# Androstadienone Guide **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 11, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668 "2010-04-11T20:21:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![tommarty920](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tommarty920/32/1273_2.png) [@tommarty920](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tommarty920)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/141 "2012-10-13T18:15:53Z")
> [@CoolKat](#): > > Dude, it is all about Dwight. Forget Kobe, lol. > Go Lakers! It will be all about Dwight after Kobe retires in two years. For now, it’s still Kobe’s team! Gotta love the addition of Dwight and Nash thou, Lakers 2013 NBA Champs! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/142 "2012-10-16T13:14:02Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I just clean and reuse AD togos and PA is virtually unobtainable in the UK, so I use cologne. > > The measuring pipettes I get from work but they can be got here or in big boxes off Ebay. While not allowed in commercial instances for obvious reasons, you can substitute Perfumers Alcohol with grain alcohol like Vodka or even everclear. It works very well and has been used for hundreds of years before government regulatory agencies decided they knew what was best for us.🙄 Another form of alcohol that can be used with decent results is methyl alcohol. One of the biggest issues you will have in obtaining any alcohol is it can used in bomb making so just use discretion and don’t draw attention to yourself. Besides its better to use gasoline in bombs anyway. Add about a cup of dry powdered laundry detergent (Tide works best) to about a cup of gasoline and you’ve just made yourself Napalm. Uh wait a second, disregard that, this is the wrong forum again::o ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/143 "2012-10-16T15:00:16Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > While not allowed in commercial instances for obvious reasons, you can substitute Perfumers Alcohol with grain alcohol like Vodka or even everclear. It works very well and has been used for hundreds of years before government regulatory agencies decided they knew what was best for us.🙄 > > Another form of alcohol that can be used with decent results is methyl alcohol. One of the biggest issues you will have in obtaining any alcohol is it can used in bomb making so just use discretion and don’t draw attention to yourself. Besides its better to use gasoline in bombs anyway. Add about a cup of dry powdered laundry detergent (Tide works best) to about a cup of gasoline and you’ve just made yourself Napalm. Uh wait a second, disregard that, this is the wrong forum again::o I wouldn’t trust most UK market vodka personally - Much of it is utter crap with all sorts of extra ingredients. We tend to like it sweetened and flavoured here. ☹ In fact most of the brands come out of the same industrial still in Glasgow! Imported quality vodka is different of course but that would cost more than importing PA! I have never seen Everclear in the UK. I used to have a nice compact still at work but ditched it when the compliance for the new licensing/drug precursor regs was revised a few years back. I have wondered about Methyl Alcohol - That used to be pretty easy for individuals to obtain in small quantities. Pharmacies and the like. Personally I would go for some finely divided polystyrene in any napalm like brew I was making - nice and sticky! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![alexjustdoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexjustdoit/32/5176_2.png) [@alexjustdoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alexjustdoit)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/144 "2012-10-16T17:53:25Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I wouldn’t trust most UK market vodka personally - Much of it is utter crap with all sorts of extra ingredients. We tend to like it sweetened and flavoured here. ☹ In fact most of the brands come out of the same industrial still in Glasgow! Imported quality vodka is different of course but that would cost more than importing PA! I have never seen Everclear in the UK. > > I used to have a nice compact still at work but ditched it when the compliance for the new licensing/drug precursor regs was revised a few years back. > > I have wondered about Methyl Alcohol - That used to be pretty easy for individuals to obtain in small quantities. Pharmacies and the like. > > Personally I would go for some finely divided polystyrene in any napalm like brew I was making - nice and sticky! 😉 Interesting! I think I’ll try that out! Er… the Everclear… not the Napalm. Of course not! 😉 But yes, how did I have such a large brain fart? I use Everclear when I make simple perfumes, of course it would work with mones, I don’t know how I didn’t realize that! ---
**Author:** ![NewBeeri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/85e7bf/32.png) [@NewBeeri](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NewBeeri)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 2:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/145 "2012-10-17T14:22:51Z")
How good a mix is A1 with Shine in a Togo? My last mix was with IH at 25mcg, one spray, and I’ll be doing the same. Results were good… maybe a bit too Beta. Needing a more upbeat vibe, and also possibly a little combatant to the depressive effect. Any possible downsides to this mix? ---
**Author:** ![veramis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/848f3c/32.png) [@veramis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/veramis)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/146 "2012-10-18T15:35:31Z")
I want to make a 10mcg/spray in a 5ml bottle, so will mix 0.4ml A1 with 4.6ml PA. How much of the PA should I cut with DPG to make it last for 6-8 hours? Alternatively, could I add 0.4ml into a 4.6ml bottle of Ammo (I only use one spray, so no A1 overdose) without problems? I am looking at this because I am having trouble finding information on how much dpg to use. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 12:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/147 "2012-10-22T12:14:45Z")
> [@alexjustdoit](#): > > Interesting! I think I’ll try that out! Er… the Everclear… not the Napalm. Of course not! 😉 > > But yes, how did I have such a large brain fart? I use Everclear when I make simple perfumes, of course it would work with mones, I don’t know how I didn’t realize that! I like your thinking and your journey into the unknown. Going to make you a Reporting User. Congratulations 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thebigQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@thebigQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thebigQ)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 12:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/148 "2012-10-22T12:38:13Z")
> [@alexjustdoit](#): > > Interesting! I think I’ll try that out! Er… the Everclear… not the Napalm. Of course not! 😉 > > But yes, how did I have such a large brain fart? I use Everclear when I make simple perfumes, of course it would work with mones, I don’t know how I didn’t realize that! Just an FYI and I hope it is not against the forum rules. I believe the cheapest place to buy Perfumers Alcohol on the internet is here (Saveonscents): [Perfumers Alcohol (32 oz.) SDA 40b: Wholesale Fragrance Oils, Candle Supplies, Scented Incense, Body Oils](http://www.saveonscents.com/product_info.php?products_id=3572) 16oz for $11.09 32oz for $23.11 I hope this helps. * * * **Consumer Line:** AMMO, A314, Instant Shine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Honesty, Turn Up the heat, Instant Gentleman, Instant Jerk, Come Talk To Me Mix 2, A1 **MX Series:** MX297, MX301, MX330, MX412, Project UF, Project UF2, Project UF2.5 **Putatives:** P75, P78, P83, P86, P91, P93, P96, P114, P130 **Experimones:** P74, P79, TAC, TAA ---
**Author:** ![jtskariah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@jtskariah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jtskariah)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/149 "2013-01-11T19:49:36Z")
About to order some myself want to make the oil but might just use the PA. Think this will work well with p83 and p75? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/150 "2013-01-12T03:40:43Z")
Personally I found A1/P75 ineffective, it still needed a social in there to diffuse the P75 edginess properly. [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) won’t go wrong in there but it won’t moderate either. ---
**Author:** ![Meowington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Meowington](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Meowington)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2013, 7:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/151 "2013-01-12T07:50:41Z")
Would this be a suitable mix for hanging out with a bunch of friends (non-bar setting, just chilling in the house, drinking)? I’ve been trying to incorporate MX413/A1 for a while now. MX413 x 2 sprays P75 2.5mcg x 1 spray [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) x 1 spray ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 9:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/152 "2013-02-10T09:10:08Z")
another great thread. sub. ---
**Author:** ![ziezi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ziezi/32/507_2.png) [@ziezi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ziezi)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 10:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/153 "2013-02-24T10:06:28Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > Section 3: When is the best time to use A-1? > … … > **MAKING A-1** : I usually go to Love-scent (do a Google search) and buy it from there. > > After you have your A-1 from Love-scent there are 3 things you can do. The 1st is dilute it in a to-go bottle (explained below), you can dilute it in a 30ml bottle (explained below) or you can just wear it straight from the dropper from LS. ( **there are about 40-45mcgs of A-1 per drop** ) > > Diluting the A-1 into a to-go bottle. (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) > > … … > > MIXING RATIOS FOR TO-GO BOTTLES (also note that a full to-go bottle yields 40 sprays) > > 0.5ml A-1 + 4.5ml PA = 12.5mcgs per spray > 0.6ml A-1 + 4.4ml PA = 15mcgs per spray > 1ml A-1 + 4ml PA = 25mcgs per spray > 2ml A-1 + 3ml PA = 50mcgs per pray > > Im leaving it at this because anymore than 50mcgs per spray is just a waste. I personally would use the 25mcgs because it insures you?€™ll only need one or 2 sprays at the most. > … … My calculations are different. I measured the 20 drops of A1 with syringe. Тhey were exactly 0.5ml . 10ml(10000mcg) A1 contains about 400 drops. **There are about 25mcgs of A-1 per drop.** I use 24drops / 0.6ml of A1 + 3.2ml PA = 20mcgs per spray (for **:** [Nuclear Fallout: Building a Pheremone WMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789) ) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/154 "2013-02-24T12:12:36Z")
> [@ziezi](#): > > My calculations are different. > I measured the 20 drops of A1 with syringe. Тhey were exactly 0.5ml . They would be - You used a syringe. K-Train used the standard dropper that comes with the LS bottle, which does give fairly large drops. Your syringe looks to give a much smaller drop size. ---
**Author:** ![ziezi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ziezi/32/507_2.png) [@ziezi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ziezi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/155 "2013-02-27T14:27:31Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > They would be - You used a syringe. K-Train used the standard dropper that comes with the LS bottle, which does give fairly large drops. Your syringe looks to give a much smaller drop size. I used the standard dropper that comes with the LS bottle too. I just removed the piston of syringe. And I drip the drops into the syringe. (I have read in LS-forum, that 10ml A1 bottle contains about 400 drops). ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/156 "2013-02-27T15:11:03Z")
> [@ziezi](#): > > I used the standard dropper that comes with the LS bottle too. I just removed the piston of syringe. And I drip the drops into the syringe. > (I have read in LS-forum, that 10ml A1 bottle contains about 400 drops). That’s overcomplicating things - Get some measuring pipettes and deal with an exact volume. Its much simpler. ---
**Author:** ![rolandcubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@rolandcubed](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rolandcubed)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/157 "2013-10-25T12:54:13Z")
bumping a really old thread. I’m curious for anyone who reads this, I found A-1 at lovescents. But now I can’t find the perfume alcohol at androtics. Anyone know how i can make this happen? ---
**Author:** ![thebigQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@thebigQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thebigQ)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 1:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/158 "2013-10-25T13:28:37Z")
> [@rolandcubed](#): > > bumping a really old thread. I’m curious for anyone who reads this, I found A-1 at lovescents. But now I can’t find the perfume alcohol at androtics. Anyone know how i can make this happen? See Post #148 of this thread. I am not affiliated with that company in any way, just happened to stumble into them. You can also order a 30 ml bottle in the Mixing supplies section of Androtics and have them fill it with a diluent that they have available. Enjoy. * * * **Consumer Line:** AMMO, A314, Instant Shine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Honesty, Turn Up the heat, Instant Gentleman, Instant Jerk, Come Talk To Me Mix 2, A1 **MX Series:** MX297, MX301, MX330, MX412, Project UF, Project UF2, Project UF2.5 **Putatives:** P75, P78, P83, P86, P91, P93, P96, P102, P114, P130 **Experimones:** P74, P79, TAC, TAA, TAF ---
**Author:** ![coinman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/65b543/32.png) [@coinman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/coinman)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 12:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/159 "2013-11-12T12:35:02Z")
> [@veramis](#): > > I want to make a 10mcg/spray in a 5ml bottle, so will mix 0.4ml A1 with 4.6ml PA. How much of the PA should I cut with DPG to make it last for 6-8 hours? > > Alternatively, could I add 0.4ml into a 4.6ml bottle of Ammo (I only use one spray, so no A1 overdose) without problems? I am looking at this because I am having trouble finding information on how much dpg to use. What ratio of PA/DPG can be used to make it last longer? Or, is this not recommended? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668/160 "2013-11-12T14:21:17Z")
For time fixing, its just a few drops, OTOH around 5 in a togo and up to 20 in a 30ml. But it also depends on the other molecules in the mix as too much will hamper them, Some past threads on mixing with DPG but if you use cologne, it will usually have enough diffusion regulation already. PA will need scenting anyway. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668.md?page=7) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668.md?page=9)