# An Older Gay Male Perspective **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [September 15, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949 "2015-09-15T15:45:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/1 "2015-09-15T15:45:58Z")
I’ve been using pheromones for the past several weeks, and it’s time for my first journal entry. A little background about myself? I’m a middle aged gay man. Came out when I was 17. I tend to be on the masculine end of the spectrum; so many times people don’t realize I’m gay. (I’ve disappointed many women over the years.) I’m also SE Asian descent. Between working out regularly, sporting a Mohawk, and having a darker complexion, I have a fairly badass exterior, which can catch people off guard. But really, I’m a poet at heart. I’m also in a rock-solid relationship of 18 years. The Man is 52, and we got married in 2014, so that was a 17-year test drive. We have an open/poly relationship, and we’re extremely transparent with each other about our activities. No secrets. I’m also self-employed and work from home in the country. That means I don’t have much social interaction during the day. On some days, The Man might be the only human I speak to. So my interest in pheromones is mostly for self-effects and speed up the courting process when I meet a guy for potential dating. **MY FIRST EXPERIENCE** Prior to finding Androtics, I used an oil-based product (G-3) that contains androstenone (10 mcg/drop), androsterone (5 mcg/drop), androstenol (5 mcg/drop), and androstadienone (5 mcg/drop). It’s supposedly formulated for gay men to attract other gay men. It seems to be a similar formulation as other “alpha” products out there - high proportion of -enone. In fact, the product has a similar scent to TUTH. (I received just a week ago. I’ll write more about it later.) Not sure what makes G-3 suitable for gay men versus straight men. What works for straight men to attract women should work for gay men to attract other gay men. But, it seems to works well. The Man used it at work a few times (1 drop to his neck) and noticed that a few younger male customers were rather flirtatious with him and he had higher sales than normal. Since he’s 52, he didn’t mind the extra attention from younger guys in their 20s. The first time I used it, however, I OD. I used three drops of it and went to my poly support group. About 80% of the folks there that evening were first-timers, and I literally ghosted. I usually introduce myself to first-timers, and one guy was really reluctant to shake my hand or give me eye contact. Another guy shook my hand, smiled, and turned his back to me. Seriously, guys that evening didn’t want to talk to me. They even blocked me from speaking to the women in the group. The people I knew at the group treated me as usual. I guess they were able to get past the different scent and treat me as like they always did. The new folks gave me an entirely different reaction. Of course, since I was in an -enone cloud, I didn’t care what people thought. I figured it was their loss that they didn’t want to talk to me. Assholes. **TWO WEEKS LATER** Here’s where it gets interesting. At the next meeting, two weeks later, I decided to wear **one spray of Ammo (2x)** to my neck and **two sprays of IO** to my forearms. They had just arrived the day before, so I figured this would be a good test. A few of the new folks from the previous meeting were there. One guy said, “Hey, did you just get that Mohawk? It looks good on you.” This was the guy that shook my hand and turned his back on me! Another woman said, “Is this your first time here?” No, I’ve been attending regularly for the past 9 months! She obviously didn’t recognize me from 2 weeks before, even with my Mohawk. It’s really hard to miss. Later that evening, she and I had an incredible conversation about our trials with poly relationships. We had such similar experiences we couldn’t stop laughing. It was like we had already known each other rather than meeting for the first time. So in the future, I’ll avoid strong -enone products. The poly meeting can be intimidating to first-timers. It’s really a support group and not a place to hook up, but many don’t know what to expect, especially when they’re coming out as poly. I’ll make sure to wear more social rather than sexual pheromones at these meetings. Ammo would still be appropriate in low dose (1 spray of 2x) because of it’s well balanced with [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/). ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/2 "2015-09-16T16:19:42Z")
Meeting with a Bi Man/47 **SITUATION: NEW GUY** Met a guy (47) on an online dating site. (OK, who am I kidding? It was the personals on Craigslist.) We chatted via messages for several days before we decided to meet in person. He was looking for an ongoing FWB situation. He’s also bi, married with kids, and on the down low, not at all out. Perfect situation for me since I’m looking for something casual, friendly, and light, yet ongoing. **[PHEROMONES](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/):** 2 spray TUTH (regular) 1 spray IG 1 spray P96, 50 mcg/spray I chose this combo because our messages got very salacious. I figured he would respond nicely to TUTH, but have a sense of respect with IG. P96 was added to provide extra warmth to the initial meeting. **OBSERVATIONS:** When he arrived at the pub, I felt he had an aura of authority. Our messages were playful, so that caught me off guard. We sat in a booth and took seats across from each other. After several minutes, I realized that I wasn’t sitting directly across from him, but off centered, probably an unconscious sign of intimidation. I quickly changed that and moved myself to sit directly across from him. Throughout our chat, I mirrored his posture and hand placements to build rapport ? he was leaning in with arms folded on the table. At some points I deliberately changed my posture by sitting back or leaning on one arm on the table. No change in his posture. We chatted about our past experiences and what we are looking for. Throughout the conversation, I didn’t see any overt IOIs coming from him. Then again, I don’t think I sent any out either. When we departed, we hugged. Nothing special. It was our first meeting to see if it would be worthwhile to see each other again. When I got home, I received an email from him asking me to be honest and what I thought. When someone asks me to be honest, I generally give them a dispassionate assessment. So I did. I told him we come two different worlds. I’m a blue collar guy; he’s a white collar family guy. I’m more of an introvert because I work at home; he’s more of an extrovert and manages people all day, including his children. I also mentioned his aura of authority and how it caught me off guard. More importantly, there was an element of secrecy and certain topics were off limits, which limited the candor of our conversation. This would make the friendship lopsided until I earned enough of his trust for him to open up to me. His response to that indicated that he liked me a lot more than he let on during our chat! He was disappointed by my brutal honesty because that wasn’t at all the direction he thought our chat went. Apparently, I was in control of the conversation and had him under my spell the entire time. The mones had done their job! I just didn’t know it until later. Anyway, I’m doing some damage control. Got a message from him this morning saying he was in a funk, but wants to see me again. I still think my assessment was accurate. For me, it is like assessing a landscape and figuring out how to get from point A to point B. There are some obstacles, but the path is doable. In the cloud of mones, however, he thought it was a straight and sure shot! Men. **ASSESSMENT:** Many older bi or gay men might not display overt IOIs, especially if they’re closeted. I’m open about my sexuality, but I also am very reserved about PDA. It may take longer to assess the effects of these pheromones, and I think I need to flirt more to make guys feel more comfortable to do so as well. I’ll definitely change the line up for our next meeting. I’ll ditch TUTH and IG. Maybe I’ll go with IO, P96, and Ammo, something more playful. ---
**Author:** ![Teatinman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Teatinman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Teatinman)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/3 "2015-09-20T19:42:01Z")
Hello Gank Buddy, I’m new to the forum and was suggested to follow up on your threads a little bit. I hope you don’t mind. I haven’t received my order yet but I will probably start off with MB, [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and TUTH with my GC. I will keep you posted to let you know what happens if you wish. I definetly want to know more on what happened to the bi married gentlemen. LOL Thanks, Teatinman > [@HankBuddy](#): > > **SITUATION: NEW GUY** > Met a guy (47) on an online dating site. (OK, who am I kidding? It was the personals on Craigslist.) We chatted via messages for several days before we decided to meet in person. He was looking for an ongoing FWB situation. He’s also bi, married with kids, and on the down low, not at all out. Perfect situation for me since I’m looking for something casual, friendly, and light, yet ongoing. > > **PHEROMONES:** > 2 spray TUTH (regular) > 1 spray IG > 1 spray P96, 50 mcg/spray > > I chose this combo because our messages got very salacious. I figured he would respond nicely to TUTH, but have a sense of respect with IG. P96 was added to provide extra warmth to the initial meeting. > > **OBSERVATIONS:** > When he arrived at the pub, I felt he had an aura of authority. Our messages were playful, so that caught me off guard. We sat in a booth and took seats across from each other. After several minutes, I realized that I wasn’t sitting directly across from him, but off centered, probably an unconscious sign of intimidation. I quickly changed that and moved myself to sit directly across from him. > > Throughout our chat, I mirrored his posture and hand placements to build rapport ? he was leaning in with arms folded on the table. At some points I deliberately changed my posture by sitting back or leaning on one arm on the table. No change in his posture. > > We chatted about our past experiences and what we are looking for. Throughout the conversation, I didn’t see any overt IOIs coming from him. Then again, I don’t think I sent any out either. When we departed, we hugged. Nothing special. It was our first meeting to see if it would be worthwhile to see each other again. > > When I got home, I received an email from him asking me to be honest and what I thought. When someone asks me to be honest, I generally give them a dispassionate assessment. So I did. > > I told him we come two different worlds. I’m a blue collar guy; he’s a white collar family guy. I’m more of an introvert because I work at home; he’s more of an extrovert and manages people all day, including his children. I also mentioned his aura of authority and how it caught me off guard. > > More importantly, there was an element of secrecy and certain topics were off limits, which limited the candor of our conversation. This would make the friendship lopsided until I earned enough of his trust for him to open up to me. > > His response to that indicated that he liked me a lot more than he let on during our chat! He was disappointed by my brutal honesty because that wasn’t at all the direction he thought our chat went. Apparently, I was in control of the conversation and had him under my spell the entire time. The mones had done their job! I just didn’t know it until later. > > Anyway, I’m doing some damage control. Got a message from him this morning saying he was in a funk, but wants to see me again. I still think my assessment was accurate. For me, it is like assessing a landscape and figuring out how to get from point A to point B. There are some obstacles, but the path is doable. In the cloud of mones, however, he thought it was a straight and sure shot! > > Men. > > **ASSESSMENT:** > Many older bi or gay men might not display overt IOIs, especially if they’re closeted. I’m open about my sexuality, but I also am very reserved about PDA. It may take longer to assess the effects of these pheromones, and I think I need to flirt more to make guys feel more comfortable to do so as well. I’ll definitely change the line up for our next meeting. I’ll ditch TUTH and IG. Maybe I’ll go with IO, P96, and Ammo, something more playful. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/4 "2015-09-20T20:09:18Z")
> [@Teatinman](#): > > Hello Gank Buddy, > > I’m new to the forum and was suggested to follow up on your threads a little bit. I hope you don’t mind. I haven’t received my order yet but I will probably start off with MB, P74 and TUTH with my GC. I will keep you posted to let you know what happens if you wish. I definetly want to know more on what happened to the bi married gentlemen. LOL > > Thanks, > Teatinman Thanks Teatinman! I have a slew of mones from AD. I’ve been testing P75, P74, P100, Ammo, and [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). I also have some results to share of IG. Need to find time to write them up! Haven’t gotten MB, though. I decided against it because I wanted to attract more masculine men. The sales description seemed a bit stereotypical for my taste. Nothing wrong at all with that. Just a matter of preferring straight whiskey over a country lemonade. Been communicating with the guy and all is well. I’ll share more details after we meet up in person. I’m hopeful I can have something going with him. He’s really a nice guy. He just wasn’t prepared for my level of dispassionate forthrightness. ---
**Author:** ![Teatinman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Teatinman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Teatinman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 6:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/5 "2015-09-21T06:05:07Z")
Are you familiar with the freebie of the week, TAC? If so, can you explain this a little to me? Thanks 🙂 Teatinman > [@HankBuddy](#): > > Thanks Teatinman! I have a slew of mones from AD. I’ve been testing P75, P74, P100, Ammo, and MX297. I also have some results to share of IG. Need to find time to write them up! Haven’t gotten MB, though. I decided against it because I wanted to attract more masculine men. The sales description seemed a bit stereotypical for my taste. Nothing wrong at all with that. Just a matter of preferring straight whiskey over a country lemonade. > > Been communicating with the guy and all is well. I’ll share more details after we meet up in person. I’m hopeful I can have something going with him. He’s really a nice guy. He just wasn’t prepared for my level of dispassionate forthrightness. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/6 "2015-09-21T14:11:23Z")
I don’t have TAC in my collection, so I’m not sure how it works in male-to-male interactions. From what I’ve read, it helps women feel more comfortable around men, but I’m not sure how it makes men feel around other men. Some posts indicates that TAC affects women more strongly than men. You mentioned you’re considering [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). That would work well with men. I get lots of guys shoot the breeze with me when I wear it. Just add some TUTH if you want a more sexual undertone to the conversation. You could also consider P96. I love that mone. It works beautifully in reducing stress, while creating warmth, sort of like feelings of puppy love. Yeah, this is what the bi guy experienced when we were together. He just didn’t give any indications of it for obvious reasons. Our schedules are a bit busy, so we haven’t been able to meet up yet, not to mention I came down with a cold. We had planned on meeting this week, but we’re going to wait until I’m well again. At least we’ve been communicating every day via messages. Yeah, he’s a guy I would definitely explore a FWB. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/7 "2015-09-21T16:53:08Z")
First Time with IG and IShine My first mones from AD were IShine and IG. I started off with these because the sales description of IG was more inline with my overall character - calm confidence, strong opinions, but quiet in nature. I shared this experience in my introductory post, but I’ll share it here in my journal since I plan to post more results with IG. **SITUATION:** Grocery Store **PHEROMONES:** 2 sprays of IG (neck) 4 sprays of IShine (forearms) The dosage was more of an accident than intent! **OBSERVATIONS:** The self-effects were immediate. I felt super confident, yet super calm. I felt very subdued. The feeling is like knowing I’m on top of things, but I don’t need to prove it to anyone. My posture was also improved. I stood tall and carried myself with alpha determination. At the store, I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary. I made eye contact with people, but only nodded if they made eye contact back. (Part of being a gentleman?) After I gathered my groceries, I stood in line to checkout. The cashier was a 20-something year old woman, glasses, long hair, but she looked rather bored. She slouched and didn’t appear at all attractive. (Even though I’m gay, I appreciate beautiful people, regardless of their gender.) When it was my turn to checkout, I noticed she had a lilt in her voice when she greeted me. I didn’t hear it with the previous two customers. By the time I paid up, she transformed into a radiant woman. She was standing tall, her chest was out, and she flicked her hair to reveal her neck. Her smile was gorgeous! I gave her a big smile too, knowing that I at least brightened her day for that moment. Later in the day, The Man came home. We chatted in the kitchen talking about our day. (I didn’t share with him about the mones, yet.) He asked me if anything was wrong because I seemed very subdued. I told him I was fine, maybe a little tired from my day, but nothing occupying my mind. I also asked him the same thing because he also appeared more subdued than normal. Typically he’s chatty when he gets home from work. ASSESSMENT: With a young woman, this combo worked beautifully! I loved seeing that instant transformation. If wearing mones brightens people’s day, I’d be glad to wear them daily. With my partner, it was much different. He and I have similar temperaments - down to earth, reserved, introverted, masculine. IG may have accentuated these innate qualities, so I’ll need to be careful about using it. Overall, it does balance out my emotions and helps me feel more secure in my body. I just don’t need to be more subdued than I already am. (In some later testing, IG does cause some problems, and I’ll share those results later. But, suffice to say that IG will remain in my repertoire.) ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/8 "2015-09-21T17:34:43Z")
Just wanted to stop by and tell you that this is a great journal and we need more gay testers and thank you for starting this great journal and reporting on everything men and women. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/9 "2015-09-22T02:35:49Z")
I agree with Justintime, great work. This journal is interesting even for straight people. Regarding your IG and IS, are they 1X strength or 2X? ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/10 "2015-09-22T15:24:24Z")
> [@Conjurator](#): > > I agree with Justintime, great work. This journal is interesting even for straight people. > > Regarding your IG and IS, are they 1X strength or 2X? Thanks for your feedback! The mones were 1x each. I’ll include the strength in future entries. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/11 "2015-09-22T15:34:55Z")
Open House I want to get this journal entry out because this relates to an upcoming “date” later this week. **SITUATION:** First day of the open house for my business I’m self-employed, and my facility is closed to the public. However, two weekends every year we host an open house for local customers. **PHEROMONES:** 1 spray of IG (1x) to neck 1 spray of P96 (50 mcg/spray) to neck 2 spray of IO (1x) to forearms I planned to work the cash register, which means I would be the first and last person customers would meet. I’m hoping the mones would accentuate my status, but also convey warmth and openness to customers. **OBSERVATIONS:** People were very friendly and eager to greet me. I don’t think it was the mones, though. Customers are always eager to visit my facility and see behind-the-scenes operations. When people were checking out and completing their purchases, this is when I saw the mones in action. The first two women (50s and not together) to checkout seemed rather ditzy and absent-minded. I got mildly irritated with each of them because they asked me the same questions twice and kept forgetting that they still needed to pay me for their purchases because they kept asking the same questions. Seriously, I had a very difficult time hiding my irritation. After they left, I wondered if my attitude towards women needed a slap in the face, so I mingled with other female customers. Other women were friendly, happy to talk with me, and didn’t repeat themselves. I wouldn’t say they were buddy-buddy with me, but the interaction was pleasant, very friendly, and cordial. Men, on the other hand, definitely behaved as if I were one of the gang. They joked a lot with me, smiled a lot, were willing to give me lots of eye contact. One guy caught me off guard. He really acted like we were seriously best friends. I had to break rapport with him by changing my body language. Scary. There was one guy that caught my interest, a little stud muffin. He was shorter, much younger (20s), and perfectly beefy. He wore a tank top shirt that showed off his guns and very tight shorts that accentuated his thighs. When I greeted him, my gaydar went wild ? the soft-eye gaze, extended eye contact, slight coy smile, the tilt to the head, the continued small talk to hang out a bit more? Yeah, this guy was family. When I had some free time, I walked around to mingle with customers. I noticed the stud muffin shifted his body language when he saw me, probably eager to strike up a conversation with me. He approached me and we chatted a bit more about personal things, like what we like to do and such. I kept the conversation very professional since there were other customers listening in. After a couple minutes, I excused myself to help customers at cash register. When the stud muffin was ready to leave, we continued our chat at the register. Anyway, this guy mentioned that if I needed a volunteer or if I needed a logo done or if I needed some web design or if I needed a volunteer or maybe a new logo design, he can help me out. He was repeating himself and stumbling over his own words! I had a distinct feeling that this guy was trying to find a way to see me again. He’s been to my website. He knows I don’t need a logo or web design! I still kept the conversation professional because one of my helpers was standing right there. Before he left, he gave me his card and told me to give him a call if I needed a volunteer or graphic design work. (Yes, I took advantage of the card. Read the assessment below.) **SITUATION:** Day two of the open house for my business. **PHEROMONES:** 2 sprays of IG (1x) to neck 1 spray of P96 (50 mcg/spray) to neck 2 spray of IO (1x) to forearms I increased IG just to see what would happen. **OBSERVATIONS:** While I felt confident and secure, I also felt very aloof. I didn’t want to socialize at all. I just wanted to be left alone to do my own thing. It was even hard for me to smile. I was Mr. Serious, even with IO. In fact, IO made it worse because people would want to talk to me, but I had no interest. It didn’t matter if they were male or female. I didn’t want to talk to anyone. This lasted all day. I forced myself to converse with customers, but I only provided sufficient information to answer their questions. I didn’t get personal or want them to get personal with me. **ASSESSMENT:** Wish I hadn’t done 2 sprays of IG. One spray of IG is my sweet spot. With two sprays, I’m Mr. Serious! It makes me anti-social, like I have way too much status for the commoners. (I’ve used two sprays on a previous occasion, and I had the similar feeling of being aloof and anti-social.) IG definitely has its good points, but for an older guy as myself, I might not need as much androsterone as a younger guy would, so one spray is sufficient. As for the two women who behaved absent-mindedly on the first day, I think it was a confidence issue. When the stud muffin arrived, he was very confident. But when it came time to possibly ask me out, he stumbled over his own words and repeated himself. So I think the two women probably were a bit too shy and didn’t know how to relate to me. Of course, the 20-something year old stud muffin must have really liked IG. May be he’s into older men? I’ll find out. The next morning after he gave me his card, I sent him a personal email asking him out to lunch. I purposely kept my email vague and worded it so the lunch date could go in several directions - friends only, more than friends, one time hook up, etc. After I sent the email, I was sweating bullets wondering if I did the right thing. It’s been at least a couple decades since asking someone out the old fashion way. Wasn’t sure if he would think I was some creepy old guy trying to get into his pants. Anyway, he responded later in the day and was really happy to meet me for lunch. I think I made his day based on his enthusiastic response. We have something set up later this week. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/12 "2015-09-23T14:35:48Z")
Met with Gay Man/45 Another entry I want to get out. This one occurred in late August. **SITUATION:** Possible FWB I met this guy (45) on Craigslist. Based on his ad, he was the kind of ongoing FWB I was looking for. We exchanged photos and messaged each other for about a week before meeting at his house. Originally we were going to meet at a bar, but he invited me to his home instead. **PHEROMONES:** 1 spray Ammo (2x) to neck 2 spray IH (1x) to forearms. I guess when you meet someone on CL and you’re invited to his home, sex is going to happen. Not sure what my rationale for IH was at the time, but Ammo seemed appropriate. (I didn’t have TUTH at the time.) **OBSERVATIONS:** We greeted each other with a hug, and we sat in his living room. He sat on the couch and motioned for me to take a seat in a LazyBoy recliner. Not sure why he didn’t want me sitting next to him on the couch. His body language was also odd, at least to me. He had his arms crossed the entire time. I mirrored him initially, and after a few minutes, I uncrossed my arms and kept them open. No change in his behavior. Anyway, this guy was a talker. He talked and talked and talked and talked. At one point I zoned out. I then got up and asked if I could kiss him to see if he would display a more inviting body language, but mostly I wanted him to shut up for a few seconds. He accepted my kiss, but it wasn’t at all the passionate kiss I was hoping. More like a peck on the lips. He asked me if I was in a hurry. (Wow.) I sat back down and listened to him talk some more. I also kept my arms open, while he still had his arms crossed. (To be fair, I did talk too. He just dominated the conversation.) After 90 minutes, he finally asked if I wanted to join him in his bedroom. I modestly agreed. I mean, I didn’t want to appear too eager after waiting 90 minutes for the invitation. The guy had a smoking hot body, but he sure was a strange bird. When we were in his bedroom and he closed the door, the guy transformed into a passionate lover. He could kiss! He later revealed that his sister lives with him and was in her room, which is why he was reserved out in the living area. (He’s out to his sister, and she’s living with him until she can get another place to live.) That was almost a boner killer knowing that she was in another room, but his kiss was very intoxicating. I quickly forgot about it. I won’t kiss and tell, but let’s just say that sex was uninhibited. **ASSESSMENT:** When I was driving to his house, I realized that adding IH was a mistake, at least for the self-effects. My self-talk was filled with doubt - “Why am I doing this? This isn’t me. Do you really want to have sex without knowing the guy?” However, IH also worked on the guy because he revealed some personal information that made me think I wouldn’t ever want him in my home. Because his sister lives with him, he was looking for someone who can host occasionally. Unfortunately, with his history, I’m reluctant to give him my address. The guy is also a chatterbox, and I’m wondering if Ammo accentuated his tendencies. At least Ammo helped me stay in the game until we made it to his bedroom. In the end, it was a one-time thing. Apart from his history, he and I had nothing in common for a basis of a friendship. He would make a fine FB, but that wasn’t what I was looking for. I need to feel some sort of connection with a guy if it’s going to be ongoing. He also seemed emotionally immature for being 45. Overall, I think I dodged a bullet. Thank you IH! ---
**Author:** ![Teatinman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Teatinman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Teatinman)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/13 "2015-09-24T02:41:17Z")
Hello HankBuddy Sorry for the late reply. I’m still trying to find my way around the site, like… How to go directly to messages, where to see my post, etc. I know they email a lot of that but outside of email I find myself having difficulties at times. But anyway… Yes… Your journal was nice. I’m interested to knowwhat problems you have with IG. Seems to be a chill mone. What are the CONS to using it. Also I haven’t written much on the forum because I’m still waiting on my order. Lol. It will come soon. I knew that the AD site had a lot of pheromones but they have SO many to choose from with interesting moods! Like.. [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/). LMAO… That’s hilarious. Its Soooo interesting though. Personally, the IJ wouldn’t fit me but just to have it in a product line is kinda impressive and intriguing to say the least. So, when I receive mine I can start my journal soon. I’m so excited and can’t wait. 😃 > [@HankBuddy](#): > > My first mones from AD were IShine and IG. I started off with these because the sales description of IG was more inline with my overall character - calm confidence, strong opinions, but quiet in nature. I shared this experience in my introductory post, but I’ll share it here in my journal since I plan to post more results with IG. > > **SITUATION:** Grocery Store > > **PHEROMONES:** > 2 sprays of IG (neck) > 4 sprays of IShine (forearms) > > The dosage was more of an accident than intent! > > **OBSERVATIONS:** > The self-effects were immediate. I felt super confident, yet super calm. I felt very subdued. The feeling is like knowing I’m on top of things, but I don’t need to prove it to anyone. My posture was also improved. I stood tall and carried myself with alpha determination. > > At the store, I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary. I made eye contact with people, but only nodded if they made eye contact back. (Part of being a gentleman?) After I gathered my groceries, I stood in line to checkout. The cashier was a 20-something year old woman, glasses, long hair, but she looked rather bored. She slouched and didn’t appear at all attractive. (Even though I’m gay, I appreciate beautiful people, regardless of their gender.) > > When it was my turn to checkout, I noticed she had a lilt in her voice when she greeted me. I didn’t hear it with the previous two customers. By the time I paid up, she transformed into a radiant woman. She was standing tall, her chest was out, and she flicked her hair to reveal her neck. Her smile was gorgeous! I gave her a big smile too, knowing that I at least brightened her day for that moment. > > Later in the day, The Man came home. We chatted in the kitchen talking about our day. (I didn’t share with him about the mones, yet.) He asked me if anything was wrong because I seemed very subdued. I told him I was fine, maybe a little tired from my day, but nothing occupying my mind. I also asked him the same thing because he also appeared more subdued than normal. Typically he’s chatty when he gets home from work. > > ASSESSMENT: > With a young woman, this combo worked beautifully! I loved seeing that instant transformation. If wearing mones brightens people’s day, I’d be glad to wear them daily. > > With my partner, it was much different. He and I have similar temperaments - down to earth, reserved, introverted, masculine. IG may have accentuated these innate qualities, so I’ll need to be careful about using it. Overall, it does balance out my emotions and helps me feel more secure in my body. I just don’t need to be more subdued than I already am. (In some later testing, IG does cause some problems, and I’ll share those results later. But, suffice to say that IG will remain in my repertoire.) ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/14 "2015-09-24T03:09:49Z")
Hey, Teatinman! Read my entry posted on September 22. I talk about the cons of IG there. Basically, it balances my emotions and sedates me to the point where I don’t want to be bothered with people. I’d rather be left alone and do my own thing, kind of like being a hermit. That’s the feeling I get if I do too much. Not everyone will have that reaction. That’s just my reaction based on my innate personality and lifestyle. You might have a higher tolerance for higher doses, though. For me, my sweet spot is 1 spray of regular strength. Yeah, you might want to try IG. It could attract more masculine guys for you if that’s what you’re aiming for. It worked with the bi guy and the stud muffin I wrote about earlier. I have a date with the stud muffin in a few days. I’ll likely use IG and P96 again with him, maybe with a touch of TUTH just to play with his mind. (He’s hot, but he’s at least 20 years my junior! Not sure if I want to go there.) Still waiting for the bi guy and I to get our schedules coordinated. Happens when you get involved with a married man on the down low. I’ll definitely keep you posted! ---
**Author:** ![dkracing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dkracing](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dkracing)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/15 "2015-09-24T04:11:39Z")
I’m not gay, but my city (San Francisco) is very gay friendly. On Sunday is the folsom street parade, which is half a street away from where I work. With Mx297, I’ve been getting strange vibes, from older men…I dunno what it’s about..But if you like older men, I’d order some [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 4:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/16 "2015-09-24T04:44:26Z")
Hey, Dkracing! I have mx297 in my arsenal. I’ve used it solo on a couple occasions, and I’ll need to write about them. Could it be that the vibe you were getting was because of the party atmosphere? Mx297 seems to convey that, and what older gay man wouldn’t want a boy toy for the day? It’s a bit objectifying, but I suppose that’s what women also experience. For me, the issue is, as a man in his late 40s, how to attract men who are also in their 40s and older. This is why I’m hesitant about meeting the stud muffin for lunch, even though I asked him out. He’s too young for my taste, at least long term. In the short term, I could definitely have fun, but that’s not what I’m really looking for. I guess I enjoyed the ego boost that a 20-something found me attractive! ---
**Author:** ![dkracing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dkracing](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dkracing)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/17 "2015-09-24T05:24:00Z")
> [@HankBuddy](#): > > Hey, Dkracing! I have mx297 in my arsenal. I’ve used it solo on a couple occasions, and I’ll need to write about them. Could it be that the vibe you were getting was because of the party atmosphere? Mx297 seems to convey that, and what older gay man wouldn’t want a boy toy for the day? It’s a bit objectifying, but I suppose that’s what women also experience. > > For me, the issue is, as a man in his late 40s, how to attract men who are also in their 40s and older. This is why I’m hesitant about meeting the stud muffin for lunch, even though I asked him out. He’s too young for my taste, at least long term. In the short term, I could definitely have fun, but that’s not what I’m really looking for. I guess I enjoyed the ego boost that a 20-something found me attractive! Seems like you have a confidence issue…A314 or instant shine 🙂 For reals though, your in your forties, and you got your self a young buck, go out and have a nice time 😃 pound it…Bro [http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/ClydeJr/funny/internet\_fist\_bump-2.png](http://media.photobucket.com/user/ClydeJr/media/funny/internet_fist_bump-2.png.html) ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/18 "2015-09-24T14:08:46Z")
> [@dkracing](#): > > Seems like you have a confidence issue…A314 or instant shine 🙂 > For reals though, your in your forties, and you got your self a young buck, go out and have a nice time 😃 > pound it…Bro Dude, you made my day! The funny thing is up until now, I’ve only been with guys older than me. The last three guys I dated were younger than me, and that has only been in the past 9 months! But, hey, age is just a number, right? I’m having lunch with him tomorrow. I’ll keep you posted. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/19 "2015-09-24T14:20:31Z")
Speaker at a Conference **SITUATION:** Spoke at a conference. This happened a few days ago. I was one of many speakers at a 3-day conference. The organizers asked me to speak at the event because I’m an expert in a niche sector of their association. **PHEROMONES:** 1 spray of P74 (37.5 mcg/spray) to neck 1 spray of P75 (3.75 mcg/spray) to neck I had just gotten these mones in the mail the day prior to my talk, so I thought I’d give them a try. I thought about going with IG, P96, and IO since they worked well at my open house, but I was afraid that IG might make me aloof again. I didn’t want to risk that at this event. I’m hoping that P75 will give me an aura of authority, while P74 will make me friendly and social. **OBSERVATIONS:** I was the very last speaker at the conference. I arrived at 9 AM with some supplies for my talk. A guy about my age greeted me and assisted me unloading my car. He was very friendly and was eager to share his experience about what I was going to talk about. I was all smiles and willing to hear his story. I then asked him which conference room I’ll be in. He looked it up and said I’ll be in room 3 at 10:45. Oops! I thought my talk was at 10:00. I have an extra 45 minutes to burn. I walked around and checked out some of the talks going on. When I went back to the lobby, a couple women sought me out because they were going to attend my talk. When I approached them, one woman (40s) opened her arms. I stood there smiling, not sure what to do. I eventually said, “Seems like you want a hug.” So I hugged her. She also was very touchy, touching my arm and shoulders. (Mind you, I have a Mohawk. Most people tend to keep their distance.) They both told me how excited they are about my talk. They then started sharing their stories. As they did so, I noticed that they really got into my personal space. I didn’t mind it, but it was noticeable. After a few minutes, the other woman (also 40s) took me by the arm and wanted me to tell her what products she should get from the vendors’ showroom. The other woman, whom I hugged earlier, expressed disappointment that I was leaving, but I told her I’ll return. So this woman literally takes me by the arm to the showroom and asks me questions about where I’m from and such. It didn’t seem like a sexual vibe, more like she found a new best friend and wanted to know more about me. We chatted for a while, and she shared with me a story that was unrelated to the conference. As we walked around the showroom, I noticed she stood very close to me and wanted to make sure I listened to her story. I eventually helped her out with the products she wanted. She thanked me for my help and went to pay for her items. I went back to the lobby to talk to the other woman, but she was gone. After that, I decided to go back to my car and review my notes for the talk. I also wanted to catch up on email and such. About 30 before my talk, I reapplied P74 and P75, single spray of each. (The first application was at 8:30.) When I got to the conference room, there was someone there eager to assist me. She was extremely friendly and smiled a lot. She didn’t touch me like the other women did, but I thought she was extremely eager to help me set up. I mean, I was the last speaker at the conference. She must have been tired by now, but she seemed very enthusiastic. The talk went extremely well. I was in my zone. I got people laughing throughout the talk, and people asked very good questions. They also seemed very satisfied with my responses. After the talk, people came up to me to thank me. One woman said I was the best speaker at the conference. A bit later, the event organizer said that participants were wowed by my talk. (To be fair, I’m well practiced in public speaking. I did lots of it in a former career.) **ASSESSMENT:** I like this combo. I felt confident and on top of my game. But more importantly, I felt very social. I consider myself an extroverted introvert, and I have my moments when I don’t want to socialize at all. With P74 and P75, I enjoyed socializing with people. I even enjoyed engaging in small talk, something I normally detest. The social ease might have been why I was able to make people laugh during my talk. Sometimes it can get very dry. People also were extremely friendly towards me, even touching me. There wasn’t any sexual element to the touch or conversations. It was as if they regarded me as a close friend. I also didn’t mind being touched. It was kind of fun being their best friend for a brief moment. I did notice, however, that after the second application, people weren’t touching me or invading my space. It’s possible that additional P75 intensified the aura of authority, so people might have been less likely to touch me for fear of offending me. The additional P74, however, still kept my vibe friendly, social, and approachable. Overall, this was a killer combo for me. It gave me an aura of authority, yet I remained very friendly and social. I also got these mones in World scent, which matched my body chemistry nicely. I’ll definitely try this combo again in another setting, but with only a single spray of each. That seems to be the sweet spot for me. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/20 "2015-09-25T04:16:25Z")
> [@HankBuddy](#): > > **ASSESSMENT:** > When I was driving to his house, I realized that adding IH was a mistake, at least for the self-effects. My self-talk was filled with doubt - “Why am I doing this? This isn’t me. Do you really want to have sex without knowing the guy?” > > However, IH also worked on the guy because he revealed some personal information that made me think I wouldn’t ever want him in my home. Because his sister lives with him, he was looking for someone who can host occasionally. Unfortunately, with his history, I’m reluctant to give him my address. The guy is also a chatterbox, and I’m wondering if Ammo accentuated his tendencies. At least Ammo helped me stay in the game until we made it to his bedroom. > > In the end, it was a one-time thing. Apart from his history, he and I had nothing in common for a basis of a friendship. He would make a fine FB, but that wasn’t what I was looking for. I need to feel some sort of connection with a guy if it’s going to be ongoing. He also seemed emotionally immature for being 45. Overall, I think I dodged a bullet. Thank you IH! That’s a good one! I’ll be sure to traffic gay male newbies to this journal. Re IH, try reminding yourself that you are on IH whenever you are on IH. It helps in controlling yourself whenever you feel the urge to blurt out personal information out. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949.md?page=2)