# An Older Gay Male Perspective **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [September 15, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949 "2015-09-15T15:45:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/181 "2016-01-10T20:19:31Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > Busy New Year huh, HankBuddy? šŸ™‚ > > We miss you already. šŸ™‚ Yeah, itā€™s been fairly busy. But mostly, I wanted to take a break from testing mones. The school teacher friend of mine threw me in for a loop. In the end, we both agreed to be just friends, though for different reasons. Kind of sucks because heā€™s very much my type and Iā€™m very much his type. Lots of great connections in and out of the bedroom. Probably too much so, which is why I needed to cease being physically intimate with him. He had a much different reason to end the physical intimacy. Weā€™ll still be friends, and we have plans to shoot pool in another week. So Iā€™m laying low for a couple weeks until I get my head back in order. But, Iā€™m still using mones. Iā€™ve been wearing P96 daily for at least a week now. Iā€™ll write about it later. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/182 "2016-01-13T20:08:32Z")
**PHEROMONES:** 2 drops A314 (Royale) 3 sprays TAC (7.5 mcg/spray) Went out to an LGBT gathering at a local microbrewery. I got this idea for paring A314 with TAC from Justintime. I love the effects of A314 when Iā€™m out socializing, so I wanted to see how TAC would affect my interactions. My sweet spot with TAC is about 20-25 mcg. I discovered this through some self tests in stressful situations. Three sprays of 7.5 mcg seemed to calm me down and throw caution to the wind. **OBSERVATIONS:** When I arrived, about 25 people were already there. I said hi to a few people, ordered a beer, and sat down at an open table. I immediately struck a conversation with a new guy, someone I hadnā€™t seen before. We hit it off pretty well, and I was able to sustain the conversation for a while. I noticed that I tended to invade his space. He didnā€™t seem put off by it. He even let me know that he has an open relationship with his husband! šŸ™‚ I also struck conversations with other guys, and I noticed I tended to put my arm around them when I talked with them. Iā€™ve never done that before! But it felt natural. The guys didnā€™t seem to mind at all. They even continued the conversation with me, laughed at my jokes, and cracked a few jokes of their own. My artist friend was also there. I seemed to be in a flirtatious mood, because I kept smiling and winking at him. Eventually, he came over and sat next to me. I put my arm around him and we chatted for quite a while. Another guy saw me with my arm around him and wanted to join in on the fun. So he came over and sat next to me. I was in the middle with my arms around both guys, and we all chatted together. Towards the end of the evening, a trans woman (male-to-female) came to our table. Iā€™ve met her several other times at past events, but this time was different. She started giving me ā€œthe look.ā€ Not sure what that was about, but I did notice that throughout the evening, lesbians avoided me, or at least didnā€™t hang out with me as much as the guys. At the end of the evening, I took my artist friend home. We chatted quite a bit during the drive, sharing more details about our personal lives. When I dropped him off, we made out in the car. Took him forever to get out, but I didnā€™t mind one bit. I would have followed him back to his apartment, but it was work night for me and a school night for him. **ASSESSMENT:** This is probably the most enjoyable experience I had with an A314 combo. The brewery we were at wasnā€™t a gay establishment, and Iā€™m usually conscientious about physical touch in public, so this was definitely a change for me. I really didnā€™t think about what others might think about me putting my arm around other guys. It just seemed very natural, like I was putting my arm around my best friend. There wasnā€™t a sexual charge to the touching, though. It was really done out of friendship. Guys would also touch me, but only after I touched them or put my arm around them. I guess I let them know that itā€™s OK to do so. Gay women, however, is another story. Very few conversations with them. I donā€™t know if they avoided me or it was simply how the tables were set up. Iā€™ll have to test this out again and be more mindful about socializing with them. Overall, A314 and TAC has strong potential. Gay men seem to like it! This was my first time using it, so hopefully the next time I try this combo the self-effects will lessen. Iā€™ve somehow got a reputation of being a big flirt. Donā€™t want to add to it unnecessarily! As for my artist friend, I can at least say TAC works well with him. He wasnā€™t intimidated by A314, and we seemed to have a very nice connection throughout the evening. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/183 "2016-01-13T20:23:13Z")
Indeed TAC brings great laid back vibe to counterbalance A314 in a social fun setting. The fact that they wait for the ā€˜physical okā€™ to touch you is fascinating. Definitely a beta reflex they have there. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/184 "2016-01-13T20:38:06Z")
With the guys waiting for the OK to touch me is part of being gay. Public forms of affection isnā€™t always safe for gay men. This is why I found it fascinating that I didnā€™t care that I was in a non-gay establishment and I was putting my arms around guys. Typically Iā€™m very self-conscious about these sort of things as are many gay men. But I didnā€™t even think about what other customers would think about me. I didnā€™t even think what the wait staff would think. I was simply being me, which is nice for a change. I guess once guys were in my cloud, they were being themselves too! I have two more social events this week. Iā€™ll continue with the test. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/185 "2016-01-13T20:53:00Z")
Conjurator, Iā€™ve been thinking a bit more about your comment. Youā€™re probably right that A314 had an effect. I canā€™t rule that out! Iā€™d have to test TAC solo to see if guys will initiate physical contact. Maybe TAC removed the intimidation factor, but still allowed the positive aspects of A314, such as respect and credibility. Yeah, Iā€™ll need to review the events a bit more closely to see if there was any other alpha-beta reaction going on. But, TAC sure put me in a good mood! ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/186 "2016-01-13T22:03:33Z")
On myself TAC causes not only relaxation, but disinhibition at high doses, Iā€™m talking 80 mcg+. Iā€™m much more touchy (not sexual) with people (I usually ainā€™t a touchy person) and I care much less about social conventions. It becomes like a drunk feeling if I go beyond that (like 100 mcg+). Workable drunk, but still. Regarding effects I get on others at these doses, they seem a bit dreamy, relaxed and smiling. Maybe that ā€˜donā€™t care what people thinkā€™ and you got is that kind of dishinibition effect. Comments please? But ignore the actual mcg, I know Iā€™m a weird bird regarding dosagesā€¦ Anyone else has tried such heavy doses of TAC or experienced similar effects even at lower doses? ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/187 "2016-01-13T23:03:56Z")
Yeah, Iā€™d say thatā€™s exactly how I felt! I was much more touchy (and Iā€™m not a touchy person), and I didnā€™t care about social conventions! I was on 22.5 mcg, so I donā€™t think I should go higher. I was also too much into the self-effects that I didnā€™t quite notice how others behaved other than that they were happy and laughing at my jokes a lot. Definitely nothing sexual about this disinhibition. Justintime said his sweet spot was 20 mcg. Maybe he can comment about his experience. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/188 "2016-01-13T23:22:28Z")
Thanks for the light, Hank. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/189 "2016-01-14T01:38:50Z")
Got feedback from someone who attended last nightā€™s gathering. Itā€™s official. Iā€™m a flirt! Now this gives me ideas on how to use A314 and TAC. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/190 "2016-01-16T13:20:05Z")
Whoa great experience with the TAC/A314. You know when I tried 30MCG with A314 it was DIHL all the way with women and the guys all were overbearing friendly. This was a work setting LOL. With 10MCG I got back more of what I really love about A314. I find I can use TAC at work but with around 5 MCG is it. Just enough to slightly take some of the rough edges off of the A314 Rev 32. TAC seems to just let people do what they want and not think about anything else or care about what others think or any consequences of anything. Now I you have given me an idea this time Hank. I think I need to test TAC/P96 to see what I get. This just sounds like an interesting combo. I would like to hear from women users how TAC works for them as I havenā€™t read any reports from a womans view. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/191 "2016-01-16T14:29:13Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > Now you have given me an idea this time Hank. I think I need to test TAC/P96 to see what I get. This just sounds like an interesting combo. HA! I thought about wearing A314, TAC, and P96 when I see my school teacher friend for a game of pool. It has a slight fallout effect, which I can deal with. Mostly I want to throw him off on his game big time! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/192 "2016-01-22T17:51:11Z")
**PHEROMONE:** 2 sprays Ammo (World scent, regular strength) I had a first meeting with a trans man (female to male) for a game of pool. Heā€™s an organizer for a group of trans men who meet regularly for pool. Not being trans myself, I wasnā€™t able to attend these pool sessions, but I did ask him if heā€™s willing to play pool with me since Iā€™m always looking for fellow pool players. I chose to test Ammo solo just to see how a trans man would respond to it. **OBSERVATIONS:** When I messaged this guy (55 years old), I suggested we meet at a gay bar that has a pool table. I figured it would be a relaxing, non-threatening environment. I arrived first, and when he showed up, he seemed very happy to meet me. He had a very big smile. We chatted a bit and soon got to playing pool. His pool skills were quite good, and immediately I felt a bit intimidated. I even knocked the 8-ball in mid game, so we started another game. I regained my composure and managed to be on par with him. We both ended with only the 8-ball on the table. Despite having knocked in all of my balls in first, he swept the table, knocked the 8-ball in and won the game. Throughout the games, we talked and joked around a lot. After that, we got something to drink and talked some more. The conversation was very smooth and easy flowing. At one point, I realized I made a serious faux pas. I had assumed that he was gay. He has a girlfriend and identifies himself as straight. Oops! I did some backpedaling and managed to save face. (In my defense, nearly all of my male friends are gay. For the past several years, I have rarely socialized with straight men. Thatā€™s just out of circumstance from working alone at home rather than choice. My association with straight men are usually for business rather than pleasure.) Anyway, he wasnā€™t offended and simply laughed it off. But we started talking about relationships. He was very fascinated about the arrangement I have with my husband. He also opened up about his arrangement with his girlfriend and some of the misgivings he has about his relationship. We continued talking, but eventually I mentioned that I had to leave to meet a friend, but we still talked about relationship stuff. Thirty minutes later I mentioned again that I had to leave, which I finally did. We exchanged phone numbers and agreed to meet again for pool. **ASSESSMENT:** At least in this situation, a trans man who identifies as being straight, Ammo was very acceptable. He was eager to learn more about my situation and relationship with my husband. He also opened up about his relationship. In fact, we could have talked further into the evening if I didnā€™t need to meet another friend. Conversation with him was very smooth. Had I not made the silly faux pas of assuming he was gay, I would have actually chosen different mones to wear. In my experience, I have often had difficulty striking conversations with straight men when Iā€™m wearing Ammo. But, this seemed to be a worthwhile mistake. It didnā€™t affect him adversely. If anything, he seemed open to Ammo and talked very freely and openly, especially meeting someone for the first time. I wouldnā€™t go as far to generalize that Ammo is OK to wear around trans men, but at least in this situation, it worked out fine. I donā€™t know any other trans men personally, but I would like to experiment with Ammo a bit more. Itā€™ll be interesting and a long process because Iā€™d need to determine if the person identifies as gay, straight, or bi. This may or may not make a difference in the overall effect, but would still be useful information. Iā€™ll also see about wearing Ammo around trans women. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/193 "2016-01-27T13:19:58Z")
Very interesting and keep these type of reports coming. I am very interested in hearing the results and how pheromones effect men and women. I still have some tests to do with MX300 and MX335 when I get to them. Great story!!! ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/194 "2016-01-28T02:49:49Z")
Always love to read your report HankBuddy. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/195 "2016-01-28T19:31:04Z")
**PHEROMONE:** 2 sprays TAC (10 mcg/spray) solo. I wore this to my poly support group. I like to test out pheromones to find ones that put people at ease while still sustain conversations. Thatā€™s usually my indicator of success whenever I test pheromones at these meetings. **OBSERVATIONS:** The meeting was relatively small, mostly returning members. I struck a conversation with a new guy. He and his wife (she wasnā€™t present) are exploring the poly world. Itā€™s only been a month, so he was very new to the concept and a bit intimidated, but he was still wiling to learn more about it. He and I chatted for a while. He seemed nervous at first, which is understandable. But after chatting for a bit, he seemed to loosen up and relax. He was very much willing to answer my questions about why he and his wife chose to explore poly. He also shared some additional information without me prodding him. I also chatted with other members. With one guy, we had a good conversation, but with others, conversations fell flat. The overall vibe at this meeting was a bit sedate, and it seemed that people werenā€™t as talkative or jovial as they were at previous meetings. This was one of the very few times when I kept looking at the clock and waiting for my time to leave. The lack of ongoing or engaging conversations throughout the group was uncomfortable, at least for me. Fortunately, I had a date later in the evening, so I was able to excuse myself. **ASSESSMENT:** TAC seemed to bring down the vibe of this group. Everyone seemed relaxed and chilled, but maybe a bit too much so. This was such a different vibe when I wore TAC and A314 (post #182). I did wear 3 sprays (30 mcg) TAC, but it was paired with A314. At that time, I and everyone around me was in a more jovial and playful mood, though they were often following my lead as a result of A314. By itself, TAC seems to only produce a chilled relaxed feel without any direction. This is a similar effect when I use TAC solo at home. I just sit in front of the TV and space out for a while. Itā€™s nice after a long day of work, but not sufficient when wanting to keep conversations going. TAC definitely is a secondary pheromone. It needs a primary pheromone to give it direction. When I have the opportunity, Iā€™ll try TAC with A314 at the poly meeting. My last few attempts using A314 at the meeting wasnā€™t good. Too much alpha vibe, which intimidated new people and made me feel like a bull. But Iā€™ll see if TAC can temper A314 sufficiently so that new folks arenā€™t so intimidated and will open up readily. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/196 "2016-01-28T19:54:27Z")
Maybe IG/TAC would be awesome is such a setting. The wise / solid / dependable vibe of IG tempered with the relax and laidback vibe of TAC. Think itā€™s worth trying? ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/197 "2016-01-28T21:31:35Z")
Iā€™d like to do more testing with IG solo before doing that, but IG and TAC should be a worthwhile combo. I was going to use IG tonight at an LGBT event tonight, but I canceled. I got too much going on! Iā€™ll try out the combo at some point though. Thanks for the suggestion! ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/198 "2016-02-01T05:30:29Z")
TAC is my favorite and have found 5-10 MCG works good even in a work setting to. Around 20 is what I use with sexual mixes or with A314 20 MCG I can make work to. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 11:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/199 "2016-02-16T11:57:34Z")
I just wanted to stop by and say hi and miss seeing you around. I hope you are doing well and was curious how everything turned out with the teacher guy. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/200 "2016-02-17T03:08:38Z")
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