# An Older Gay Male Perspective **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [September 15, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949 "2015-09-15T15:45:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/222 "2016-03-28T23:58:55Z")
I love your reports on A314 and IG. I see a lot of them are Royale which is nice to see because i only have REV 32. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/223 "2016-03-29T15:07:00Z")
Thank you Justin. Yeah, in the little testing I’ve done with Rev 32, I noticed it has a slight edgy quality to it. Royale feels more social and less arrogant. With Rev 32, I feel like “let’s get shit done.” I also prefer the sandalwood scent of Royale. [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) is fine, but doesn’t necessarily play well with World scent, my preferred scent, which seems more masculine to me. Yeah, I’m also liking A314 with IG. I can use my sweet spot without the nasty side effect of being anti-social. With 2 sprays of IG, I’m in my groove, but I also don’t want to be bothered with. A314 changes that. With one spray of IG and two drops of A314, I get the best of both worlds. That seems to be a widely workable dosage for me when I use both together. But when I’m playing pool, I use two sprays of IG and two drops of A314. That really enhances my focus and concentration. ---
**Author:** ![zedster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zedster/32/1715_2.png) [@zedster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zedster)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/224 "2016-03-31T02:02:53Z")
> [@HankBuddy](#): > > **PHEROMONES:** > 2 drops A314 (Royale) > 1 spray IG (1x) > 2 sprays P74 (10 mcg/spray) > 2 sprays IH (sprayed to wrists) > > I typically wear 2-3 products at the most. I’ve been experimenting with A314 and IG together, and decided I like that as a base, so now I consider those two as a single product whenever I use them together. I think of it as A314 Plus. > > I’m meeting a guy I contacted through Craigslist. We hit it off pretty well. I liked the vibe of his ad, and he had a very adorable photo. He’s also in an open marriage (to a guy). I couldn’t resist. I decided to try P74 and IH since I’ve never used it on a first date before. > > **OBSERVATIONS:** > We agreed to meet at a pub near his home. I got there early and found an open table. He arrived about 10 minutes later. Immediately after sitting, we bypassed the small talk pleasantries and talked about our relationships. He seemed extremely comfortable with me and acted like we already knew each other. > > After we ordered beer, we continued talking and had some good laughs. We talked quite a bit that we didn’t order any food until we had our third pint of beer! > > At one point, he wanted to show me nude photos of his husband. He was so proud of him. In fact, his husband was out on a date when he and I met. I was a bit uncomfortable looking at nude photos of his husband. I mean, who is the intended date? But, he was quite eager to show them to me. (Possible hit from P74?) > > At another point in our conversation, he said, “OK, I’m going to tell you a secret, but you have to promise not to tell anyone!” (Possible hit from IH?) > > Throughout our time at the pub, he reached out and touched me several times. Even after we left the pub and walked towards our cars, he put his arm around my shoulder and talked to me like a guy would with his best friend. I’m not one for PDA, so I kept my hands in my pocket. > > We decided to hop into my car and drive to a nearby walking trail through the woods. The trail was unlit, so I felt more comfortable putting my arms around him. He was very receptive to that. During our walk, we kissed some. We found a bench where we sat and kissed some more. We also talked a lot about our past experiences with guys. He was so easy to talk with, and I felt comfortable sharing with him about my history. > > We eventually walked back to my car. His car was still parked at the pub, so I needed to drive him back there. As we drove back to his car, he asked me to sleep over. His husband was away for the night, and he wanted me to spend the night with him. As much as I was turned on by him, I declined. I explained that sleepovers is something I prefer not to do on a first date. I jokingly told him that I really have to trust a guy for him to see me with morning hair. But, he was pleading with me to spend the night with him. In the end, I held my ground. I really liked the guy, and I wanted to prove to him and myself that we will see each other again. (Possible self-effect from IG?) > > As I drove away, I felt really good about our interactions. We texted each other a few times over the next couple days. Three days later, he texted me and asked if he could visit me at my home and meet my husband. 🙂 > > **ASSESSMENT:** > This was a really good combo for a first date. I’m glad I used only one spray of IG rather than using my typical two sprays. It kept me level headed, but also allowed the sensual qualities of A314 to come through. (Man, I so much wanted to get him in bed!) I also didn’t sense any daddy issues or any emotional neediness with this guy. If he had any, IG would have fished them out. I’ve seen it happen with numerous guys I’ve met. Fortunately, my date had none of them. IG also helped me stand my ground regarding sex. I wanted to make sure this wasn’t going to be a one-night affair. > > P74 really helped us be buddy-like. I thought it was very interesting how he wanted to show me nude photos of his husband. That doesn’t even happen with my closets friends. I also noticed that after 2 hours of wearing P74, I got incredibly sexual. It’s a weird effect from P74 that I also noticed in previous occasions. > > IH also helped deepen our connection and encourage him to share a bit more than he would have otherwise. > > This combo is quite good to wear on a first date. I really liked how it made my date feel very comfortable with me, and vice versa. Of course, the real proof of this combo was him asking to visit me at home and meet my husband. So I know I made quite the impression on him. 🙂 How fascinating! I’d say those moments were definite hits, and that this is a great combo for first dates. You said you felt A314 sensual qualities come through?are these self-effects, or how he perceived you? ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/225 "2016-03-31T02:48:43Z")
> [@zedster](#): > > How fascinating! I’d say those moments were definite hits, and that this is a great combo for first dates. You said you felt A314 sensual qualities come through?are these self-effects, or how he perceived you? With A314 (Royale), I feel social, sensual, and flirtatious. So those would be self-effects. Look for my next post, because Rev. 32 is a very different creature! 😮 ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/226 "2016-03-31T15:37:16Z")
**PHEROMONES:** 2 drops A314 (Rev. 32) 1 spray P74 (10 mcg/spray) The guy from post #220 asked if he could visit me at home. This was only 2 days after our first date. It was about noon and I had a ton of gardening to finish that day. The sun was out, so I really wanted to take advantage of the good weather, but I was willing to hang with him for a while. Besides, The Man wasn’t home, so I could use some company for a short while. After getting his phone call, I showered really fast and put on a couple drops of A314 (Rev. 32). Oh, no! I wanted to try out Rev. 32 solo with him, but forgot it was in Akuto scent. Not my favorite, but workable. To make the scent a bit more masculine, I did a single spray of P74, which I have in World scent. **OBSERVATIONS:** After putting on the mones, I went back to my gardening projects. I felt like I was on a mission. Got to get shit done! I was in my groove and deep into my projects when my friend showed up. He got out of his car, and we hugged, but he seemed tentative. He looked around and wanted to check out my garden. So I gave him a tour, and we talked about plants, the environment, ecosystems, wildlife, and the like. During that time, he seemed rather cool. He talked to me like we were doing business or something. He also made very little eye contact with me. Since I knew I was wearing mones, I played along. Eventually I mentioned about getting a bite to eat because I was really hungry. He was hungry too, so we walked to a nearby tavern. Lunch was fine, nothing terribly noticeable, though he seemed to have relaxed and warmed up a bit. Still, this was a different guy who I met the other day. After lunch, we walked back to my home. I had a lot of gardening to finish up, so I didn’t offer him to come inside. I really wanted to get back to work. He eventually said that he should get back home. He gave me a very warm hug and left. Three days later, I asked him when his days off were. He texted me the days, and then said, “Hey Hank, you’re a prince of a guy, but I’m just not inclined to get physical with you… blah blah blah… I hope you don’t mind.” Wow! I was trying to wrap my brain around this one. I wasn’t angry or upset, but I was very curious why he had such a 180? change in attitude. When guys display this type of irrational behavior, I know it’s not about me. It’s about them. On our first date, he was begging me to have sex with him. He told me how scrumptious I looked and how he wanted to pin me down and have his way with me. Now, he’s not inclined to do so. Pretty darn hilarious! I guess that’s my karma for the previous guy I met (post #211). **ASSESSMENT:** That is by far the strangest reaction I’ve ever gotten from a date! When you compare what I wore in post #220 and now, it’s really a stripped down version (minus IG, minus IH, only 1 spray of P74, swap Royale for Rev. 32). With Royale, I still have an alpha vibe, but I’m more social and flirtatious. With Rev. 32, I feel the alpha vibe, but I want to get shit done. I’m on a mission. (To be fair, I get on a mission if I wear three drops of Royale.) My friend’s behavior was also unexpected - very little eye contact, no physical touch except for our hugs, no dirty talk. Of course, he may have been waiting for my lead, but I wasn’t going there because I wanted to get shit done. Just to be sure, I checked over my texts with him, and I didn’t at all say anything disrespectful or negative. I also told him that I had a lot of gardening projects to complete that day. So, my conclusion is that he became disinterested because I didn’t invite him in. But, if that’s indeed the case, then I’m not the right guy for him, and him for me. We texted a bit more, and I strongly suspect that there might be some insecurity issues that didn’t surface until our second meeting. When I consider times I’ve used Royale solo or with one other product (IShine, P74, P86, P96, or IH), I have to say that there is a qualitative difference between Royale and Rev. 32. I haven’t gotten this type of about-face reaction at all until now. I really need to experiment more with Rev. 32. Either 1 drop is my sweet spot, or I need to use more buffers, especially with a date. Men! ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/227 "2016-04-03T15:16:25Z")
**PHEROMONES:** 4 sprays TUTH (1x, 2.5 mcg/spray) 2 sprays TAC (7.5 mcg/spray) I was feeling really sexual lately, but The Man had been incredibly busy for the past couple weeks. Our schedules just weren’t jiving. I decided to peruse Craigslist for a hookup. Found a guy who seemed very appropriate, so we decided to meet up later that day. Since this was just a hookup, I decided to try out TUTH and TAC. Jdub and Justintime469 have been playing around with this combo, so I thought I see how it works with gay men. They suggested using 2.5 mcg TUTH and 10 mcg TAC (1:4). I went a bit higher and used 10 mcg TUTH and 15 mcg TAC (2:3). **OBSERVATIONS:** After spraying on the mones, I felt incredibly sexual. TUTH really turned me on, and I love that peppery scent of androstenone. It took some self control to not beat off, but I was so ready for sex. When I got to the guy’s place, I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary, though he seemed very eager to meet me. He was close to my age, a business executive, very cultured, quite intelligent, and witty. I chose well! We chatted for a bit on his couch. TUTH was definitely kicking in for me, but I held back, trying to notice any discernible hits from the guy. I didn’t notice any. Eventually he asked if I wanted a massage. Yes! We went to his bedroom where I asked if I could kiss him. When we kissed, we didn’t let go. The passion and sexual energy unleashed. We had an incredible time exploring each other’s body. He also buried his head near the TUTH app points and would then come up and give me an incredibly passionate kiss. We had non-stop sex for 45 minutes before we finally climaxed. (For gay men, that’s a marathon!) After sex, we showered, dressed and headed to a pizzeria across the street. We had a couple drinks and food. Talked for a couple hours. Yeah, we hit it off well and wouldn’t at all mind seeing him again. He asked me if I wanted to go back to his apartment. I could have done a second round, but I wanted to get back home. I had to get up early the next day to complete some work. Even though we’re from two different worlds (white collar versus blue collar), he would make a fine FB. **ASSESSMENT:** This combo works! The sexual chemistry was there. We were both on the same page with various sexual activities. There was also a similar level of intensity as when I used TUTH on previous occasions, but the intensity was definitely higher. To be honest, though, I’m not too crazy about the neroli scent of TUTH. I’ve been getting all of my mones in Word scent. I got my 30 ml bottle of TUTH back in September when I was new to mones. I thought about doing a custom order of TUTH in World, but I might consider androstenone, 5 mcg/spray, instead. I’ll also get P77. ---
**Author:** ![zedster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zedster/32/1715_2.png) [@zedster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zedster)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/228 "2016-04-05T00:50:41Z")
So what do you think TAC did in this mix? I’m not all that familiar with it, but from your rund down, TUTH seems like it was the dominant mone. ---
**Author:** ![zedster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zedster/32/1715_2.png) [@zedster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zedster)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/229 "2016-04-05T01:03:55Z")
> [@HankBuddy](#): > > On our first date, he was begging me to have sex with him. He told me how scrumptious I looked and how he wanted to pin me down and have his way with me. Now, he’s not inclined to do so. Pretty darn hilarious! I guess that’s my karma for the previous guy I met (post #211). > > **ASSESSMENT:** > That is by far the strangest reaction I’ve ever gotten from a date! Wow, that’s really strange! You’re right, it’s probably some underlying issue that he has that only came to surface on the second date. Consider it a blessing in disguise you didn’t end up getting seriously involved with someone like that. It’s funny when I think of the modern\* gender stereotypes of women being “complicated”, emotional, and unpredictable (or whatever) compared to men (who are supposedly more straightforward, level headed, simple, etc.); experiences like these as well as my own put that lie to rest regularly. I’ve had one guy go from begging to see me, to cussing me out, to begging to see me in the span of an hour via text & voice message. You can’t get more emotional and unpredictable than that!😃 \*: I say “modern” because in previous centuries in Anglo societies, men were the ones described as the tempestuous, hot headed ones who needed a cool-headed woman to calm their firery souls. So it’s not even a gay/straight thing. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/230 "2016-04-05T03:00:51Z")
Nice report Hank and thank you for testing that as it is always nice to see from another side with how it effects men. I may have to revisit this and maybe adjust the ratios after reading your report. With the 1:4 TUTH to TAC it is very workable in public and even in the wrong situations like church or family gathering which I have tried in both situations for fun and it went really smooth. with your ratio of 2:3 of TUTH to TAC I think what happened here is the TUTH came out stronger and there is also P79 in TUTH which just amplified the sexual part of TUTH a lot more and with your ratio it appears to be more straight forward sexually and the TAC which just enough to remove any hesitation to act on the TUTH. SO great work and thanks for testing this out. I am getting ready to get into testing [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) as I have found it works very well for me at work. I seen you got another award for your great work my friend. Congratulations buddy as you are a huge asset to us and you deserve it. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/231 "2016-04-06T16:09:11Z")
> [@zedster](#): > > So what do you think TAC did in this mix? I’m not all that familiar with it, but from your rund down, TUTH seems like it was the dominant mone. TAC has a disinhibiting and relaxing effect, sort of like beer, but without feeling drunk. Makes TUTH much more fun! 😃 > [@zedster](#): > > It’s funny when I think of the modern\* gender stereotypes of women being “complicated”, emotional, and unpredictable (or whatever) compared to men (who are supposedly more straightforward, level headed, simple, etc.); experiences like these as well as my own put that lie to rest regularly. I’ve had one guy go from begging to see me, to cussing me out, to begging to see me in the span of an hour via text & voice message. You can’t get more emotional and unpredictable than that!😃 Yeah, women do NOT have a corner on unpredictable, irrational behavior. Heck, look at Trump! That incident was a blessing in disguise. We texted a few times since, and our second meeting seemed to have stirred up some insecurities issues in his relationship. I guess I was too alpha! When doing poly, I need guys who are secure and confident in themselves. He wasn’t it. Glad rev 32 weeded this guy out. > [@justintime469](#): > > With the 1:4 TUTH to TAC it is very workable in public and even in the wrong situations like church or family gathering which I have tried in both situations for fun and it went really smooth. with your ratio of 2:3 of TUTH to TAC I think what happened here is the TUTH came out stronger and there is also P79 in TUTH which just amplified the sexual part of TUTH a lot more and with your ratio it appears to be more straight forward sexually and the TAC which just enough to remove any hesitation to act on the TUTH. SO great work and thanks for testing this out. > > I seen you got another award for your great work my friend. Congratulations buddy as you are a huge asset to us and you deserve it. Thanks Justin for the nomination! That post was surely an experience. It was interesting to see how quickly my mood changed after putting on [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). Not sure what possessed me to use 4 sprays of TUTH during my last testing. I guess I was really in the mood. The 1:4 ratio is good for general daily use, and higher ratios, such as 2:3, might be good when you simply want some action. I still want to experiment with the lower ratio for daily use, but I’ll likely try it with androstenone rather than TUTH. After using World for all of my favorite mones, neroli is a bit too floral for my taste. Besides, The Man really hates it. Can’t get any action with him when I wear it. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/232 "2016-04-14T15:44:06Z")
**PHEROMONES:** 2 drops A314 (Rev. 32) 1 spray IG (1x) 2 sprays IH (forearms) If you’ve been reading my journal, you know that I’m poly. My relationship with The Man is open, but not promiscuous or swinging. Poly is really about establishing a connection with people, and I’ve been on a quest to find the right guy for something ongoing. Sometimes there’s a test drive during the vetting process, but most times I just meet a guy for beer and we part ways. A couple weeks ago, I placed an ad on Craigslist, my go-to dating site. I worded it to specifically attract a poly-minded guy and weed out the freaks. Got four bona fide responses. One particular guy caught my attention. He wrote in complete sentences, was very articulate in his response, and seemed to display qualities that are important to me. So, I set up a time to meet with him. I was a bit nervous going into the meet-and-greet. He’s bi, married, open about his sexuality, and he and his wife also practice poly. On top of that, he lives only 5 miles from me. (I live in a very rural town, so 5 miles is just down the street for me.) He seemed a bit too good to be true, so I was nervous about waiting for the other shoe to drop. I originally was going to wear A314, IShine, and IH, but I switched out IShine for IG to give me more confidence. Besides, I also wanted to see if there were any daddy issues and such. **OBSERVATIONS:** We met at a tavern near my home. He was just as attractive in person as in his photo. We had a really good time sharing our stories. He provided personal information about his life and history with men. We also joked around and flirted with each other. Definitely mutual attraction going on. I also didn’t sense any insecurities or daddy issues. He seemed very secure and confident with his own situation and is willing to take things slowly and see how things progress. This warmed my heart. After a couple rounds of beer, I offered to give him a tour of my property. I live on 3.5 acres, partly forested. So, we got into his truck and drove to my place. (I had walked to the tavern.) As I gave him a tour of the property, I asked if I could give him a kiss. He was happy to hear that. We kissed quite passionately. It took some self-control to peel ourselves off of each other. He had to meet his wife in town, so we set up a second date. After that he left. Shortly after that, The Man came home. I shared with him my experience with the guy. The Man remarked that I had a glow about me that he didn’t see when I spoke about other guys. Yeah, I was in a euphoric cloud. I definitely want to see this guy again. **ASSESSMENT:** This combo worked well. Despite IG in the mix, I felt very flirtatious, as did he. So, one spray of IG with two drops of A314 is a good ratio. It enhances warmth, but doesn’t squelch the sensual and social qualities of A314. I think IH also helped develop a good connection with this guy. We were talking and joking with each other as if we were already friends. Funny thing was that I thought about adding P74 for this purpose, but opted not to. I prefer to use as little as possible. I think IH and IG might lend to the feelings of friendship, so this combo might work as a substitute for P74, and possibly vice versa. Overall, this is a good mix for a first date when you don’t have any sexual expectations, but still want to be flirtatious. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/233 "2016-04-15T13:47:01Z")
Great report. Based on your experience, that mix seems to work great for man-man flirting. With girls, I get absolutely no flirting vibe when I mix A314 and IG. Don’t get me wrong, I still admire beauty, but the result is too business oriented to make me feel flirty 🙂. I can feel flirty with A314 **or** with IG, but not so much with the two together. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/234 "2016-04-15T14:04:44Z")
This is where I find a single molecule can really change the dynamic of things. A314 by itself I am all about no nonsense and get shit done and get out of my way I am the commander here and this is how things are going to work. When I add P96 to A314 I get a fallout, sexual side out of A314 and the P96 just brings out this side and tones down the seriousness and commanding part of the A314. It doesn’t soften it and is still there, just changes how the A314 is perceived. I find A314/P96 older women love this and It hits hard with 40-45 and up age range especially with Hispanics. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/235 "2016-04-15T14:21:33Z")
> [@Conjurator](#): > > With girls, I get absolutely no flirting vibe when I mix A314 and IG. Don’t get me wrong, I still admire beauty, but the result is too business oriented to make me feel flirty 🙂. I can feel flirty with A314 **or** with IG, but not so much with the two together. Hmm? Come to think of it, there was only one time I wore only A314 (Royale) and IG on a date several weeks back. I wasn’t as flirtatious as I had been on my last date. But, I remember that when we kissed, it was extremely sexual. Yeah, I think there is something extremely charismatic about A314 and IG together. Guys (gay or straight) usually want to impress me, and I don’t have to do very much. I just sit back and let them do the talking. Maybe that’s why I don’t feel as flirtatious. I’m king. (My pool coach often goes overboard with the lessons, like he wants to really please me and make sure I’m learning all that he knows.) Maybe when I add IH to the mix, it makes it less business-like, more friendly. I’m also subject to self-effects, so IH might open me up more. I have a second date with the guy today. I’ll try Rev. 32 with IH and see how that goes. I want to see if IH will sufficiently warm up 32 without needing IG. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/236 "2016-04-15T14:27:28Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > This is where I find a single molecule can really change the dynamic of things. A314 by itself I am all about no nonsense and get shit done and get out of my way I am the commander here and this is how things are going to work. > > When I add P96 to A314 I get a fallout, sexual side out of A314 and the P96 just brings out this side and tones down the seriousness and commanding part of the A314. It doesn’t soften it and is still there, just changes how the A314 is perceived. > > I find A314/P96 older women love this and It hits hard with 40-45 and up age range especially with Hispanics. I’ll have to retry A314 and P96. I’ve done it before, but it seems to work best when I use it after I’ve already established rapport with a guy. I’ve tried this combo at social events, and I had a hard time gaining traction with guys. I don’t know if they perceived me as emotionally needy. However, if I establish rapport with a guy and use P96 on a subsequent date, then I see them really warming up to me. But, not so on first meeting. Maybe it’s different with Rev. 32, which I know is what you have. My previous attempts were with Royale, which is a different vibe than 32. But you’re right that a single molecule can change how a formula is perceived. Finally got P77 (10 mcg) and androstenone (5 mcg). I’m looking forward to experimenting with them and see how they change both A314 and IG. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/237 "2016-04-15T17:25:00Z")
Awesome can’t wait to read your P77 report. The only issue I had was the lethargic effect 2-3 hours in on P77, but otherwise it is very underrated. I am interested also in your use of None instead of TUTH. I think TUTH is more intense than None by itself, but the P77 should round out the None nicely instead of the P79 in TUTH which just seems to amplify the None. P77 should also amplify the None, but my theory is it should be much more smooth and less chance of OD than with the TUTH. You are totally right on the P96 as it does take some time to work with. What I do is try a little [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) at first then switch over to the P96 if I think things are going somewhere or I am interested in someone. The P74 I say low because it can kill the attraction or sexual factor and you come off as more a friend than anything else. I notice a lot of users use 10-20MCG P74 where I stay around 5-10MCG for dating or meeting someone new. Keep us updated on your combos. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/238 "2016-04-16T15:30:07Z")
**PHEROMONES:** 2 drops A314 (Rev. 32) 2 sprays IH (forearms) Rev32 is a bit edgy for me when I wear it solo. I can get bossy if I’m not careful of my attitude. I’ve used IG with Rev32, and it smooths it out nicely. I wanted to see if IH also smooths out Rev32. I had a second date with the guy from post #231. It’s essentially the same combo, minus IG. **OBSERVATIONS:** After putting on the mones, I completely forgot about them. I didn’t feel the surge of confidence that I normally do with A314. Overall, I felt normal and in a good mood. I got to his place, he greeted me like any friend would. We sat on the couch and chatted a bit. This guy is a huge gamer, a bit of a geek. I forgot to mention in my previous post that he’s 43. Doesn’t bother me that he’s a gamer. The fascinating thing is that he’s a househusband. His wife works, and he stays home, cleans the house, and makes dinner. When not doing house chores, he works out (quite beefy), plays video games, and works on various projects. So he has time during the week days, which is quite handy for me. We decided to play some games, but his software needed to do an update. While waiting for it to update, he moved closer to me on the couch and gave me that sly smile guys give when they’re feeling frisky. So we kissed and got into it. Eventually we moved to the bedroom. Sex was incredibly physical, especially for being with a guy the first time. We tried out numerous positions and tired ourselves out. Even when we rested and cuddled, that was also very physical. This guy enjoys firm body contact, as I do, so he was extremely receptive to my touch. We continued with sex for over an hour! But mostly because I had a difficult time climaxing. I often have trouble climaxing when I overheat, and I overheated. Sweat dripping down my face, panting to catch my breath, needing to rest often. He was also covered in sweat and breathing heavy. Afterwards, we laid in bed and chatted. The after sex was mutually tender and intimate. We then showered, got dressed, and headed to a local Mexican restaurant for a bite to eat. We were famished! **ASSESSMENT:** Yeah, IH did it’s job. Rev32 brought sensuality to the table, while IH brought dispassion, yet closeness. Even though sex was very physical, it wasn’t animalistic like when I wear TUTH. With TUTH, there is a high level of focus, intensity and magnetism that propels sex. With A314 and iH, I experienced a certain level of lightness - “Let’s try this position… Now this position… Hey, you want to try this position?” It was about having fun rather than having sex. In fact, there were moments when we laughed because we wore ourselves out. I also feel this type of dispassion when I wear IH solo. There’s really nothing to hide. The funny thing was that I had intended to take things slowly, get to really know the guy, build a level of trust, and establish a friendship before having sex. I guess IH sped that up. I don’t have any regrets, though. The guy is totally cool. I flirted with him when we were eating at the restaurant. He appreciated that. I told him that the next days I have free are Thursday and Friday. He said, “OK, we’ll get together on Thursday and Friday.” I laughed. I also appreciate not having romantic feelings involved, which sometimes stirs up when I have sex with a guy. I didn’t get any sense of that with this guy, either coming from me or coming from him. The after sex was tender and intimate, but it felt more like an appreciation of having a good time. He feels like a good friend, a buddy I can hang with and mess around on occasion. Nothing more than that. In fact, we talked about having a meet and greet with the spouses. That would be interesting! Since it’s highly likely I’ll see him regularly, I’ll have many opportunities to test out various combos with him. I’m also running out of IH. I might try out beta-androstenol instead. The neroli scent of IH is tolerable for me, but I want to get all of my mones in World scent whenever possible. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/239 "2016-04-18T18:28:05Z")
Great report. You seem to have got a fair share of IH self-effects on this occasion? ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/240 "2016-05-08T15:45:33Z")
**PHEROMONES:** 5 mcg Androstenone (5 mcg/spray) 2 sprays IH Had a second date with the guy from post #231. This was actually about 2 weeks ago. I’ve been super busy, and only now I have time to write a report. Since A314 has androstenone in it, and I have used A314 with IH successfully with this guy, I decided to try androstenone and IH together. **OBSERVATIONS:** This guy is fairly tall, 6’5" (196 cm), 10 inches (25 cm) taller than I am! He also has a linebacker build, so he looks very intimidating. The irony is that he’s very quiet and mild mannered. At least in public. When he got to my home, he gave me a kiss. We talked briefly about what to do for the day. We decided to have lunch first and see a movie. If we had time after the movie, we would head back to my place for some bedroom activity. So we got into my car and drove to an eatery that he wanted to try out. During the drive, he was very quiet. I had a hard time engaging him in conversation. This was different than the previous two times we met. During lunch, I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary with him or with anyone around me. No extended eye contacts and such. With him, he seemed like any of my regular friends. While we were finishing our meal, I decided to double check the time for the movie. I had wanted to see it a couple days prior, so I knew what time it started, but I figured I should check again. Glad I did because the theater changed the show time. It had already started 5 minutes prior, and we were at least 15 minutes away. So I told him, “Bummer. I guess we’ll just have to spend the rest of the day at my house.” He smiled and nodded. In the bedroom, it almost felt too familiar with him. It felt routine, even though this was only the second time we’ve had sex. Sex wasn’t as intense as the first time when I wore A314 and IH. Still, we both had a good time. I overheated a couple times and needed to rest, so it wasn’t at all passionless. It was simply less intense. Afterwards, we showered and got dressed. We talked about when to meet next. I told him the next week or so would be extremely busy for me, so I’ll need to text him when I see some free time coming up. He then gave me a big hug and left. **ASSESSMENT:** Not sure what to make of this combo. Either I need to increase androstenone and/or ditch IH. It felt too comfortable with him, almost like we’ve been together for a while. That might be the effects of IH. Looking back at my reports, this was the third time I wore it around him, so maybe it’s time to ditch it. I also didn’t feel the sexual intensity from androstenone. Maybe IH tempered it too much or I simply didn’t use enough given my age or situation. At the very least, nothing terribly negative happened other than the drop in sexual intensity. I got another report coming up of me using 20 mcg androstenone, so stay tuned! ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/241 "2016-05-14T14:26:18Z")
**PHEROMONES:** 4 sprays Androstenone (5 mcg/spray, applied to neck) 1 spray P96 (20 mcg/ spray, applied to arms) Hooked up with the guy from posts 231, 237, and 239. I had been working two weeks straight without any days off, so I was really craving for some stress relief. The last combo I wore with him was 5 mcg androstenone and IH. That was a pretty boring combo, so this time I decided to really amp up androstenone to 20 mcg. I used P96 to temper it. I also ditched IH. I don’t think I need that with him anymore since we’ve already felt comfortable with each other. **OBSERVATIONS:** Since it was pretty obvious why I was going to his home, I might as well cut to the chase. WOW! Sex was incredible!This guy likes it rough, and I’m so glad I was able to deliver. Lots of grabbing, passionate kissing, moaning… everything! I was worried that I would have been too stressed from my workload to get into sex, but once we got going, it was like the flood gates opened up and a massive wave of sexual energy surged through. At times he’d bury his face near my app points, and he’ll become even more aggressive, grabbing my hips and letting me know he wants more. I mean, this guy likes it rough and he was pretty aggressive about encouraging me to be rough. Not so much verbally, but physically he’d let me know what he wants. He’s an aggressive bottom, if you know what I mean. One thing he’s really into is choking. I didn’t write about it earlier, but the first time we were together, he would grab my hands and place it on his neck. I would then grab his neck, and the firmer I gripped it, the louder he’d moan. At first, I was taken aback. I was’t prepared for that level of physical intensity, but eventually I got into it. This time he didn’t have to encourage me to choke him. I frequently grabbed his neck firmly in my hands and he’d writhe in intense pleasure. Sometimes I’d grab his neck with one hand while stroking him with the other. While he’s in a moment of ecstasy, I’d also say to him in a soft and very deep, growling voice, “Yeah, that’s right buddy. That’s right.” His neck is particularly erogenous for him, so I felt like I was doing him a favor, almost in a compassionate, yet sadistic, way. Sex with this guy is a workout! I had to take several breaks because I kept overheating. During our breaks, we’d cuddle together. At one point during our cuddling, he told me he was very glad that we got along. He was also glad that I can be rough with him since most guys are afraid to be rough. I mean, this guy likes to be dominated. The odd thing was that I enjoyed dominating and being rough with him. It was a side of me I didn’t know existed until I met this guy. Two hours later, we finally orgasmed. Yeah, that was a long session! Afterwards we showered, got dressed and went to a local BBQ joint. We were hungry! **ASSESSMENT:** Yeah, this is a combo worth trying again. At least with this guy, 20 mcg of androstenone brought out an unexplored side of me, a somewhat dark and sadistic nature. P96 also played a role during our cuddling time. He seemed very appreciative of me being there. We had tender moments of light kissing and caressing. He sometimes thanked me when I gave him a peck on his forehead. P96 might have also rounded the rough edges of my dark dominant nature. I really felt like I was doing him a favor by being rough with him. He wanted it, and I got pleasure by giving him what he wanted. I’m definitely going to try this combo with other guys. My dominant nature came out only because of the chemistry of this particular guy I was with, so I’m really interested in seeing what emerges when I’m with other guys. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949.md?page=11) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949.md?page=13)