# An Evening With "The Mad Tater" **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 12, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278 "2011-05-12T05:14:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/1 "2011-05-12T05:14:42Z")
As I mentioned over in Tater’s Journal: > [@dbot](#): > > In honor of Tater I am composting a test sprayer which I have labeled “The Mad Tater”, and which contains (per spray): > > - 100mcg EST > - 100mcg Beta Androstenol > - 50mcg Alpha Androstenol > - 50mcg Androstadienone > - 12mcg Androsterone > - 12mcg Androstenone The remainder of the sprayer was filled up with Le Nuit De L’Homme – one of my favorites. Well, this mix composted for a good month before I finally got a chance to take it for a spin at 1 spray. And let me tell you, this is a mix that transforms your way of thinking. The self-effects include a profound, almost MDMA-like sense of empathy and childlike wonder. I’m sure my eyes were big and round. I went to a poetry reading where I didn’t know a single person. I sat in the back row, and just lightly chatted up whoever happened to be around. By the end of this thing I’d been invited to meet a bunch of people for drinks at a nearby bar. I was lagging a bit behind the group, and the girl who had invited me had actually stopped the whole group on the sidewalk to wait for me (without being sure whether I was actually coming) when they decided to find another bar that would be less crowded. I seemed to be more familiar with the neighborhood than most of them, so I suggested a bar a couple blocks over and we all walked there. I ended up with the odd feeling like I was really clicking with damn near every person I talked to 😃 I ended up closing that place out with a couple of girls who wanted to friend me on facebook and make plans to meet up at various events. I was clear the whole night that I was in a LTR and not on the prowl, but at the end of the night as we walked toward our respective homes together, I sensed some serious mixed feelings from the girl who had adopted me into the group. I think she was a little mad at me for not trying to come home with her. Oh well 🙂 **Conclusion** : I could’ve done an extra spray 😉 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/2 "2011-05-12T05:36:00Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > As I mentioned over in Tater’s Journal: > > The remainder of the sprayer was filled up with Le Nuit De L’Homme – one of my favorites. > > Well, this mix composted for a good month before I finally got a chance to take it for a spin at 1 spray. And let me tell you, this is a mix that transforms your way of thinking. The self-effects include a profound, almost MDMA-like sense of empathy and childlike wonder. I’m sure my eyes were big and round. > > I went to a poetry reading where I didn’t know a single person. I sat in the back row, and just lightly chatted up whoever happened to be around. By the end of this thing I’d been invited to meet a bunch of people for drinks at a nearby bar. I was lagging a bit behind the group, and the girl who had invited me had actually stopped the whole group on the sidewalk to wait for me (without being sure whether I was actually coming) when they decided to find another bar that would be less crowded. > > I seemed to be more familiar with the neighborhood than most of them, so I suggested a bar a couple blocks over and we all walked there. I ended up with the odd feeling like I was really clicking with damn near every person I talked to 😃 > > I ended up closing that place out with a couple of girls who wanted to friend me on facebook and make plans to meet up at various events. I was clear the whole night that I was in a LTR and not on the prowl, but at the end of the night as we walked toward our respective homes together, I sensed some serious mixed feelings from the girl who had adopted me into the group. I think she was a little mad at me for not trying to come home with her. Oh well 🙂 > > **Conclusion** : I could’ve done an extra spray 😉 OMG from my calcs (very rough) that’s 600mcg of est, bnol per 1ml 300mcg of anol, a1 per 1ml 60mcg of erone, none per 1ml did you get the est and a1 from LS? if so how did you get the strength that high? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/3 "2011-05-12T05:59:40Z")
The A1 is from LS and the EST & betanol are both from Alpha Dream - all at 1mg/mL. I only made 2.5mL of this mix, so each drop of 1mg/mL solution adds 2.5mcg/spray. So I added 40 drops each of betanol and EST, and 20 drops each of alphanol and A1. There really wasn’t much cologne in there; it was mostly mone concentrates. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/4 "2011-05-12T15:59:14Z")
Let me clarify my conclusion a bit by saying: This is the type of mix that could get you laid by a whole _group_ of girls you’ve never met before. It could also probably benefit from some MEO-EST, P86, P79, [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)… ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/5 "2011-05-12T17:21:53Z")
So, Basically this is a Three Indredient Mix at this Time… A1 = Androstadienone (I Know that One)… EST = Androstadienone (Looked it Up)… Betanol = Beta Androstenol (Suprised I knew that One)… Was Cologne Part of the Mix or Just Used as a Cover?!? I Ask as that would Alter the Amount of [Pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) Per Spray… So Prices for 10ml is Between $30-$40 Each… So for Around $100 you’d Have Enough for Some Tinkering… I Already have some P83 just Gathering Dust… I MIght have to Play Mad Chemist sometime next Month… Until then I’ll Keep Reading on and Taking Notes… ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/6 "2011-05-12T17:27:33Z")
> [@Pandakun](#): > > So, Basically this is a Three Indredient Mix at this Time… > A1 = Androstadienone (I Know that One)… > EST = Androstadienone (Looked it Up)… > Betanol = Beta Androstenol (Suprised I knew that One)… > > Was Cologne Part of the Mix or Just Used as a Cover?!? I Ask as that would Alter the Amount of Pheromone Per Spray… > > So Prices for 10ml is Between $30-$40 Each… So for Around $100 you’d Have Enough for Some Tinkering… I Already have some P83 just Gathering Dust… I MIght have to Play Mad Chemist sometime next Month… Until then I’ll Keep Reading on and Taking Notes… Hmm… not sure I fully understand your response, but to clarify – it’s a 6-ingredient mix (7 if you count the cologne) which were all mixed together into a togo sprayer. In the end the sprayer was half-full, for a total of 2.5mL which will give about 20 sprays. The cologne was used as the diluent to bring the pheromone concentrations in the mix down to those listed. LOL the forum keeps expanding and contracting my abbreviations, so let me see if I can disambiguate… - 100mcg Estratetraenol (e-s-t) - 100mcg Beta Androstenol (beta-n-o-l) - 50mcg Alpha Androstenol (alpha-n-o-l) - 50mcg Androstadienone (a-1) - 12mcg Androsterone (r-o-n-e) - 12mcg Androstenone (e-n-o-n-e) ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/7 "2011-05-12T17:30:56Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Hmm… not sure I fully understand your response, but to clarify – it’s a 6-ingredient mix (7 if you count the cologne) which were all mixed together into a togo sprayer. In the end the sprayer was half-full, for a total of 2.5mL which will give about 20 sprays. > > - 100mcg Estratetraenol (est) > - 100mcg Beta Androstenol (betanol) > - 50mcg Alpha Androstenol (alphanol) > - 50mcg Androstadienone (a1) > - 12mcg Androsterone (rone) > - 12mcg Androstenone (enone) I Killed the Post Just After I Hit Save Because I Notices the Error I Made… Thank you for Relisting the Ingredients… ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/8 "2011-05-13T05:22:25Z")
Hmm, I Knocked it Down to Percentages to What it Looked Like… I Took Anything After the Decimal to be Cologne as a Guess… This is What I Ended up with for a 5ml Bottle (20 Drops = 1ml)… Should be Reasonably Close… At 4% Cologne it would be a Mild Cover at Best… This is All Just Guess Work on My Part for Fun… I’m Tired so it Could Witches Brew for All I Know… I’m an Engineer not a Chemist… - 30 Drops Estratetraenol ( est ) - 30 Drops Beta Androstenol (betanol) - 15 Drops Alpha Androstenol (alphanol) - 15 Drops Androstadienone ( a1 ) - 3 Drops Androsterone (Androsterone) - 3 Drops Androstenone (enone) - 4 Drops cologne ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/9 "2011-05-13T05:40:32Z")
As nothing in this post is from our stock I can’t be certain… But either the math is wrong or somebody gave you bad information. That’s an extremely high concentration. High concentrations of certain chemicals should be handled with care. Especially EST and A1. I hope you know where that stuff came from at such a high concentration. Or it could be my math - it is pretty late. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/10 "2011-05-13T06:44:04Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Let me clarify my conclusion a bit by saying: > This is the type of mix that could get you laid by a whole _group_ of girls you’ve never met before. > > It could also probably benefit from some MEO-EST, P86, P79, P83… DBOT DID IT !!! haha… i´ve been reading MadTaters Journal up and down and tryed to replicate the mix as well ! Tater added in his original formula some TAC and some TAL as far as i´ve seen does TAL not really improve the mix but P86 does ! Tater says as well that MEO-EST shifts the mix from attracted to desperately horny ! [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) works into the mix as well ! In his original mix Tater used IH or CTTM as a nol-source ! And IFM as a source for A1… He said that the mix becomes even better the higher he goes with the EST ! ROCK IT ! Pago ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 6:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/11 "2011-05-13T06:55:24Z")
LMAO! Pago you rock! And man, wait’ll you hear about the mix I wore tonight… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 7:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/12 "2011-05-13T07:15:41Z")
Im not trying to discourage you dbot, but such large dosages of things like EST should be used with care: [Estratetraenol from LS is the same as MEO-EST?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/estratetraenol-from-ls-is-the-same-as-meo-est/45166/6) Trailblazing and mad-scientist experimentation is what we are all here for. Go for it. Just know that with high concentrations of chemicals (that you honestly don’t know the prime origin of) you should be aware there is a level where it can become dodgy. We don’t even handle fragrance concentrates without masks, none-the-less the high concentrations of molecules we deal with every day in the lab. Again, not trying to be discouraging - I just care, from one colleague to another. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/13 "2011-05-13T20:13:22Z")
Yeah, here’s a pretty good old thread on the problems with Est & A1: [Yo, Scientifical People - Love-Scent.com Forums](http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6554) Personally, I’ve gotten nothing but positive self-effects from both molecules, used alone, in combination, and in mixes. They’re good stuff. Regarding a potential for carcinogenic metabolites of MEO-EST… yeah, that may be a risk, to whatever extent the substance is being absorbed through the skin rather than dispersed. MEO-EST is quite a bit different than EST, though, and EST (estratetraenol) is not an equilin derivative (equilin is estratestraenone.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/14 "2011-05-13T21:07:34Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Yeah, here’s a pretty good old thread on the problems with Est & A1: [Yo, Scientifical People - Love-Scent.com Forums](http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6554) > > Personally, I’ve gotten nothing but positive self-effects from both molecules, used alone, in combination, and in mixes. They’re good stuff. > > Regarding a potential for carcinogenic metabolites of MEO-EST… yeah, that may be a risk, to whatever extent the substance is being absorbed through the skin rather than dispersed. MEO-EST is quite a bit different than EST, though, and EST (estratetraenol) is not an equilin derivative (equilin is estratestraenone.) Make sure you check and ask them the origin. You’re dealing with huge doses, that’s the only reason why I said to be careful. Looking forward to seeing more from you though. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/15 "2011-05-17T20:16:59Z")
Dbot .. how do you see the role of Rone in the mix … can´t remember Tater using it in his formula but sounds like a good addition ! Pago ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/16 "2011-05-17T20:45:52Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > Dbot .. how do you see the role of Rone in the mix … > > can´t remember Tater using it in his formula but sounds like a good addition ! > > Pago This is a great question! I’ve found that Est often has an effect of making people see you as kind of helpless and in need of protection. I added some rone in an attempt to counter this effect without interfering too much with the likability, comfort, and bonding effects of Est. I have a kind of mixed relationship with androsterone these days, because it does seem to enhance respect but at the expense of social connectibility. It seems to repel people from me more than I like, unless really carefully counterbalanced. In this formula I think it worked fairly well, although now that you have me thinking about it, I wonder if I would’ve seen better results without the Rone; maybe even with a little extra Enone instead. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 11:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/17 "2011-05-18T11:11:57Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > This is a great question! > > I’ve found that Est often has an effect of making people see you as kind of helpless and in need of protection. I added some rone in an attempt to counter this effect without interfering too much with the likability, comfort, and bonding effects of Est. > > I have a kind of mixed relationship with androsterone these days, because it does seem to enhance respect but at the expense of social connectibility. It seems to repel people from me more than I like, unless really carefully counterbalanced. > > In this formula I think it worked fairly well, although now that you have me thinking about it, I wonder if I would’ve seen better results without the Rone; maybe even with a little extra Enone instead. Tater says also this: _“Tater buffered a heavy mix of .40 ml MX178 with [EST](https://phera.com/) and androstadienone and seemed to get all the benefits of [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) without getting beaten to a pulp. **It may be possible to sink an insane amount of a phero into a buffering agent and get the best of both worlds.** I intend to do the same with **MX101** to see if i can cancel out what seems to be an androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) overdose when i use it.”_ So it must be no problem with none. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/18 "2011-05-18T15:57:09Z")
Nice reference! Tater’s a smart dude. Pretty soon I want to try some straight Est:Enone mixes at 1:1, 2:1, 3:1, etc. and see how well these two play together on their own. I bet pretty well. For that matter, how about Est+Anone?? ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/19 "2011-05-20T00:00:31Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Nice reference! Tater’s a smart dude. > > Pretty soon I want to try some straight Est:Enone mixes at 1:1, 2:1, 3:1, etc. and see how well these two play together on their own. I bet pretty well. > > For that matter, how about Est+Anone?? Can´t say yet how Est + ANDROSTaNONE play together but it seems that this combo works … As for Est + None this works .. tested it yesterday … nols don´t seem to be the attraction factor in the mix .. Pago ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278/20 "2011-05-20T00:05:02Z")
Nice work, Pago! What ratio and dosage did you test Est and enone at? Is a report forthcoming? 😉 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-evening-with-the-mad-tater/50278.md?page=2)