# Ammunition - bring a gun. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 13, 2008, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274 "2008-01-13T07:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lemmerdeur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@lemmerdeur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lemmerdeur)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/1 "2008-01-13T07:51:32Z")
Holy crap. While the ladies in the bar reacted quite well to my 3.5 sprays of Ammunition - I’m testing -none by itself at the moment - the response of the men was ridiculous. First, at dinner with a good friend and his wife, he got somewhat cranky and belligerent with our waiter for a minor mistake, and then spent the whole dinner trying to convince me that his behavior was acceptable. Then I met up with a some other friends at a bar. My close friend and I left to go somewhere else, and the cab he jumped into was going off duty. He insisted that the driver take us, and wouldn’t leave the cab. Meanwhile, I spent the evening calm, collected and slightly aloof to all this peasant behavior. In fact, I decided to walk away from that cab, turned off my phone, and enjoyed the nice weather as I walked home. Coincidence? Perhaps. We’ll find out when I try going out -none’d up next time, in the sequel to tonight’s production of “Lemmerdeur Plays His Violin As New York City Burns”. Seriously, WTF. I do hope it’s the -none, because it is severely entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![lemmerdeur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@lemmerdeur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lemmerdeur)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/2 "2008-01-13T07:53:24Z")
I’m also quickly coming to the conclusion that Ammunition will need [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to put a smile on my face, because too calm leaves me a bit somber, and Instant Shine makes me mildly giddy and very friendly (and this effect is undoubtedly the mones, the effect on me is immediate and pronounced). ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 9:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/3 "2008-01-13T09:00:07Z")
Ammo does have IS’s main [pheromone](https://a314.com/) as a component, TAA. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 9:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/4 "2008-01-13T09:06:27Z")
I asked about that Gegogi and it dosnt only the 1.5 which is a special order has it from what I understand. I thought it had it in there as well until SteveO corrected me. The regular has 3 mones one being anone and the other social buffers The 1.5 which was special order has 4 mones, the forth being TAA. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Patratt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/patratt/32/971_2.png) [@Patratt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Patratt)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 9:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/5 "2008-01-13T09:14:04Z")
Hmmm…very interesting. So there is already a Ammo/[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) kinda mix goin’ on. That is the 1.5 bottle of Ammo? Is that made clear on the Androtics website? That sounds like it might be a big seller if people knew that was the case. Thanks 4 clearin’ that up Tisha. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 9:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/6 "2008-01-13T09:22:53Z")
Ok this is what I understand from what they told me. But I am going to double check because long time ago MHarris made this statement in regards to [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). Which is why I assumed it had TAA in it. **BY MHarris in 2006** > [@](#): > > The latest shipping version, 1.5, has 4 pheromones: -none, -Androsterone, -Androstenol and [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/), along with a scent package from the world’s #1 parfum technology house. When I was discussing the store pages and suggested that the ammo page needs to be updated I was told that it only has 3 mones and that 1.5 has 4 which like Instant sexiness B is special order but not in the store section. So before anyone makes any final decisions about this lets get a confirm on which one is the default at this time because to tell you the truth I am confused by this as well. I dont want to miss inform anyone. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 9:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/7 "2008-01-13T09:33:08Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I asked about that Gegogi and it dosnt only the 1.5 which is a special order has it from what I understand. > I thought it had it in there as well until SteveO corrected me. > The regular has 3 pheromones one being Androstenone and the other social buffers > The 1.5 which was special order has 4 pheromones, the forth being TAA. Tisha Tish, i think the default is AMMO1.5…when i ordered it for Wolf, in Nov., i specified AMMO1.0 and it was special order. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 9:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/8 "2008-01-13T09:46:21Z")
It what I thought as well Belle because of what MHarris said but then the fixing the main page thing came up. It would help if they would put a sticker on the bottle. They dont do that with [Instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A or B either and its drives me crazy. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 10:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/9 "2008-01-13T10:06:55Z")
I am going to ask Jasmin to pop by next time she is in here and give some input on the subject. Actually I have a few posts I need a little input on LOL. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 11:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/10 "2008-01-13T11:03:43Z")
Yes the 1.0 version is stronger ammunition, while the 1.5 is a bit more sociable thanks to the TAA within it. With the 1.0 you can notice hits a bit more easily… the ladies smiling and grinning at you… 😃😃😃😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 11:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/11 "2008-01-13T11:38:45Z")
Hi lem! 🙂 if you don’t mind answering a few questions? you used 3.5 sprays, where did you apply? what’s the age and race of the women who responded so well to the AMMO? what’s the age and race of your friend, who had the aggressive reaction, and his wife? how did SHE react to you, her husband and to what was going on in the resturant? how did your friends (sex, age, race) at the other bar react to you? all of this comes into consideration in the choice, application and gauging the effects and reactions… from you and others… when using [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). and yes, AMMO can use some INSTANT SHINE, especially if you’re feeling too somber and aloof…it also may have helped with how you were percieved by your friend. as for your friend…he’s not used to this high -none signature coming from you …seems, to me, he’s feeling off kilter and maybe a bit threatened by you. i must say, putting out a threatening or too alpha vibe can start up some pretty nasty stuff…especially around other alpha males. even if it doesn’t effect YOU that way…what it did to your friend could get him, you or both of you into trouble…cranky and belligerent can quickly escalate. hope you’re in good shape or you may need that gun…cause if some guy, who’s not your friend, has that reaction one night…you could get your a$$ kicked. 😮 not over using -none and adding friendly pheromones should round things out for you. unless, of course, you’re looking for trouble. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![attractor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@attractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/attractor)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/12 "2008-01-13T14:30:46Z")
None is very unpredictable and can make people very aggressive unless very well buffered. PheroProof does the best job buffering large none amounts I’ve ever seen. People were very friendly at 25 mcg doses! Since PheroProof is no longer available, I’m hoping TAC can do as good a job (as recommend by Steveo) of buffering none. I’ve tried both Ammunition 1.0 and 1.5. Ammunition 1.5 (now a special order) has TAA and is not aggressive at all. I tried 8 sprays of 1.5 with no aggressiveness! With Ammo 1.5 you don’t know you have none on at all unless you get extremely close to people (less diffusive or something) and the TAA helps. If am much more careful with Ammo 1.0 that I have now. I wore some before going out to lunch one day and two teenage girls were ready to kill one another. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/13 "2008-01-13T14:43:58Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve tried both Ammunition 1.0 and 1.5. Ammunition 1.5 (now a special order) has TAA and is not aggressive at all. OK so let me get this clear. You had to special order the 1.5 right? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/14 "2008-01-13T14:51:05Z")
I’ve ordered Ammo twice and I got V1.0 by default both times. So V1.5 has to be the special order version! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/15 "2008-01-13T15:13:40Z")
Thank you Bob, so I am not crazy then LOL. (((((BOB))))) Tisha ---
**Author:** ![attractor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@attractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/attractor)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/16 "2008-01-13T17:42:14Z")
A little over a year ago Ammo 1.5 is the default. Jasmin says they changed the default back to 1.0 as guys liked it better (more obvious hits). She said women preferred the Ammo 1.5. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/17 "2008-01-13T17:58:35Z")
Ahh Look hugs for you to ((((Attractor))))) Lem by all means carry on with your report here, we enjoy reading them 😉 reps to you for inadvertently helping us discover this ---
**Author:** ![lemmerdeur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@lemmerdeur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lemmerdeur)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/18 "2008-01-13T19:00:42Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Hi lem! 🙂 > > if you don’t mind answering a few questions? > > you used 3.5 sprays, where did you apply? > what’s the age and race of the women who responded so well to the AMMO? > what’s the age and race of your friend, who had the aggressive reaction, and his wife? > how did SHE react to you, her husband and to what was going on in the resturant? > how did your friends (sex, age, race) at the other bar react to you? Actually, the funny thing was, nobody was aggressive towards me. They were aggressive towards other males around us. I was like the mad scientist spraying the monleys and watching them throw poop at each other. As for the 1.0 and 1.5 versions, I prefer to use the 1.0 myself and learn the optimal buffer using other products. 1 spray on the neck, 0.5 sprays on the chest, 1 spray on each wrist. Positive responses to me were: late-20s African-American early 20s white (and quite the stunner, I might add) - I NEVER get attention from younger women. I also had a couple of early 20s women come up and stand really really close to me on the sidewalk. I’m not counting a few more from the bar, as this was tightly packed to begin with. The two friends who got aggressive: one is a mid-30s white, the other mid-30s Hispanic. The wife in the first incident sided with me against her husband. I am NOT responsible for any aftereffects (disclaimer). My other freinds were sitting behind a table a few feet away the whole time, so they didn’t really get close enough to respond. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/19 "2008-01-13T20:45:58Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Tish, i think the default is AMMO1.5…when i ordered it for Wolf, in Nov., i specified AMMO1.0 and it was special order. > [@bubblebob](#): > > I’ve ordered Ammo twice and I got V1.0 by default both times. So V1.5 has to be the special order version! > [@tisha23](#): > > Thank you Bob, so I am not crazy then LOL(((((BOB))))) Tisha Sorry about the misinformation, Tisha. 🙄 Sometimes it’s confusing even to those who ‘should know better’! I always say, "Jus cause I ain’t stoopid, don’t mean I ain’t crazy! lol 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274/20 "2008-01-13T22:31:10Z")
Hey no problem Bella, I felt the same way and didnt want to give the wrong info. I did call today and 1.0 is the default. 1.5 is no longer available. Its easier and just as cost effective to get shine to use with it. Lem, Its great that they were not aggressive towards you. Maybe it was because they knew you though. I have read that using shine with it ups the sexuality of the vibe and softens the aggressiveness of the males exposed to it. Let us know how it go’s Tisha [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammunition-bring-a-gun/8274.md?page=2)