# Androstadienone 1 and NPA **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 14, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927 "2012-03-14T14:13:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/1 "2012-03-14T14:13:45Z")
Just to make sure.. is this A1 from lovescent? AND which one of these is the correct NPA from lovescent? order A1 and NPA so just making sure it was the correct ones that everyone else is getting. Also can some one help me with what they mean in the forums about these 2 on “diluting” them? and how do you do that? I read that since im young (21) that it would be best to do that then to put it straight on. So what would be the recommended amount/diluting for a young guy? Need help please 😕 Thanks ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/2 "2012-03-14T14:29:26Z")
Yes on both counts - the only difference between the NPAs is volume - the 15ml is the more cost effective. Also the “half strength” A1 from LS is actually the same strength but in a 5ml quantity. Aso remember that Bruce at LS has stated that A1 is already in NPA and other Lacroy products but he has never given a hint at proportion/amount. Yes, diluting both of them is best - The NPA dropper is in no way accurate and you do risk rampant OD/smelly problems by using it straight, it is also pretty poor diffusion from a drop application. Mixing with a moderate strength cologne is the best way IME. Lighter colognes (eg CK Eternity) will only provide effective cover for the lowest dilutions. As to what to use - This is where you need to do some testing yourself - “Standard” dilution NPA is 1ml NPA plus 5ml cologne but at my age I’ve used all sorts of doses and had results with 1+4, 1.5+3.5 and 1.75+3.25 in differing strength colognes and with different numbers of sprays. These days I mainly use 1+4 in moderate cologne and 1.5+3.5 in a pretty potent one. There are good threads various tactics for using NPA here already. As a younger guy, you may want to go lower still but that’s up to you. Much of the above holds true for A1 and initially anyway, you might want to mix that in a separate togo until you find the dose/proportion that works for you. If you have not already read K-Trains excellent A1 guide, I suggest you do so now - it contains all you need to know. 🙂 > [@Androstadienone Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668): > > I’ve been thinking about doing this for the longest time but recent events have finally pushed me to do this. In an effort to cut down on the repeated questions, but at the same time encourage more result oriented posts I am making this A-1 guide. Please remember I am NOT a scientist, but merely a tester who is reporting what he’s seen and also info gathered from other fellow members. Table of Contents Section 1: What is A-1? Section 2: What are the effects of A-1? Section 3: When is the bes… Also the A1 Mix Repository: > [@The A1 Mix Repository](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-a1-mix-repository/42465): > > I saw the thread [Mx297 mix respitory](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx297-mix-respitory/39239) and concluded it is very wise to have a thread to discuss one certain product in relation to and mixed with other products. Ofcourse we must not forget K-Train also has an excellent guide out: [Androstadienone Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668) Currently I have a bottle of 10ml Androstadienone on the way and I am very curious as to how that [pheromone](https://a314.com/) will work out for me. Androstenone doesn’t seem to work for, or I am doing something wrong with it. Androsterone does seem to work for me,… Measuring pipettes are usually sold at pharmacies and if you don’t fancy paying a dollar a pop from AD, you can get a box of a hundred for 5-6 dollars on Ebay. Similarly, if you don’t have any togos, Sephora atomisers are excellent and can be got at most good perfume shops - Their spray volume is known and a few minutes on search here will turn that up. ---
**Author:** ![bestintel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bestintel/32/1883_2.png) [@bestintel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bestintel)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/3 "2012-03-14T14:36:00Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > Just to make sure.. > > is this A1 from lovescent? > AND > > which one of these is the correct NPA from lovescent? > order A1 and NPA so just making sure it was the correct ones that everyone else is getting. Also can some one help me with what they mean in the forums about these 2 on “diluting” them? and how do you do that? I read that since im young (21) that it would be best to do that then to put it straight on. So what would be the recommended amount/diluting for a young guy? Need help please 😕 > > Thanks yep on the A-1 and depending on how much you want to spend both of the NPA they have are good. diluting-Make (a liquid) thinner or weaker by adding water or another solvent to it. you want to add NPA to a cologne of your choice, pick one that covers up the ass smell of none, and with NPA it is concentrated ass smell your going to get. I would start out with a togo of NPA a ta 5:1 ratio of cologne to NPA once you find your sweet spot you can up it to a 4:1 ratio or a 6:1 ratio and so forth. if you want more on NPA look up Whitehall, or Gegogi they are the experts in that area. ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/4 "2012-03-14T14:55:09Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes on both counts - the only difference between the NPAs is volume - the 15ml is the more cost effective. Also the “half strength” A1 from LS is actually the same strength but in a 5ml quantity. So the only difference is the bottle size(volume)? same for the A1? and there is no difference in the strength amount of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/)? > [@mobocaster](#): > > Aso remember that Bruce at LS has stated that A1 is already in NPA but he has never given a hint at proportion/amount. Im planing on using the 2 after i dilute in separate mixes not together.. Unless its a good combo? > [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes, diluting both of them is best - The NPA dropper is in no way accurate and you do risk rampant OD/smelly problems by using it straight, it is also pretty poor diffusion from a drop application. Mixing with a moderate strength cologne is the best way IME. Lighter colognes (eg CK Eternity) will only provide effective cover for the lowest dilutions. Would u recommend buying a few dropper things from the ad store instead and some togo bottles to dilute them into and mix ? i have polo cologne so hopefully that is a good one.. > [@mobocaster](#): > > As to what to use - This is where you need to do some testing yourself - “Standard” dilution NPA is 1ml NPA plus 5ml cologne but at my age I’ve used all sorts of doses and had results with 1+4, 1.5+3.5 and 1.75+3.25 in differing strength colognes and with different numbers of sprays. These days I mainly use 1+4 in moderate cologne and 1.5+3.5 in a pretty potent one. > > As a younger guy, you may want to go lower still but that’s up to you. > > Much of the above holds true for A1 and initially anyway, you might want to mix that in a separate togo until you find the dose/proportion that works for you. Lower as in like .5ml NPA: 5ml Cologne? 1ml NPA: 6-7ml Cologne? or 2ml NPA:5ml Cologne? could u guess with what would be a good amound and what mcgs per spray would you recommend for the A1? (from the guide) Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/5 "2012-03-14T15:14:07Z")
> [@bestintel](#): > > yep on the A-1 and depending on how much you want to spend both of the NPA they have are good. > > diluting-Make (a liquid) thinner or weaker by adding water or another solvent to it. > > you want to add NPA to a cologne of your choice, pick one that covers up the ass smell of none, and with NPA it is concentrated ass smell your going to get. > > I would start out with a togo of NPA a ta 5:1 ratio of cologne to NPA once you find your sweet spot you can up it to a 4:1 ratio or a 6:1 ratio and so forth. > > if you want more on NPA look up Whitehall, or Gegogi they are the experts in that area. Thanks! i actually looked up NPA after reading ur journal 🙂 but im still confused about diluting.. how would i do that? Do i get the amount of A1/NPA that i want and put it into an atommizer? then how do i get the spray of cologne to the correct amount of ml i need? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/6 "2012-03-14T15:42:36Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > So the only difference is the bottle size(volume)? same for the A1? and there is no difference in the strength amount of pheromones? > > Im planing on using the 2 after i dilute in separate mixes not together.. Unless its a good combo? > > Would u recommend buying a few dropper things from the ad store instead and some togo bottles to dilute them into and mix ? i have polo cologne so hopefully that is a good one.. > > Lower as in like .5ml NPA: 5ml Cologne? 1ml NPA: 6-7ml Cologne? or 2ml NPA:5ml Cologne? could u guess with what would be a good amound > > and what mcgs per spray would you recommend for the A1? (from the guide) > > Thanks 🙂 No difference in concentration at all, just the amount. Yes, keep them apart so you can vary each till you find the doses that work best for you - then you can mix-up an appropriate combo. Yes, buy a few droppers and **do not** mix them up when mixing. This avoids cross contamination. Ideally, you use a fresh dropper each time. Togo quality is a bit suspect just now (see all the threads about leaks), so maybe it is better to invest in a couple of quality atomisers. Yes - I wouild take it down in smaller amounts and increase the cologne appropriately - so 0.75/5.25, 0.5/5.5 etc - Keep notes and be consistent. Start low - Remember there are potential issues with A1 and you need to see you are not affected. I made a 6.25mcg spray and used one shot at a time for a week, then increased it to 12.5 mcg for another week. After a fortnight, I had adjusted to the negative self effects well enough. I usually mix-up 15mcg these days and rarely need more than 2 sprays of that. In fact I saw surprising hits even at 6.25mcg. If you do start to feel down when first using the stuff - Wash it off straight away, you should recover pretty quickly and you can reapply and continue in a few hours when in a better mood. You don’t need hefty doses of A1 to get results and as it is such a good none moderator, you also need to remember that higher doses may soften any none you are using too much. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/7 "2012-03-14T15:48:10Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > Thanks! i actually looked up NPA after reading ur journal 🙂 > but im still confused about diluting.. how would i do that? Do i get the amount of A1/NPA that i want and put it into an atommizer? then how do i get the spray of cologne to the correct amount of ml i need? Carefully remove the dropper from the NPA bottle and draw-off the required amount with a measuring pippette. If you can get the sprayer off your cologne bottle, then do the same, otherwise use your pipettes to establish a total measure in the togo with water, mark it then use a small funnel and sprays of cologne till you reach the marked volume. ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/8 "2012-03-14T15:59:47Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > No difference in concentration at all, just the amount. > > Yes, keep them apart so you can vary each till you find the doses that work best for you - then you can mix-up an appropriate combo. > > Yes, buy a few droppers and **do not** mix them up when mixing. This avoids cross contamination. Ideally, you use a fresh dropper each time. Togo quality is a bit suspect just now (see all the threads about leaks), so maybe it is better to invest in a couple of quality atomisers. > > Yes - I wouild take it down in smaller amounts and increase the cologne appropriately - so 0.75/5.25, 0.5/5.5 etc - Keep notes and be consistent. > > Start low - Remember there are potential issues with A1 and you need to see you are not affected. I made a 6.25mcg spray and used one shot at a time for a week, then increased it to 12.5 mcg for another week. After a fortnight, I had adjusted to the negative self effects well enough. I usually mix-up 15mcg these days and rarely need more than 2 sprays of that. In fact I saw surprising hits even at 6.25mcg. If you do start to feel down when first using the stuff - Wash it off straight away, you should recover pretty quickly and you can reapply and continue in a few hours when in a better mood. > > You don’t need hefty doses of A1 to get results and as it is such a good none moderator, you also need to remember that higher doses may soften any none you are using too much. so if i get 3 atomiser and dilute to 1:5; 0.75:5.25; 0.5:5.5 which one would i start testing with first? and are the mix ratios for the A1 and NPA the same when using an atomiser as using it from the togo bottle? ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/9 "2012-03-14T16:10:25Z")
if i get the 30 ml bottle with diluent/fragrance would that be good to use with the A1 and NPA instead of my polo cologne? which fragrance would mix best with it? And if i wanted to dilute NPA into a empty 30 ml bottle what ratios would i use? i see what i wouild need from A1 guide for the A1 I tried looking at Gegogi’s post but i couldnt find anything with NPA or A1 info 😕 ---
**Author:** ![stuttgart-man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/stuttgart-man/32/1615_2.png) [@stuttgart-man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stuttgart-man)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/10 "2012-03-14T18:35:44Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > Just to make sure.. > > is this A1 from lovescent? > AND > > which one of these is the correct NPA from lovescent? > order A1 and NPA so just making sure it was the correct ones that everyone else is getting. Also can some one help me with what they mean in the forums about these 2 on “diluting” them? and how do you do that? I read that since im young (21) that it would be best to do that then to put it straight on. So what would be the recommended amount/diluting for a young guy? Need help please 😕 > > Thanks You have made a very good decision with ordering NPA and A1! NPA and A1 mixed together works very great, at least with me. I have mixed 0.6 ml NPA, 0.4 ml A1 with 2.5 ml CoolWater in a 5ml-atomizer (0.125ml / Spray). One spray provides me about 5.15 mcg None from the NPA + 5.15 mcg Secret ingredient + 14.3 mcg A1. Usually I have applied 2 Sprays on my shirt (to prevent that the A1 converts into Nol and None). And the hits were and are GREAT!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/11 "2012-03-14T19:31:42Z")
> [@stuttgart-man](#): > > You have made a very good decision with ordering NPA and A1! NPA and A1 mixed together works very great, at least with me. > > I have mixed 0.6 ml NPA, 0.4 ml A1 with 2.5 ml CoolWater in a 5ml-atomizer (0.125ml / Spray). One spray provides me about 5.15 mcg None from the NPA + 5.15 mcg Secret ingredient + 14.3 mcg A1. > > Usually I have applied 2 Sprays on my shirt (to prevent that the A1 converts into Nol and None). > > And the hits were and are GREAT!!! 😃 So u just mixed ur cologne, NPA and A1 together into one?😮 whats your age? ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/12 "2012-03-14T19:33:18Z")
Oh and forgot to ask are NPA and A1 ok to use in college? ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/13 "2012-03-14T21:11:11Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > So u just mixed ur cologne, NPA and A1 together into one?😮 whats your age? uhmmm…yeah. So did I and a large number of others here. ---
**Author:** ![stuttgart-man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/stuttgart-man/32/1615_2.png) [@stuttgart-man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stuttgart-man)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2012, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/14 "2012-03-15T04:06:03Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > So u just mixed ur cologne, NPA and A1 together into one?😮 whats your age? 37, but the girls who have approached me were about 20 - 25. NPA / A1 is a very good club-mix but dangerous for work or school so my impression, except you use only less NPA and buffers it with for example androsteron. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2012, 9:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/15 "2012-03-15T09:09:23Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > if i get the 30 ml bottle with diluent/fragrance would that be good to use with the A1 and NPA instead of my polo cologne? which fragrance would mix best with it? > > And if i wanted to dilute NPA into a empty 30 ml bottle what ratios would i use? i see what i wouild need from A1 guide for the A1 Yes, that would be fine - one of the stronger fragrances at cologne strength - Akuto or F21. I don’t think [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) would cover it at 6% and might be too much orange at 20%? The ratios stay the same - just adjust the quantities to suit. Don’d mix a whole 30ml till you have worked out what works best for you, it could be quite a waste. Same with the A1 - Don’t mix them together till you know the dilutions that work, then adjust your mix to match your combined dose. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2012, 9:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/16 "2012-03-15T09:12:21Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > so if i get 3 atomiser and dilute to 1:5; 0.75:5.25; 0.5:5.5 which one would i start testing with first? and are the mix ratios for the A1 and NPA the same when using an atomiser as using it from the togo bottle? I would tend to start with the 1:5 and then go up or down depending on your results. Yes, they stay the same, just the spray volumes can be different, which can have an effect on the total number of sprays you need to use. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2012, 9:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/17 "2012-03-15T09:18:49Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > Oh and forgot to ask are NPA and A1 ok to use in college? I’ll wear a spray or two of a milder dillution NPA/A1 on a quiet day at work just for the fun of it but its not really suitable - It can rub people up the wrong way or make them uncomfortable around you. Which is not partiicularly good. A1 on its own is quite suitable but it can also be far too friendly without some none behind it. I wonder if [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) might be a useful none alternative here - Hmmm, must test! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/18 "2012-03-15T20:19:44Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I would tend to start with the 1:5 and then go up or down depending on your results. > > Yes, they stay the same, just the spray volumes can be different, which can have an effect on the total number of sprays you need to use. ok im going to get the 30 ml akuto cologne strength fragrance bottle. The A1 and NPA would mix good with that? Also what ratio would you recommend me to dilute the A1 to according to my age start off with? a good guess would be good 😉 ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/19 "2012-03-15T20:41:03Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’ll wear a spray or two of a milder dillution NPA/A1 on a quiet day at work just for the fun of it but its not really suitable - It can rub people up the wrong way or make them uncomfortable around you. Which is not partiicularly good. > > A1 on its own is quite suitable but it can also be far too friendly without some none behind it. I wonder if P75 might be a useful none alternative here - Hmmm, must test! 😃 Test it out and let me know how it goes 😃 Also would ammo + A1/cologne mix be a good combo? asking cuz i dont know if the something in one of those that would interfere with the other ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927/20 "2012-03-15T20:48:04Z")
> [@stuttgart-man](#): > > 37, but the girls who have approached me were about 20 - 25. NPA / A1 is a very good club-mix but dangerous for work or school so my impression, except you use only less NPA and buffers it with for example androsteron. What would be some good buffers for NPA and A1? also anyone try any good combos with them in separate mixes? just need a lil help to get me an idea [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-1-and-npa/54927.md?page=2)