# Ancient Asian Phero secrets **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 26, 2008, 8:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652 "2008-01-26T08:47:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fre4ko](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fre4ko/32/2260_2.png) [@fre4ko](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fre4ko)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2008, 8:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/1 "2008-01-26T08:47:29Z")
Hey guys! I JUST GOT MY PHEROS DELIVERED OMGGGOSH DAMN EXCITED (ammo, instant female magic, instant shine)… and damn instant shine smells fantASTIC! Only complain was my ammo was abit lesser in quantity as compared to the rest maybe it spilled or something on the way i dunoo 😕 … ANyway, as you guys might have read in the intro forum, im a dude from Singapore in my 20s… im in university now actually and boy are there lots of pretty girls. Im gettin pretty desperate (still a virgin, only had one girlfriend) but i dont really want to compromise on my requirements (she muz be hAWT!) haha… For asian girls right, they’re kinda more conservative. Meeting some girl and asking her out the NEXT DAY or WEEK even is almost IMPOSSIBLE without at least talking to her abit more after the first meeting to build some level of comfort (which i seem to have a major problem in). Any one has any idea how receptive asians are to pheros? Which part of my body should i spray my stuff and how many sprays do i need? I hope this thread can develop into a asian girls study hahaha… ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2008, 10:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/2 "2008-01-26T10:37:45Z")
Hello Fre4ko! First of all, welcome to the Phero-users world! So, I’ve see that you bought AMMO. Yeah, that’s a quite good item. What else did you buy? I’m asking this, so we can give you some better advice. As you said, I also know a bit about Asian costumes, and the conservative stuff too… So, what could I tell you? I’d suggest to start with some social Pheros, just to make her comfortable. Some people say that for Asian boy it can be ok to use also products with NONE (like AMMO or Turn Up The Heat), while for Causcasians it’d be less adviseable towards Asian girls. If you want some example, give a look to my journal and my results in Japan, but think that I’m Caucasian so my result could not match with your situation. Anyway, I usually suggest to use some socials frist. Ok, for now it’s all. I wish you good time with the girl! See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![perronec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/perronec/32/1280_2.png) [@perronec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/perronec)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2008, 12:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/3 "2008-01-26T12:06:36Z")
be careful with -none mx 200 can be great My favorites were A314 and instant openness. My issue was getting them to open there mouths. The [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) really really helped in that area.during the day, in non date situations, i liked the A314(sometimes as much as 5 drops), maybe with just a little instant shine(never more than 1 spray). I found that most of the girls i met were really sensitive to the actual smell of instant shine, but it worked great on them. MX200 was always used in conjunction with one of the ‘uppers’ like Instant Openness or IS. P74 sort of puts you in friend mode a little quicker than I’d like. but if you have a strong personality that should be less of an issue. I have a thread in A314 insiders section. "**A314 asian testing thread(I’m in China)"** And and MX200 thread for you > [@If you like Asian born women, Mx200 is a must](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-you-like-asian-born-women-mx200-is-a-must/5014): > > Last night I had a boat trip to attend with several hundred of my classmates. (almost all Asian, I am in Shanghai, China) The mix 3 sprays of 2x Instant Openess 3 x MX200 1x shine I got on the bus, which was 2 seats short of full capacity, and sat down in one. It was the back row of seats, and I was seated directly in the middle of a group of 4 Japanese friends. The mx200 didn’t really kick in till later I don’t think. anyway, the busride was fun. I was using a mix of Chinese and Engli… ---
**Author:** ![mothra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mothra/32/995_2.png) [@mothra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mothra)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/4 "2008-01-26T19:41:01Z")
> [@perronec](#): > > be careful with -none > mx 200 can be great > > My favorites were A314 and instant openness. > > My issue was getting them to open there mouths. The Instant Openness really really helped in that area.during the day, in non date situations, i liked the A314(sometimes as much as 5 drops), maybe with just a little instant shine(never more than 1 spray). I found that most of the girls i met were really sensitive to the actual smell of instant shine, but it worked great on them. > > MX200 was always used in conjunction with one of the ‘uppers’ like Instant Openness or IS. > > P74 sort of puts you in friend mode a little quicker than I’d like. but if you have a strong personality that should be less of an issue. > > I have a thread in A314 insiders section. > "**A314 asian testing thread(I’m in China)"** > > And and MX200 thread for you > [If you like Asian born women, Mx200 is a must](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-you-like-asian-born-women-mx200-is-a-must/5014) ^^ haha yeah, I want to order mx200 after reading your thread b/c my gf is asian and I love asian women, but I guess I have to be a little more active on the forum to be allowed to purchase the test mixes? ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/5 "2008-01-26T21:43:48Z")
Hi Guys! I think that Perronec (Hello Perronec!) said very good things. So, be careful with NONEs, the girls could get a bit scared. You can also find some NONE inside A314, but it’s not much. I think that the only small problem is about the putatives and MX. It’s better you first ask to Jasmin before putting them into your shopping cart, as some products are sold only to the experienced people, as some things are experimental. Just ask first and much likely they’ll sell it to you. Ok, as I also love Asian girls so much, I can’t wait that you’ll keep us updated on your testings!!! See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/6 "2008-01-27T00:58:10Z")
I live in K-town and almost everybody I live with, teach and work with are Asian. And, yes, pheromones most definitely work with Asian women. Deep down inside we’re all about the same. However, the cultural and social filters are way different between different ethnic groups. And thus your social skills and cultural sensitivity are the main issues here, not pheromones. After all, the human race has reproduced just fine without Androtics products! With a billion Chinese obviously things may work a little too well… I recommend you stick to social enhancement pheromones initially: androstenol and TAA based products such as Scent of Eros, IS, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) or Instant Honesty. They won’t help you if you’re a total dip but will put a nice edge on your presentation and help targets open up and respond. Once you know her better, gradually work in some androstenone. As for Asian women and androstenone, what others have said isn’t totally true for everybody. Yes, East Asian women–Chinese, Korean, Japanese–tend to be more sensitive to it, so tread lightly at first. Asian men tend to produce little androstenone so we usually can wear more than our White and Black brothers. Our Euro and African cousins naturally produce plenty of androstenone so they OD easily when even a small dose is applied. Female responses to androstenone vary considerably with age and ethnic group. I’ve found Southeast Asians–e.g., Vietnamese and Filipinas–tend to be initially very responsive to androstenone. Also, Indian women are pretty fearless downwind of a stiff dose of NPA. Moreover, most Asian women from the mid to late 20s have enough life experience to know a whiff of androstenone means horny time and become aggressive–no fear whatsoever–if they like you. Finally almost all women, even really young ones, get horny and aggressive from androstenone once they know you well enough to feel secure and confident about being intimate with you. One final comment. Asian women tend to be less tolerant of the smell of androstenone than other races. So cover it, and cover it well with cologne or EO. ---
**Author:** ![fre4ko](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fre4ko/32/2260_2.png) [@fre4ko](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fre4ko)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 3:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/7 "2008-01-27T03:07:36Z")
What do you mean ‘less tolerant’ ?? are u referring to ghost effect? im thinking of using 2 sprays of ammo to chest, prob a spray of instant female magic an IShine to each wrist, what do u think? I totalyl agree asian guys cant seem to trigger the attraction feeling with pheros as well as other races ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/8 "2008-01-27T03:18:34Z")
> [@](#): > > What do you mean ‘less tolerant’ ?? are u referring to ghost effect? Sorry, I’m a USA banana and wrote within said cultural context. I meant “less tolerant” of the funky stink of androstenone than White, Hispanic and Black women, the dominant ethnic groups in the USA. Realize that androstenone smells extremely similar to cat piss and workout armpit. Asian women aren’t used to strong BO and thus find the smell of androstenone offensive. As for the “ghost effect,” yes, Chinatown is said to be haunted by the spirits of the many Chinese burned alive in local fires (White rulers getting rid of the “yellow plague”). Lots of dragon dance, firecrackers and gong beating to scare off their spirits next month. ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/9 "2008-01-27T06:42:10Z")
I’m an asian female. Yes pheros work. I dont know which ones though. When I meet a guy and dance close enough to smell him, some smell like your boyfriend and some smell like your friends. And some make you want to get the heck away. Colonges with -none smell like a man. Which I don’t have a problem with. A man’s man always gets the womans attention whether he can hold a convo or not. Sometimes talking too much puts you in the friends category, not neccessarily lovers category. But deep convo really affects the psyche in a mad passionate kind of way. For that IH helps. Beforwarned, guys who are too chatty are usually great best friends, sometimes because he appears gay. Just to let you know, every feminine woman wants an alpha man first, at least on the physical level. The beta male is who she eventually “logically” wants to nest with. Masculine women are opposite. Since they seek to control, beta men usually are their first choice. Culture will define how you should approach her. However, if she has a rebellious streak, she will want tons of -none in a man. If she is a goody goody listens to mommy and daddy she will go for the -nol guy. In super conservative cultures you get extremed between super conservatives wait-to-get-married virgins or you get prostitutes. So even though she may want to jump your bones. There will be a deep subconscious shame to act on it. So for awhile you may just get women who try really hard to ignore you. The topic about Chinese men in Asian American women’s eyes are that the appear too passive. They make great friends and husbands, but not so much lovers. The reason they’ve reproduced in the past has very little to do with pheros. More so to do with family expectations. When your 16 and don’t know any better if your parents tell you marriage and making 10 babies is a good idea you will do it without understanding why. ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/10 "2008-01-27T06:44:58Z")
My bad, posted twice ---
**Author:** ![fre4ko](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fre4ko/32/2260_2.png) [@fre4ko](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fre4ko)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/11 "2008-01-28T03:39:38Z")
In my country, the girls are more conservative with somE wild ones on the side. Alot of virgins from what i know. What products contain -nol instead of -none? Instant shine i hope? cos i have a bottle heh heh… OK this is day 1 of my testing pheros… im in school right now actually lol. I used 1 spray of AMMO to the chest and 1 spray of Instant shine to the CHIN (yes CHIN, i was thinking of pubic/armpit hair was originally designed to evaporate natural pheros naturally, there must be SOME logic to having a moustache or a beard to similar effects) so im testing alittle at a time cos the first time i sprayed WHOoa the smell seemed damn strong to me. I Like the smells thou. Currently im just talking to people i already know and it seems to have quite positive results (more chatty). Im gonna try approaching girls in my class that i DONT know later… update on that soon. ---
**Author:** ![perronec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/perronec/32/1280_2.png) [@perronec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/perronec)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/12 "2008-01-29T01:49:31Z")
It is especially important that you make the first move, sometimes the phero’s give you an aura that you are above them, and thus they will practically hide from you, but if you are forward enough to go after them anyways, it will be bonus points in your favor. ---
**Author:** ![propellerhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e274bd/32.png) [@propellerhead](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/propellerhead)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/13 "2008-01-30T20:56:45Z")
This is an eye opening thread for me and one that makes sense of my own personal experiences. In my limited experience Asian women, at least in SE Asia are far more sensitive to natural [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) than western women. I’ve spent a fair amount of time traveling throughout Thailand and Cambodia and the hits I get while I’m there are ridiculous. I feel like I’m being treated like a rockstar. Nightclubs, bars, airports, convenience stores and almost anywhere in public where I am in proximity with a woman for 15 seconds or more it’s almost always the same. Fawning, almost embarassing amounts of attention. The funniest and most overt event was when I walked into a 7-11 for a band-aid in downtown hard nosed Bangkok. Within 20 seconds of my presence this girl was dressing my wound, applying ointment and applying the bandage. What a trip! I’m a good looking guy but in retrospect I believe my pheromones had her captivated. It’s also been said that Thai woman think falang (foreign men) stink. I think part of this might be due to a lack of hygiene but I’m thinking alot of it is also due to a lack of tolerance for [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) that Caucasian guys put out. I’m an older guy so I don’t put out as much as a guy in his 20s. I also have what I consider impeccable personal hygiene. My experiences tend to be very chatty and warm and huggy with girls in their mid to late 20s. I’m sure there are many cultural issues at play but they really take a shine to my personality and view me as both secure and sexual, almost to the point of being overly clingy. While I may choose to use pheromones to standout and grab attention Stateside, I have no use for them while on holiday in Asia. ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/14 "2008-01-30T22:59:55Z")
Let me tell you about Asian Americans and Any Americans for that matter in Asia. The smell of US dollars is far more attractive than any pheromones. The smell of US dollars in Europe, don’t mean a thang! But is southeast Asia it’s all good just the same. It’s nice to have a handsome man, but its a 100 times better to have a handsome man who has 100 times more money than us… Sad reality, but that is how the culture is set up. FYI, some American men do stink, but not as bad as French men. Hehehe. Is it -none or just plain BO? I think commercial deodorant worsens it. I understand it’s always hot down there. Asian men, probably have adapted so they don’t sweat as much. Come to think about it…they are right! All of my American boyfriend had a funny smell. I really struggle with my relationships with them. My europeans boyfriends smell really sweet (minus lazy frenchy) and they seem to do everything right. No offense to the handsome well groomed indian men, but I personally can’t connect with the eastern indian mans smell no matter how clean or cute he is. Is it pheros or the food we eat? I probably smell like protein shakes and broccoli…hehehe. Probably explains why muscular guys love me… ---
**Author:** ![propellerhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e274bd/32.png) [@propellerhead](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/propellerhead)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/15 "2008-01-31T14:41:12Z")
LOL, Sugarspice there’s no doubt that having what may appear to be a “bottomless ATM card” is a major “cultural factor” in garnering attention anywhere in the world, regardless of what a man’s native currency may be. It doesn’t matter if it’s dollars, euros, pounds, pesos, dong or baht. If there’s enough of it, some one will take notice. Money along with good looks and reasonable hygiene will get your foot in the door. I have to say though, I’ve been around the block a few times and after amassing enough personal experience, I can fairly well gauge the difference between the money grubber “hits” and the hits that result from chemistry. Maybe I’m just a sucker for a pretty face and sweet talk but I’m certain there’s a pheromonal component. However, regardless of the reasons for the “genuine” hits, they will never diminish the joy of my “field trials”. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/16 "2008-01-31T21:57:25Z")
> [@sugarspice](#): > > Come to think about it…they are right! All of my American boyfriend had a funny smell. I really struggle with my relationships with them. My europeans boyfriends smell really sweet (minus lazy frenchy) and they seem to do everything right. No offense to the handsome well groomed indian men, but I personally can’t connect with the eastern indian mans smell no matter how clean or cute he is. Is it pheros or the food we eat? Interesting. This seems to happen a lot when people cross cultures. I have noticed the same when close to Asian females. I got used to it though. Part of it may be food. For instance, a diet high in kim chee, fish, or red meat is likely to leave a distinctive smell. Rancid yak butter is also identifiable. However, I think some of the differences in smell go beyond food. I still noted them when some women of different races/cultures were eating essentially the same diet I was. It was never something that stayed too long. As I became familiar with it it just faded into the background of who the person was. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/17 "2008-01-31T22:45:09Z")
I can easily relate to Sugarspice’s struggles with personal scent. I’ve never experienced problems dating within my own ethnicity–Korean–and those of closely related culture such as Japanese and most SW Asians. I recall the body scents of my Vietnamese GF were so delicious it almost made me feel drunk. However I did struggle with the body scents of some of my White and Black GFs. They simply smelled stronger and it too often was a turn-off. I sorta got used to it, but not completely. Some combination of diet and inherited body chemistry made things too strong for me, especially down south. With that said, I’ve heard of guys–especially French men–that like it stinky, so each to his own. ---
**Author:** ![fre4ko](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fre4ko/32/2260_2.png) [@fre4ko](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fre4ko)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2008, 6:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/18 "2008-02-02T06:14:54Z")
well iv been using ammo and instant shine for the whole week and… … well i noticed that girls that i talk to are more friendly and easier to get along i guess… but no really big incident has happened yet (prob cos i still hav approach anxiety to opening up cute female strangers). Strangers being totally no connection to my life whatsoever, like girls on the street you see or on the subway. I can open conversations with girls that are like in the same lecture, same workshop, even same food queue but its kinda hard for me to approach girls on the street that have totally NOTHING in common with me. Help! i need advice… Oh yea ive been using 1 spray of ammo and 1 spray of IShine, occasionally 1 spray of female magic to the back of my head… is it cos im not using enough dosage to see significant results? Theres this really cute girl i’d like to ask out, any suggestions how to ask her out without sounding like “would u like some dick?”. Asian girls seem particularly sensitive to a guy’s motives, just the slightest hint of you being attracted to her seems to make her think you like her. Btw, the girl i wanna ask out is jus sorta some girl i met at a drawing workshop so i dont really know her that well. Should i get to know her better first or just ask her out argh im confused… ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2008, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ancient-asian-phero-secrets/8652/19 "2008-02-03T01:24:54Z")
The guys who are the most successful with women and have tons of them fawning for them are the ones who act like they don’t need her. Women will not let you in unless she feels whatever she is feeling with you is mutual. If it’s tipped on one side she will be uneased. For instance if she only wants to be friends and you give her too much gifts and attention she will be repelled. If she thinks she has a crush on you because your so cool, cute, nice, hot or whatever, the less she knows how you feel the more she will want and obsess after you. So yes, always get to know her first. The more women you are nice to but indifferent about, the more choices you will have once they decide you’re such a cool person. But they have to decide they want to be turned on by you. Unless you are good at reading body language never blurt out how you feel. Cuz she will feel trapped and obligated. Always ask them how they feel. It shows you are considerate about other peoples feeling. Once she tells you, you win by knowing first without having to reveal. If it’s good…you can say “i feel the same way” and then your back on mutual feeling level. If it’s bad, you can say…“oh…i didn’t mean to make you feel strange…it was just hypothetical…my friend is going through the same thing.”