# Androstadienone Guide **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 11, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668 "2010-04-11T20:21:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/21 "2010-04-18T15:30:10Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > I am wondering if A1 can actually cause decrease in endogenous testosterone production in the long run. Androstenedione is derived from DHEA and can become testosterone. It could negatively feedback and lead to decrease in LH and other gonadotropin releasing hormones. Plus, for a chubby or fat people, too much testerone could be converted to estrogen via aromatase. Things like anone and Androsterone aren’t in the direct synthesis pathway, so I guess there might not be any negative reperucusion, but how about A1 ? Is this why negative reaction might occur? Any thoughts? In all honesty, I doubt using it in the small amounts that we are will have any signficant change in testosterone or gonadotropin levels. They did research on DHEA supplementation to see the effects it has on Testosterone levels and they only found it to have significant effects if given in 500 **mg** or more every day for months. 300mg and less showed no significant changes. We are using it in **micro** grams so when it’s all said and done, we probably aren’t raising Testosterone levels that much. ---
**Author:** ![DssMaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dssmaster/32/1686_2.png) [@DssMaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DssMaster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/22 "2010-05-12T21:49:13Z")
Thanks for posting this guide K-Train, it should definitely become a sticky. Will save so when it’s time to make a batch of it, soon hopefully… ---
**Author:** ![DssMaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dssmaster/32/1686_2.png) [@DssMaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DssMaster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/23 "2010-05-13T00:18:20Z")
Also I read somewhere that A1+TAA+IH makes one really great mix that works wonders for the ladies. Has anyone tried that mix, and can you comment on your results? And please post the exact ratios of each phero in the mix. And which A1 was used (whether LS or Alchemy Labs). ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/24 "2010-06-29T15:31:24Z")
I just mixed my A1 with 4ml of IO…these plastic pippettes are a little wonky and hard to get used to…so Im sure if I put enough A1…I’m using 5ml bottle from LS…but it’s half strength…so frankly I don’t know how much mcgs per spray I’ll be getting? I’m tempted to just drop 2 drops directly and then cover it with IO…LS says it’s half strenth in 5ml…but this bottle is a 5ml bottle so I guess I’d have to have taken out a 1/5 of the bottle…??? whatever, I’m soo not a chemist ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/25 "2010-06-29T20:11:41Z")
excellent excellent write up KT. Mucho thanks ---
**Author:** ![TheBoogieMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theboogieman/32/1136_2.png) [@TheBoogieMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBoogieMan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/26 "2010-06-29T22:13:25Z")
Great info. I probably would’ve been one of the noobs asking something like how to dilute A1 at some point haha. Now I don’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![hoplessly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hoplessly/32/2319_2.png) [@hoplessly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hoplessly)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/27 "2010-06-29T23:18:54Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > I just mixed my A1 with 4ml of IO…these plastic pippettes are a little wonky and hard to get used to…so Im sure if I put enough A1…I’m using 5ml bottle from LS…but it’s half strength…so frankly I don’t know how much mcgs per spray I’ll be getting? I’m tempted to just drop 2 drops directly and then cover it with IO…LS says it’s half strenth in 5ml…but this bottle is a 5ml bottle so I guess I’d have to have taken out a 1/5 of the bottle…??? whatever, I’m soo not a chemist happy are you mixing this in a togo? a togo i believe has 40 sprays. so 4 ml should be 32 sprays. however many drops you use- should be about 20 mcg per drop. so take whatever your total mcg is and divide by 32. ttl mcg = x x/32 = mcg per spray unless my math is wrong. It could very well be. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 5:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/28 "2010-06-30T05:53:47Z")
Well provided the A1 mixes evenly with the whole solution you should have 20mcg for 32 sprays. That would come out to .625 mcg/spray of A1. To reach to reach 6.5 you would need about 10.5 drops. to do 12.5 mcg/spray then you need 20 drops. You wont need to take total [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) of the whole mix because I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) happy was looking for the A1 concentration not the IO. So you just need to take total mcg of A1/32 ---
**Author:** ![APV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/34f0e0/32.png) [@APV](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/APV)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/29 "2010-08-01T14:39:41Z")
Great post, thanks 🙂 I usually use 1 A1 drop with my current mix ( 3xammo, 2xIS, 3xCTTM2 + the A1 drop ) and seems to work fine. Have to start testing it diluted to see how it goes ---
**Author:** ![TheGodfather](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegodfather/32/1812_2.png) [@TheGodfather](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGodfather)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/30 "2010-08-23T20:57:57Z")
I just looked on the LS website, and they offer a ‘‘half strength’’ mixture. ''40-45mcgs of A-1 per drop" Forgive me if I am asking the obvious, but does this mean the half strength mixture is 20-22.5 mcgs? If so, this would save me from having to dilute the formula. Thanks, EDIT: Okay, that is a really dumb question… I guess what I am asking is if 20-22.5 mcgs per drop would still be overkill. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/31 "2010-08-23T21:12:34Z")
> [@TheGodfather](#): > > I just looked on the LS website, and they offer a ‘‘half strength’’ mixture. > > '40-45mcgs of A-1 per drop" > > Forgive me if I am asking the obvious, but does this mean the half strength mixture is 20-22.5 mcgs? > > If so, this would save me from having to dilute the formula. > > Thanks, > > EDIT: Okay, that is a really dumb question… I guess what I am asking is if 20-22.5 mcgs per drop would still be overkill. …I mixed 1ml from the half strength into 5ml of IO and that give me 25 mcgs per spray… ---
**Author:** ![TheGodfather](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegodfather/32/1812_2.png) [@TheGodfather](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGodfather)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/32 "2010-08-23T21:26:06Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > …I mixed 1ml from the half strength into 5ml of IO and that give me 25 mcgs per spray… Thanks, I guess they sell it “raw” and potent, that explains the price. I am not too keen on mixing, but I guess it’s needed. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/33 "2010-08-23T22:15:14Z")
> [@TheGodfather](#): > > Thanks, I guess they sell it “raw” and potent, that explains the price. > > I am not too keen on mixing, but I guess it’s needed. it’s pretty easy…i was a bit aprehensive myself…but just order a dropper from Androtics for like .99 cents and then just siphon out 1ml and drop it into a empty to-go which is a 5ml containor…then add either 4 ml of cologne…or, siphon out 1ml of your favorite 5ml to-go…IS, or IO or whatever you wanna use…it’s really easy. ---
**Author:** ![henk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/henk/32/5189_2.png) [@henk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/henk)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/34 "2010-08-26T15:48:59Z")
Does anyone know if A1 build up like none? ---
**Author:** ![reborn\_alchemist93](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reborn_alchemist93/32/2150_2.png) [@reborn\_alchemist93](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reborn_alchemist93)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/35 "2010-08-26T19:51:27Z")
> [@henk](#): > > Does anyone know if A1 build up like none? As far as I know, no. None tends to build up because its sticks more to you than the nols and A1. Of course A1 can break down into none If its hot and humid enough. I started using the dial magnetic with A1 with it a few weeks ago , anyone else tried it? ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/36 "2010-08-26T20:07:37Z")
> [@reborn\_alchemist93](#): > > As far as I know, no. None tends to build up because its sticks more to you than the nols and A1. Of course A1 can break down into none If its hot and humid enough. > > I started using the dial magnetic with A1 with it a few weeks ago , anyone else tried it? Yeah, there’s a bunch of posters and over at LS who use it. Whether or not it sticks to the skin is up for debate. Some users have experienced “hits” with significant others while wearing it. Me, I started using it over my Axe body wash just in case. I also have A1 from LS that I use. Radman posted something that I do now, and that’s when I do my final rinse with the Magnetic, set the water to cold, that way it shuts the pours close and will help keep the scent and a1 on your body. I was once with it and do a warm rinse, and then a 2nd wash with hair doing a cold rinse. With winter coming, I’m just gonna have to use the A1 from LS LOL ---
**Author:** ![henk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/henk/32/5189_2.png) [@henk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/henk)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/37 "2010-08-26T22:56:21Z")
> [@reborn\_alchemist93](#): > > As far as I know, no. None tends to build up because its sticks more to you than the nols and A1. Of course A1 can break down into none If its hot and humid enough. > > I started using the dial magnetic with A1 with it a few weeks ago , anyone else tried it? Thx! A1 works great for me. But i have some problems with the self effects. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/38 "2010-08-26T22:58:50Z")
> [@henk](#): > > Thx! > > A1 works great for me. > But i have some problems with the self effects. How many mcgs of it are you using? I find that after 50 mcgs or highers I get depressed… But under that, it’s all good in the neighborhood. I don’t think it has build up no…when I did Od once…i went directly into the bathroom and washed it off..within 10 min…all signs of depression had gone. ---
**Author:** ![henk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/henk/32/5189_2.png) [@henk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/henk)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/39 "2010-08-27T00:23:26Z")
25 mcgs is enough to get me depressed. I can fix it with A314. Last weekend i’ve been using 100 mcgs on friday and 50 mcgs on saturday. There where more than 8 hours between the first 50 mcgs (17:00) and the last 50 mcgs (02:00) on friday. Saturday night was a great night and yes i had … with a girl. At 8 in the morning i went home. I took some sleep and when i woke up i was depressed. I was realy fucked up for no reason… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Scipio](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scipio)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/40 "2010-08-29T08:51:29Z")
I’m considering ordering this and making 10-15mcg per spray and seeing how that goes. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668.md?page=3)