# Androstadienone Guide **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 11, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668 "2010-04-11T20:21:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Redstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbce88/32.png) [@Redstone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Redstone)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/101 "2011-02-24T01:12:29Z")
> [@bb151515](#): > > Has anyone used the A1 from liquid alchemy. They sell a small bottle for $20. According to their website “The 10ml **1mg** bottle yields **2mcg per drop** at 500 drops per bottle”. is this a quality product I havent used liquid alchemy labs A1 yet but the company is well respected. I have been very satisfied with their products and wouldnt hesitate to buy from them again. ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/102 "2011-04-13T15:00:19Z")
I just orded from Liquid Alchemy A1 10mg/10ml so I’ll let you know. ---
**Author:** ![Madshock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@Madshock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Madshock)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/103 "2011-04-13T15:05:32Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > **MAKING A-1** : I usually go to Love-scent (do a Google search) and buy it from there. > > After you have your A-1 from Love-scent there are 3 things you can do. The 1st is dilute it in a to-go bottle (explained below), you can dilute it in a 30ml bottle (explained below) or you can just wear it straight from the dropper from LS. ( there are about 40-45mcgs of A-1 per drop) Based on K-trains quote here.. it seems that LS is more value for money in terms of concentration. i was just reading up and was looking to save some dough. I wonder if Liquid labs has better quality ones. 10ml - 10mg bottles LS - $79.99 LL - $$87.97 For Liquid Labs 5mg 10ml = 1/2 of the per drop mcg stated in the quote. LS - $49.95 (5mg/5ml) LL - $47.79 (5mg/10ml) - this im thinking to get the same mcg in a 5ml bottle with double the drop. but prolly will throw the mcg ratios off (A1+IO) with the extra alcohol needed to get the mcg ratio we want. Though I am not sure if the precision is needed. Do correct me if im wrong to the above statement. im still new to the mixing thing. Since im trying out, also because im a poor bloke, Im looking into value for money in terms of mcg.. 😛 Do report back Gotchaz! I’m looking to try A1 real soon! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/104 "2011-04-13T15:48:07Z")
Not trid Liquid Alchmey but LS quality has been just fine for me. Hits & positive responses from the off with it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/105 "2011-04-13T16:24:50Z")
I couldn’t find **Androstenedione on LS so went with LL plus LL says that the 10ml bottle is like 98.9% pure Androstenedione the rest is alchohol I don’t know how much alchohol is in the LS one or how pure it is.** ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/106 "2011-04-13T23:22:16Z")
> [@Gotchaz](#): > > I couldn’t find **Androstenedione on LS so went with LL plus LL says that the 10ml bottle is like 98.9% pure Androstenedione the rest is alchohol I don’t know how much alchohol is in the LS one or how pure it is.** Well, Try Searching for “Androstadienone” at LS that Comes Right Up… Darn All These Chemicals that have Funny Spellings and Easy to Confuse… Note: Androstenedione is Listed Along with Anobolic Sterioids… [Androstenedione](http://www.ergogenics.org/anabolenboek/profiel1en.html) As with All Things I Could be Wrong… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/107 "2011-04-14T01:00:12Z")
LOL Yeah I got the wrong spelling l copied and pasted must have copied the wrong one Androstadienone yeah I found it. Still LS doesn’t say the purity and has a really blurry picture of the bottle. So I have no idea. Others have tried it and are happy. So… ---
**Author:** ![Redstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbce88/32.png) [@Redstone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Redstone)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/108 "2011-04-14T01:18:28Z")
If you have questions about LAL products just contact them through the website. They like AD, seem very helpful and are usually quick to respond. Where ever you end up buying it, I think you guys will love A1 after you find your sweet spot. IFM was my favorite product for a long time ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dc4da7/32.png) [@Professor\_P](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Professor_P)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/109 "2011-08-14T01:40:58Z")
GGGRRRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! I’ve lost this post at least 2 times! _growls_ Third times the charm. Let’s make it quick. In summary… Looking to get some A1 to add to my collection for a mix (Don’t worry. I’m well aware of the possible depression side effects. I’ll be careful). Since they don’t have it here, of course I’ve had to look elsewhere. True Pheromones has “Pure Androstadienone” which comes in Ethanol, Diproplyene Glycol, or powder. I’m going to assume ethanol is best for mixes with PA/etc. For 50 MG at 1mg/ml, you can get a very good deal. Especially if you look up coupons/deals. That being said, anybody have any experience with this product from this company or them in general? It’s a great price for quantity but is it also quality? Do you think it’s worth it to go for it either way? Other than that, I’m assuming K-Train’s ratios would still hold true for this version, yes (being as it isn’t from LS)? That’s about it. Thanks in advance for the help and sorry if this has already been answered somewhere else and I just missed it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/110 "2011-08-14T02:36:26Z")
> [@Professor\_P](#): > > That being said, anybody have any experience with this product from this company or them in general? It’s a great price for quantity but is it also quality? Do you think it’s worth it to go for it either way? That firm is regarded with great suspicion here TBH. For A1, geological delivery times aside, lS is about the best choice for consistant quality. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/111 "2011-08-14T04:54:42Z")
> [@Professor\_P](#): > > GGGRRRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! I’ve lost this post at least 2 times! _growls_ > > Third times the charm. Let’s make it quick. In summary… > > Looking to get some A1 to add to my collection for a mix (Don’t worry. I’m well aware of the possible depression side effects. I’ll be careful). Since they don’t have it here, of course I’ve had to look elsewhere. True Pheromones has “Pure Androstadienone” which comes in Ethanol, Diproplyene Glycol, or powder. I’m going to assume ethanol is best for mixes with PA/etc. > > For 50 MG at 1mg/ml, you can get a very good deal. Especially if you look up coupons/deals. That being said, anybody have any experience with this product from this company or them in general? It’s a great price for quantity but is it also quality? Do you think it’s worth it to go for it either way? > > Other than that, I’m assuming K-Train’s ratios would still hold true for this version, yes (being as it isn’t from LS)? That’s about it. Thanks in advance for the help and sorry if this has already been answered somewhere else and I just missed it. 😛 Yeah I have lots of reports with A1, I’m about to order another bottle soon!!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dracon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dracon/32/1888_2.png) [@Dracon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dracon)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/112 "2011-08-24T03:40:27Z")
> [@Gotchaz](#): > > I just orded from Liquid Alchemy A1 10mg/10ml so I’ll let you know. I have also made an order with Liquid Alchemy. What I don’t know is how do I use their A1? Do I put a drop on my fingertip and then apply it to the back of my neck like A314 or do I mix it with one of my to go bottles? ---
**Author:** ![DotCom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dotcom/32/2152_2.png) [@DotCom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DotCom)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/113 "2011-08-24T04:20:10Z")
> [@Dracon](#): > > I have also made an order with Liquid Alchemy. What I don’t know is how do I use their A1? Do I put a drop on my fingertip and then apply it to the back of my neck like A314 or do I mix it with one of my to go bottles? The best way to do this is buy a pipette (they sell some here at AD for like a dollar each), and follow the guide. A1 is A1, so as long as the concentration is the same, it shouldnt matter where you bought it from. LS is 10mg/10ml. If the sample you bought was 5mg/10ml, then just add twice the A1 per mixture and you will get the same thing in the end ---
**Author:** ![thebigQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@thebigQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thebigQ)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/114 "2011-10-28T02:00:34Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > Section 3: When is the best time to use A-1? > > Although A-1 can be worn at pretty much anytime, the BEST time to see its effects are when a woman is on her period. The effects during this time are usually outstanding, and an immediate mood boost is usually the result. > > Also, A-1 is a great phero to wear on first dates (or any date really) or when you know you’ll have some one-on-one time with a lady. I personally take A-1 with me wherever I go just in case I run into a PMSing woman. > > A-1 can also be used as a buffer in heavy androstenone mixes although be warned that wearing androstenone during a women’s period can still irritate her. > > **TIP:** > > In the case of A-1, “still water runs deep”, meaning that even if you feel like nothing is happening, there can be very strong effects bubbling underneath the surface of the woman you’re around. > > Section 4: How much do I need and how do I make it? > > The recommended dosage of A-1 is 15-50mcgs although there have been cases where users have gone over this amount. It has been documented that going higher than the recommended dosage only increase the like hood of depression while the results on women were equal to that of lower dosages. > > **MAKING A-1** : I usually go to Love-scent (do a Google search) and buy it from there. > > After you have your A-1 from Love-scent there are 3 things you can do. The 1st is dilute it in a to-go bottle (explained below), you can dilute it in a 30ml bottle (explained below) or you can just wear it straight from the dropper from LS. ( there are about 40-45mcgs of A-1 per drop) > > Diluting the A-1 into a to-go bottle. (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) > > To dilute buy some Perfumer’s Alcohol ¶ from Androtics (6% or 20% strength) and pour it into the to-go bottle. Then, pour in your A-1. (I recommend buying pipettes from Androtics, they’re only 1 dollar each.) Alternatively, you can use your own cologne and just use it as a PA replacement in the formulas below. > > MIXING RATIOS FOR TO-GO BOTTLES (also note that a full to-go bottle yields 40 sprays) > > 0.5ml A-1 + 4.5ml PA = 12.5mcgs per spray > 0.6ml A-1 + 4.4ml PA = 15mcgs per spray > 1ml A-1 + 4ml PA = 25mcgs per spray > 2ml A-1 + 3ml PA = 50mcgs per pray > > I’m leaving it at this because anymore than 50mcgs per spray is just a waste. I personally would use the 25mcgs because it insures you’ll only need one or 2 sprays at the most. > > MIXING RATIO FOR 30ml BOTTLES (a full 30ml bottle yields 200 sprays) > > 1ml A-1 + 29ml PA = 5mcgs per spray > 2ml A-1 + 28ml PA = 10mcgs per spray > 3ml A-1 + 27ml PA = 15mcgs per spray > 4ml A-1 + 26ml PA = 20mcgs per spray > 5ml A-1 + 25ml PA = 25mcgs per spray > 6ml A-1 + 24ml PA = 30mcgs per spray > 7ml A-1 + 23ml PA = 35mcgs per spray > 8ml A-1 + 22ml PA = 40mcgs per spray > 9ml A-1 + 21ml PA = 45mcgs per spray > 10ml A-1 + 20ml PA = 50mcgs per spray > > A quick way to do this is by using a pipette, and taking out however many mls of PA, and then replacing it with A-1. > > **EXAMPLE:** So say you want 25mcgs per spray. Simply use a pipette and take out 5ml of PA, then add 5ml of A-1. This can be done for any of the above ratios, and generally takes little time. Just be sure you don’t spill anything! Hey K-Train, I bought some A1 from Love-scent today to try and the ratios posted above do not seem to add up for me. Per their full strength bottle, 1 ml contains 1mg = 1000mcg of A1, so if I add .5ml (500mcg) A1 to 4.5 ml PA in a togo bottle that is 50mcg per spray and not 12.5mcg per spray as you suggest. Care to elaborate or did you get a different strength A1? Thanks in advance. * * * **Consumer Line:** AMMO, A314, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Turn Up the heat, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), Instant Jerk, Come Talk To Me Mix 2 **MX Series:** MX297, MX301, MX330, Project UF, Project UF2, MX412 Putatives: P74, P75, P78, P83, P86, P91, P93, P96 ---
**Author:** ![Joe10](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joe10/32/300_2.png) [@Joe10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Joe10)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/115 "2011-10-28T02:04:48Z")
> [@thebigQ](#): > > Hey K-Train, I bought some A1 from Love-scent today to try and the ratios posted above do not seem to add up for me. Per their full strength bottle, 1 ml contains 1mg = 1000mcg of A1, so if I add .5ml (500mcg) A1 to 4.5 ml PA in a togo bottle that is 50mcg per spray and not 12.5mcg per spray as you suggest. Care to elaborate or did you get a different strength A1? Thanks in advance. Hey 🙂 500mcg/40(sprays) = 12.5 🙂 god bless Joe ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/116 "2011-10-28T02:56:55Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > I’ve been thinking about doing this for the longest time but recent events have finally pushed me to do this. In an effort to cut down on the repeated questions, but at the same time encourage more **result oriented posts** I am making this A-1 guide. Please remember I am NOT a scientist, but merely a tester who is reporting what he’s seen and also info gathered from other fellow members. > > Table of Contents > > Section 1: What is A-1? > > Section 2: What are the effects of A-1? > > Section 3: When is the best time to use A1? > > Section 4: How much do I need and how do I make it? > > Section 5: Final Remarks > > Section 1: What is A-1? > > Androstadienone or as it is more commonly called, A-1, is one of the most abundant pheros on the male body. In other words, if you’re a guy, then you already naturally produce A-1. > > A-1 was the main ingredient in the product Instant Female Magic although its exact dose is still unknown even to this day and it was also paired up with other pheros in that formula. Instant Female Magic has been discontinued from Androtics because of A1 but I’ll get into more detail on that later. > > Some users have dubbed A-1 as the “romantic pheromone” or the “falling in love” pheromone. > > **Section 2: What are the effects of A-1?** > > Like many pheromones, A-1 can produce a variety of effects depending on the person however, it’s most common and consistent effect is it’s calming ability on women. It also serves as a mood booster for women who are feeling depressed due to a variety of factors. It has been reported by women who were exposed to A-1 as a “calm, content, safe feeling”. > > Other reports have shown that A-1 can have a possible “memory” effect in that women will have lingering thoughts on a man that may have worn A-1. This “crush” type effect can be hard to spot but a keen eye and a perceptive mind can key into these subtle reactions although even people like me still miss them sometimes. These signs can range from fidgeting, hair flipping, repeated looks or glances, tighter/longer hugs, hanging around you more, or the infamous “doe eyes”. > > Unfortunately, a small minority of men can become depressed from A-1 although the effects of this “depression” vary. Some men, such as me feel more withdrawn and less social. Others get completely depressed. So it’s generally a good idea to wear A-1 once or twice while in a controlled environment to see if you get any negative side effects. Here are some ways to reduce/eliminate the negative effects (if there are any). > > 1.) Wear A-1 on your arms or on the back of your neck to prevent yourself from inhaling it. > 2.) Wear a mood boosting pheromone like Instant Shine to counteract the effects or prevent them. > 3.)You can wear small amounts of A-1 daily to build up immunity to it. > > This depression effect is one of the reasons that Instant Female Magic was discontinued\*\*.\*\* Once it again, I want to remind people that **this DEPRESSION IS RARE.** > > **TIP:** > > Be sure to remember that A-1 can transform into androstenol if it is exposed to bacteria on the skin (sweat). The cycle goes like this: A-1àAndrostenolà Androstenone. This takes place ONLY if there is a sufficient amount of bacteria (sweat). Therefore, it’s probably best to not wear A-1 if you’re going to exercise. > > Also, carry some hand sanitizer with just in case, and spread it on the application spot if you think the conversion has taken place or might take place and just reapply some A-1 after you’ve cleaned the area. Great Post! I really have to try this now but have one question for you. If I measure out 20 ML of my Adidas moves or some other cologne and then use 10ml of the A-1 and mix it in a 30ML bottle will that be fine? And from personal experience where is the best place to put it to get the most hits? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 8:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/117 "2011-10-28T08:14:51Z")
That will make for a 50mcg spray - Which is right at the upper limit of effectiveness for most folk. You might be better making a lower dose in a smaller bottle till you sweet spot it? Many people find A1 most effective at half that. As for app points - same as any other phero, its been done so many times in the last week! oh but **do not** put ths on your hair or anywhere hairy - A1 can degrade to stinky very fast if you get sweaty. I’d also suggest making-up a togo at 12.5 mcg and trying it at one spray a day for a few days first. That way if you do get the negative self effects, you can usually innure yourself to them in a week or two. This would be far better than discovering them on a 50mcg dose - which could leave you in a pretty bad way and it will also let you see some of A1’s particular effects/responses on its own - Which is a very worthwile learning experience. 🙂 Lastly, do remember that reports on any mixes involving A1 will not count towards RU status. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/118 "2011-10-28T22:46:24Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > That will make for a 50mcg spray - Which is right at the upper limit of effectiveness for most folk. You might be better making a lower dose in a smaller bottle till you sweet spot it? Many people find A1 most effective at half that. > > As for app points - same as any other phero, its been done so many times in the last week! > > oh but **do not** put ths on your hair or anywhere hairy - A1 can degrade to stinky very fast if you get sweaty. > > I’d also suggest making-up a togo at 12.5 mcg and trying it at one spray a day for a few days first. That way if you do get the negative self effects, you can usually innure yourself to them in a week or two. This would be far better than discovering them on a 50mcg dose - which could leave you in a pretty bad way and it will also let you see some of A1’s particular effects/responses on its own - Which is a very worthwile learning experience. 🙂 > > Lastly, do remember that reports on any mixes involving A1 will not count towards RU status. Maybe a stupid question but what is RU status? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/119 "2011-10-28T22:49:09Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > Maybe a stupid question but what is RU status? [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-become-a-reporting-user/52654/2](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-become-a-reporting-user/52654/2) It is worth the effort! Well, not really effort, just report consistantly and honestly - it does get appreciated. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/120 "2011-10-28T23:00:25Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-become-a-reporting-user/52654](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-become-a-reporting-user/52654/2) > > It is worth the effort! > > Well, not really effort, just report consistantly and honestly - it does get appreciated. 🙂 That clears things up thanks. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668.md?page=5) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668.md?page=7)