# An issue regarding Quality and Quantity **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 23, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-issue-regarding-quality-and-quantity/36491 "2010-02-23T23:12:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-issue-regarding-quality-and-quantity/36491/1 "2010-02-23T23:12:43Z")
I’ve copied this from my journal because I feel Olfact Amorous’ original post was to good to miss and will receive more attention here in the main forum than in the journal section. Hopefully this thread can stimulate some equally insightful replies as Olfact’s original observation. > [@](#): > > For better or worse I find that some mixes make me moderately alluring to all girls in the vicinity and other mixes just give me blatant hits from a couple. I myself prefer a subtle attraction from a larger majority of the females than those blatant hits because > to overwhelm a girl with arousal seriously doesn’t make it easier to get with her > and lots of times scares her too. DIHL 's are fun but I learned theres a lot more to mones than that. wow, the best piece of writing I’ve seen on [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) in a long, long time. I’ve experienced both of these scenarios _so_ many times, I’ve just not been able to conceptualise it so well. It helps to explain the unpredictability I experience from a mix like MX292, yet the consistency I get from a mix like Ammo. From my experience it does seem that the stronger the reaction, the less broadly appealing the mix is you’re wearing. My style of pheromone use has certainly evolved to reflect this. A year back I used to gauge pheromone effects by the extremity and abnormality of reactions. I now don’t want freakishly, Hollywood-over-the-top, abnormal reactions. Helpful as they where at first to start a catalyst of self belief and provide the evidence of what I and pheromones can achieve, I found I would much rather wear the less overly-arousing mixes and appeal to a much larger portion of females. I just had to keep my eyes peeled a little more as a trade of. Naturally, the mixes which don’t overwhelm produce more subtle, natural effects from people. Rather than have the odd girl (there’s typically 1-4 girls per night club responsive at that particular moment in time to high-anone mixes like MX292) literally become very sexually aggressive and forward with me, I would find subtle signs people where feeling my mix like some nice eye contact and a smile, some proximity, some people will even show no obvious signs that the pheromones are effecting them what-so-ever, yet I am often left with a gut feeling. I’m not under the placebo effect when I get a hunch, rather I believe my subconscious is picking up on cues I’m consciously missing. Anyone else get this? I’d really like other peoples opinion on ‘hunch-hits’. I’ve never been a huge drinker, but when I went out on the weekend I would drink a bit and get tipsy. Recently I’ve been going out sober and what a difference just a few drinks has on your ability to miss so many signs. EDIT: and by the way, I still love MX292 and the like, those mixes certainly do have a place in anyone’s collection. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-issue-regarding-quality-and-quantity/36491/2 "2010-02-23T23:24:01Z")
Absolutely agree. I have definitely slowly been changing my mixes towards that way too without even realizing it. I remember getting my first couple of completely blatant hits, but only from one or two people at a party. But doesn’t it make sense to be attractive to a large number rather than the minority? If your attractive to everyone, it makes getting closer to your target that much easier than attracting one or two and scaring the hell out of everyone else. Very good points brought up by the both of you. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 5:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-issue-regarding-quality-and-quantity/36491/3 "2010-02-24T05:45:38Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > From my experience it does seem that the stronger the reaction, the less broadly appealing the mix is you’re wearing. Yeah, I’ve experienced the same thing. I’ve been experimenting with [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) mixes that bring me to borderline overdose levels of Androstenone and I do get DIHL and strong reactions from a few women. But the mixes don’t seem appeal to most of the women in the bars/clubs. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-issue-regarding-quality-and-quantity/36491/4 "2010-02-24T06:01:47Z")
Extremes are like fetishes, most women like a fit athletic build on a man yet only a few “muscle groupies” go for the extreme side show freak look of the pro bodybuilding ranks, most prefer a build like a gymnast of olympic swimmer. It’s only logical/natural. Extremes of physiology communicated either by sight or by smell are usually indicative of unstable genes. Studies have shown the most attractive faces in terms of broad appeal are those that are actually “average” ones where no features are overly prominent or pronounced. I’m sure that pheromone signals are likewise interpreted in that manner. Overdosing on A314 would no doubt drive a small number of women that obsess over men of power up the wall but might scare most others. A314+Ammo oth sends a strong dominant message balanced by approachability and healthy sexuality for a more balanced “average” message. Not that its says you’re average, but you’re not so extreme on any one category to be considered freakish. The more well rounded message also communicates adaptability and health imo as overspecialization is usually to the detriment of a species. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-issue-regarding-quality-and-quantity/36491/5 "2010-02-24T06:19:18Z")
Yes, definitely Olfact is on a road to great pheromone success. Kudos to him! He definitely has a good understanding on how to use pheromones for being a newer user. ---
**Author:** ![stevios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@stevios](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stevios)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 7:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-issue-regarding-quality-and-quantity/36491/6 "2010-02-24T07:28:50Z")
I feel it’s almost like a learning curve - the massive DIHL hits are the reassurance it works, then I start to prefer the more subtle, and ultimately more effective hits from either lower doses or more subtle combos. It has made me realise I do this with every new product. I’m using Ammo for the first time at the moment and I’m looking for the BIG hits when I should be concentrating on the subtle effects…this post could change my pheromone use when I get a new product…or do you need to see the big hits first to understand the more subtle effects a pheromone has? Something for me to think about. I’m in total agreement that a mix that gives big hits can exclude more people than it includes though and that for most purposes I prefer a generally wide net rather than a randomly targetted smart bomb (if that’s not too much of an oxymoron!) ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 7:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-issue-regarding-quality-and-quantity/36491/7 "2010-02-24T07:54:10Z")
Interesting observations (and excellent post!)! Though with me, as a female, with most of the available products here for women (which is not as extensive a selection as those for men), I have for the most part experienced the heightened interest and attention from many, as opposed to the DIHL from just a few. There is one product for women, though from a different source, that consistently produces DIHL reactions from almost every guy I encounter. Its nice, but a little scary, and as a result, I have not used that product very often, despite the consistent, very blatant effects. As they say, a nice place to visit, but not a place to live.