# An Older Gay Male Perspective **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [September 15, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949 "2015-09-15T15:45:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/121 "2015-11-17T02:10:14Z")
Curious, what were your points of app? ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/122 "2015-11-17T02:22:07Z")
> [@Conjurator](#): > > Curious, what were your points of app? I applied A314 on my jawline and IShine to the front of my neck. We hugged when we first met up, so he got a good whiff of the mones from the start. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/123 "2015-11-17T03:28:50Z")
Hank, I had not seen your post #116 yet for some unknown reason. Very nice work and logical explanations on your part. As I’ve been saying from the start, your journal is a pleasure to read even for straight people, such as me, because attraction is an universal thing. Sexual orientations just cannot be switched. I just had to join fellow users and nominate that post too. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 12:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/124 "2015-11-17T12:06:00Z")
Wow great post Hank on sexual orientation. You got my vote as well. If the person that nominated you is who I think it is that speaks volumes about that post and your work with pheromones. That post has got me really excited to start testing on the women’s pheromones now. I think you bring a lot to the table and I am curious on how these things work and to understand the whole gender differences and sexual orientation. You and Lillian have really opened my eyes on these things seeing both of you having the luck you do with using the pheromones you do. Great Work!!! ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/125 "2015-11-17T17:21:12Z")
**SITUATION:** Second date with school teacher (post #120). It’s Monday evening, and we were texting each other. He said that we should go out sometime to shoot pool. I jokingly said something about meet up later in the evening. I didn’t think he’d take me seriously since it was a school night for him. He said he wouldn’t mind staying up late, so we met at a local bar a bit late in the evening. **PHEROMONES:** 2 drops A314 (Royale) 2 sprays IH (1x) to neck I had meant to spray IH on my arms, but out of habit, I sprayed it on my neck. I will not make that mistake again! **OBSERVATION:** We met at the tavern and loaded up an empty pool table. I figured he’d kick my butt since the last time I played pool was over 20 years ago in my mid 20s. He’s been playing regularly. He starts with the break. I have no idea what was up with him, but he missed the rack of balls on his first two attempts! I grabbed the cue ball and told him he’s had enough chances. I’ll break. We played three rounds of pool, and each time I kicked his butt! I seemed to be in my groove. I told him it was the Jack Daniels. He would also make comments like, “Go in! Go in!” Then I’d say, “That’s what she said.” He’d make other comments about balls and such, and each time I’d laugh out loud because I’d turn it sexual. After kicking his butt at pool, we sat at a table. I figured it was time for “the talk” - sexual history, diseases, and what not. We both shared candid information about that. And then I started blabbing about my life story, how I changed careers, the work I do now, what I enjoy most about it. After a while, I remembered I had sprayed IH to my neck. Holy crap! I apologized to him for being so chatty. I blamed it on the Jack, but he said he enjoyed listening to me talk about my passions. He invited me back to his place to soak in the hot tub. I accepted. The rest is history. **ASSESSMENT:** Do NOT apply IH to your neck! I repeat, do NOT apply IH to your neck! Man, I was a chatterbox, especially after two rounds of Jack Daniels. Fortunately I didn’t reveal anything too personal, but it was interesting to see how chatty I got. I also think IH (combined with Jack Daniels) loosened me up a bit to make sexual innuendos and talk about whatever came to mind. I also think A314 affected his game of pool. He missed shots and scratched several times, while I was in the zone, even after 20+ years. A314 might be great in a competition setting! The time at his place was also very intimate, more emotionally intimate this time. Could be a factor of IH. I left his home at 1 AM. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/126 "2015-11-20T17:18:53Z")
**SITUATION:** LGBT game night at a gay-owned tavern. **PHEROMONE:** 1 spray P130 (12.5 mcg/spray) I’m testing this putative at Von\_Phero’s suggestion. He’s straight, but when he uses it, he reports that gay men openly express their attraction towards him. He thought this might be useful for gay men to wear. **ASSESSMENT:** Unlike other pheromones, I didn’t notice any self-effects. No surge in confidence, no mood elevation, no change in perception. I also didn’t notice any hits. Guys didn’t seem to give me any special treatment or lingering eye contact, even though we were in a gay bar, a relatively safe and friendly environment. Guys also didn’t touch me or invade my space. I know that P130 is one of the ingredients in [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), a product geared for guys in their early to mid 20s. It could be that my persona doesn’t jive with this putative. I’ll continue to test it in similar settings, but at higher dosages. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/127 "2015-11-20T17:34:29Z")
Try 2x shine with half a spray of that p130 you got.. Those two together are very synergistic and universal… Trust me on this one buddy I’m not the only one who reports male attention when wearing this phero. It also goes with just about everything and it is very subtle, but is a sly horse. I took me a whole Togo of p130 to finally realize it was good shit. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/128 "2015-11-20T17:38:54Z")
I’d just like to add I rarely wear it solo but did this week.. It very much gives you an image of good health/ youth and just smooths out social interactions. Goes great with a314,p96,shine. At doses of 5-20 I get males wanting to help me. If I go higher they want me to help them. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/129 "2015-11-20T17:44:55Z")
> [@von\_phero](#): > > I’d just like to add I rarely wear it solo but did this week.. It very much gives you an image of good health/ youth and just smooths out social interactions. Goes great with a314,p96,shine. At doses of 5-20 I get males wanting to help me. If I go higher they want me to help them. Do you think 12.5 mcg is too little or too much for someone like me? I want to try it solo at least one more time before adding IShine. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/130 "2015-11-20T17:55:54Z")
Its probably a good dose for you at 12.5mcg but I find it effective at lower doses. Solo I run 10mcg in a mix I run ~6mcg. Its not going to do a great deal for you solo trying to pick up. An instance where I would wear it solo would be one on one interactions with someone you’ve already met or for its anti anxiety like effects. As it is a subtle phero with no apparent negatives it works best in a mix. My simple social mix is p130/shine. I can add that to a314, ig, ammo or just about anything.. One thing to notice is a higher dose will give you a more youthful look. So maybe add it to mixes you’ve already tried and know and see how it effects them. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/131 "2015-11-20T18:02:11Z")
Cool! Thanks for the additional info. I’ll try it solo at 2 and 3 sprays before trying it with IShine. IShine already gives me a youthful effect, so I want to make sure what I experience is indeed coming from [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/). On the other hand, maybe A314 might be a better pairing since I already know what A314 with IShine is like. I can compare the two combos. But I want to make sure I find my sweet spot P130. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/132 "2015-11-20T18:08:45Z")
I find they both give you a youthful look and when I wear this combo I always get comments saying I look healthy, even on a few hours sleep and a raging hangover! With both p130 and shine I dont find the effect differs much at different doses. Just the intensity. Anyway what works for me very well may not work for you in the same way. Good luck buddy. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/133 "2015-11-24T18:04:15Z")
**SITUATION:** Third date with school teacher This date occurred exactly a week after we had our first date. I offered to cook him dinner at his home since he doesn’t cook at all. I figured making him dinner would be a good way to get to know each a bit more and have quality time one-on-one, yet in a private setting rather than at a restaurant. **PHEROMONES:** 2 drops A314 (Royale) 1 spray P96 (20 mcg/spray, World scent) 2 sprays IH (1x) on my arms **OBSERVATIONS:** After arriving at his home, he hugs me and says I smell nice. That was the World scent he noticed. I then start prepping dinner while he hangs out with me in the kitchen. We’re both drinking beer. We chat about each other’s day and things we enjoy doing. He set the table romantically with a candle. During dinner, he expressed his appreciation for the fine effort and we chat about some mundane stuff. After dinner, he turned on some soft music and lit his gas fireplace. We then cuddled on the couch, but it was a lot more tender than the previous two times. It had a much different tone - sensitive, quiet, serene. In fact, we rarely spoke for about 20 minutes while we listened to music, watched the fire, and cuddled. Later, we went to his bedroom and… well, you know. Anyway, during a time when we rested from being physical, he confessed that he was confused. He was developing feelings and affection towards me, which he didn’t know what to do with. I also agreed that the type of connection we were experiencing was very different than the typical FWB I’ve had in the past, but I didn’t understand his confusion. He’s trying to establish a long distance relationship with a guy on the other side of the continent. (I already knew about this.) He was either planning on moving there, or having the guy move here. Having feelings towards me threw a monkey wrench into the scheme. I let him know that I’m not at all afraid of his feelings. I’m a big boy, and I understand the art of communication. I know how to support someone in his experience while remaining objective. Besides, I’m poly. Developing a secondary romantic relationship in addition to my primary relationship is something I’m accustomed to. I told him he has two choices. Either end the physical intimacy now and just be friends (it’s early enough that we’ll both get over it fast), or he can continue playing with fire. He chose fire. At least for the time being. **ASSESSMENT:** I wasn’t sure about sharing this experience because, frankly, it left me in a funk. While I was a bit surprised by how quickly he had feelings for me, I was more surprised that he was confused by them. Despite choosing fire, I got the sense that he may extinguish it at anytime if he doesn’t know how to manage his emotions. I don’t like having this hanging over our friendship. The last time I saw him, I wore A314 and IH. This time I added P96. The three definitely hastened his feelings and deepened the connection between us. The tender cuddling on the couch was something I might experience with a guy after a month or more of dating. He obviously seemed very comfortable with me and willing to show his tenderness readily. The pheromones have definitely encouraged him to do so. Again, I’m not at all afraid of this, though it wasn’t what I was expecting. I welcome the experience because it is very pleasant and a refreshing break from some lackluster FB I’ve had this summer. Fortunately we have a week apart since he’s going to Canada for Thanksgiving. This may give him time to sort through his feelings and get in touch with what he really wants. We’ll definitely talk when he gets back, but I need to assess if P96 and IH would still be appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/134 "2015-11-24T18:24:34Z")
Curious. Has he at least met that guy or is it just an online thing? ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/135 "2015-11-24T18:37:43Z")
He met the guy in person. The guy traveled here twice, and he traveled there once. He will go again for Christmas. They met online through a dating site. Their first meeting in person was in June. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/136 "2015-11-24T18:38:08Z")
Sounds like you have made the perfect fallout mix and it hit him hard. I think the A314/IH by itself is a fallout mix but you added the P96 which really made it a big fallout mix. I think this is what is effecting his emotions so much this time was the P96. Depending on what you want to happen you could continue with this mix or if you want to maybe steer a little clear of the emotional attachment I would change out the P96 or IH one or the other and this should eliminate some of the emotional factor and you could continue having this secondary relationship maybe without to many issues. I would trade one of them out for maybe like IS and this way it would turn the mix into maybe more of a fun thing instead of the emotional feelings. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/137 "2015-11-24T18:39:59Z")
Hmm… Conjurator, I’m glad you brought that to my attention. Now you got me thinking. That really puts him in a new light for me. I think I’m understanding the situation a bit more. Now I’m glad I wrote about it. It’s nice to get nudged and see it from different perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/138 "2015-11-24T18:47:49Z")
I’m just trying to ask the questions I would ask if I was in that situation. Often, it is easier to do when you’re not, actually. Just don’t be the one ending up being scorched. These long-distance stories seems so darn romantic in some minds that they’ll never really get over it and pursue them no matter what. That’s why so many scammers in the world use that technique online (not saying that this is the situation here, of course). They just know which buttons to push. ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/139 "2015-11-24T18:48:51Z")
Yeah, Justintime, you’re definitely right. Frankly, I didn’t quite understand what fallout meant, but now I know! OY! Anyway, after Conjurator’s question, this got me thinking that he already had the propensity for deep romantic feelings. He’s having a long distance relationship that doesn’t fulfill the physical and emotional needs at the moment. I come along reeking of pheromones, and now he’s directing his needs towards me. This is making sense now. A bird in the hand, I suppose. Damn, and I thought I was such the stud! 🙂 Well, I’ll switch out P96 for IShine. I’ll keep IH because I still want him to share his feelings freely, especially when we talk again about how to deal with this situation. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949/140 "2015-11-24T18:51:37Z")
You know what Conjurator does make a great point. So yes I do think a few things are taking place hear on top of your fallout mix. So if you like him and have fun and you both are ok with things I would just steer the mix a little different and maybe more in a fun way. I think you got it with the ditching the P96 for IS I think I would do the same thing. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949.md?page=6) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-older-gay-male-perspective/64949.md?page=8)