes > > Essentially im gonna ask them straight up which wrist they like better. > > Pherlure smells really good regardless of pheremones, so I beleive this will really test the effectiveness of the pheremones in ammo. I realize this is just on MY body, which hasn’t been too lucky with pheremones so far, so the results wont be for everybody. > > However, I want this experiment to be as controlled as possible, and have somewhat meaningful results. Obviously not everyone’s gonna like this, so im open to suggestions/changes/criticisms and ideas, so speak your minds. Using your suggestions I will write a final revised post on what im gonna do/not do, and I will start sometime next week. > > Cheers, > > Jon Im curious as to what dose of A314 or none-based products like Ammo/Turn Up The Heat you use, it seems like alot of people are afraid of varying the dose alot in fear of overdosing or getting a bad response. I think its really impossible to say a phero works if your only testing it at one dose. One person may use one drop of A314 and command great respect, while another might need to bathe in 5 or 10 to start noticing. 1 spray of [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and 1 drop of A314 doesnt seem like alot to get girls jumping on you and making hits, and if your body chemistry is such that alot of pheromones arent generated naturally it might not even have a noticable effect beyond some subtle body language cues. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 9:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/7 "2007-06-07T21:56:00Z")
First, what I can tell you about Pherlure is that they have been running a 50% off sale every day for at least a month, saying every day is the last day to purchase the product for 50% off (A Summer Special!) which is actually not 50% off–it’s only 50% off if you buy 2 and get a third bottle free. All of that is just plain ol disingenuous and smacks of scam. Second, the site tells you that you need only two sprays and that more sprays will not increase it’s effectiveness. From everything I know about pheros now, that just doesn’t make sense. More sprays should increase it’s effectiveness for some people of make you OD depending on your natural phero production level. If it smells good to you, use it to cover something like the pissy smell of IFM. ---
**Author:** ![tye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@tye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tye)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/8 "2007-06-07T22:47:42Z")
hey man you got some good pheros if you don’t like them i’d like to buy them [at a discount of course] sell them on e bay ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-pherlure-test-experiment/3925/9 "2007-06-27T01:57:25Z")
Some products just don’t seem to work for some people. Many variables. For example I’m pretty sure I’ve gotten reactions when wearing all-in-one products like Alter Ego, Chikara, and Ammunition, but got zip when I tried Perception (both the “Gold” spray and “Platinum” gel-packs). And it takes time. Lots of time. And I have a hunch both biological and emotional cycles as well as just palin how well the day has gone for either you or your “targets” can play a role in the reactions/results you get. I’ve been working on this for a few years now and am still experimenting.