# Androstadienone in Pheromax **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 9, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471 "2010-10-09T18:40:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stuttgart-man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/stuttgart-man/32/1615_2.png) [@stuttgart-man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stuttgart-man)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/1 "2010-10-09T18:40:49Z")
One spray of Pheromax (0.1ml) contains about **12.86mcg androstadienone** , 12.86mcg androstenone and 8.57mg androstenol. Do the amount of 12.86mcg A1 be adequate to see effects from A1 or is this too less to see anything? But more than one spray could push me possible into androstenone-OD. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/2 "2010-10-09T20:42:53Z")
It seems like it’s well buffered enough to work. But try it out and see ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/3 "2010-10-09T21:57:01Z")
pheromax does not contain A1 anymore! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/4 "2010-10-09T23:47:29Z")
Thats probably a old ad. A1 is patented by Erox and cant be used in a mix. Pheromax updated the formula and now it contains 2mg of anol and 3 mg of anone in a 14ml bottle. The womens has less anone and 3mg of copulins. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/5 "2010-10-10T01:02:15Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Thats probably a old ad. A1 is patented by Erox and cant be used in a mix. Pheromax updated the formula and now it contains 2mg of anol and 3 mg of anone in a 14ml bottle. The womens has less anone and 3mg of copulins. > > Tisha Is it true that the patent has expired or is expiring soon? ---
**Author:** ![stuttgart-man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/stuttgart-man/32/1615_2.png) [@stuttgart-man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stuttgart-man)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 10:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/6 "2010-10-10T10:08:45Z")
Pheromax has recently updated its page for a few weeks, because a new [pheromone](https://a314.com/) (oxitocin) was added. The new formulation is: - **man** 1800 mcg Androstenone ([http://pheromax.de/html/androstenon.html](http://pheromax.de/html/androstenon.html)), 1200 mcg Androstenol ([http://pheromax.de/html/androstenol.html](http://pheromax.de/html/androstenol.html)), 1800 mcg Androstadienone ([http://pheromax.de/html/androstadienon.html](http://pheromax.de/html/androstadienon.html)), 4000 mcg Oxitocin ([http://pheromax.de/html/oxytocin.html](http://pheromax.de/html/oxytocin.html)) (original copied by the pheromax-page) The 3000mcg-androstenone and 2000mcg-androstenol-formular is an old formulation an no longer up to date. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 12:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/7 "2010-10-10T12:31:50Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Is it true that the patent has expired or is expiring soon? Patents last 10 years. There’s is due to expire in March of 2012 [United States Patent: 5272134](http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=21&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=androstadienone&OS=androstadienone&RS=androstadienone) Erox partnered up with Dial for the making of Dial Magnetic. > [@](#): > > Pheromax has recently updated its page for a few weeks, because a new pheromone (oxitocin) was added. The new formulation is: I did a little research stut and your right. ( good find) The original formula was changed a while back but now they have come out with a new “special” formula that contains both A1 and oxitocin. Personally this makes me question their knowledge of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). First oxitocin is a hormone to induce labor not a pheromone. It’s to heavy muscularly and its life outside the body is not very long. Only about 3 minutes of so. Needs to be refrigerated at all times to. A1 patent is not up till 2012, In Germany its fine to sell it but they should not be selling it here in the US till then in a mix. Some dealers do though. I am not saying not to get it though. I have tons of pheromones including the women’s pheromax in my arsenal. If you have the extra money to get it go for it and let us know what you think. Only one way to find out 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![stuttgart-man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/stuttgart-man/32/1615_2.png) [@stuttgart-man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stuttgart-man)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/8 "2010-10-10T14:36:39Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > A1 patent is not up till 2012, In Germany its fine to sell it but they should not be selling it here in the US till then in a mix. Some dealers do though. I have not much knowledge in patent right, but perhaps Pheromax pays money to the patent holder for the right to sell it. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/9 "2010-10-10T14:51:40Z")
> [@stuttgart-man](#): > > I have not much knowledge in patent right, but perhaps Pheromax pays money to the patent holder for the right to sell it. Maybe I dont know but I think they would mention that on the site. There is a patent agreement with Dial for A1 but I never saw one for Pheromax but just because I cant find it doesnt mean its doesnt exist LOL. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/10 "2010-10-10T18:41:53Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > A1 patent is not up till 2012, In Germany its fine to sell it but they should not be selling it here in the US till then in a mix. Some dealers do though. > > Tisha Does this mean, Androtics is going to put IFM back in stock after 2012. Side note - I personally don’t think the world will end in 2012, ahah ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/11 "2010-10-10T19:48:06Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > Does this mean, Androtics is going to put IFM back in stock after 2012. Side note - I personally don’t think the world will end in 2012, ahah Based on what I’ve read from MHarris, I don’t think so. If they’re not selling A1 in unscented form, I dunno if they would change gears and sell it again. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/12 "2010-10-10T23:43:19Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > Does this mean, Androtics is going to put IFM back in stock after 2012. Side note - I personally don’t think the world will end in 2012, ahah I dont know, maybe. When they first took the single molecule form off the shelf they said it was because they could not use it in a mix so it wasn’t cost productive to have and it would not further their research at this time. `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/curiuos-why-est-always-out-stock-13613.html` > [@Female Magic!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/female-magic/26260): > > What’s the ETA on a re-installment? Thanks ahead of time for sending me the first bottle! lol Then when people starting repetitively asking for it at least in single molecule form MH said they took it off because women were using it to depress men. Frankly while it can cause a down feeling in a small percentage of men at high doses, I really dont think its a viable reason or they could take numerous molecules off the shelf. > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/instant-female-magic-men-31856-3.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life From what I have been read they are a long way off from it being the first prescription pheromone. Pherin is using it differently for that purpose. They use it in a vero-nasal spray straight into the nasal canal, not pheromonally. If the FDA pulls the rights of A1 used on a pheromone basis, in my opinion, they will be pulling numerous ones after it because to much of any of these molecules can cause side effects. They wont stop at A1. After all **if used improperly** A-none can cause violence, TAA can burn out your neurotransmitters and cause fatigue, A-nol can make you lethargic. etc etc. I dont see it as a good thing however I respect Harris’s decision on selling what he is comfortable with. Maybe the FDA will just pull the sale of it in raw form if it ever occurs. This way responsible pheromone companies like AD can use it in a mix when the patent is up similar to how Dial magnetic uses it. Speaking of DM, I am sure they have seen all the research before they teamed up with erox. There is no way they are going to use something that in reasonable dosages will cause depression in men in a men’s body wash. It would be a legal nightmare for them. So back to your original question… I think once the patent is up you may see products containing A1 in small managed doses but I dont think we will see it in its raw form. This is just my opinion and really no one can answer this but MH or Jasmin themselves. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/13 "2010-10-10T23:58:14Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I dont know, maybe. When they first took the single molecule form off the shelf they said it was because they could not use it in a mix so it wasn’t cost productive to have and it would not further their research at this time. > > `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/curiuos-why-est-always-out-stock-13613.html` > > [Female Magic!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/female-magic/26260) > > Then when people starting repetitively asking for it at least in single molecule form MH said they took it off because women were using it to depress men. Frankly while it can cause a down feeling in a small percentage of men at high doses, I really dont think its a viable reason or they could take numerous molecules off the shelf. > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/instant-female-magic-men-31856-3.html](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/instant-female-magic-men-31856-3.html) > > From what I have been read they are a long way off from it being the first prescription pheromone. Pherin is using it differently for that purpose. They use it in a vero-nasal spray straight into the nasal canal, not pheromonally. If the FDA pulls the rights of A1 used on a pheromone basis, in my opinion, they will be pulling numerous ones after it because to much of any of these molecules can cause side effects. They wont stop at A1. After all **if used improperly** A-none can cause violence, TAA can burn out your neurotransmitters and cause fatigue, A-nol can make you lethargic. etc etc. I dont see it as a good thing however I respect Harris’s decision on selling what he is comfortable with. > > Maybe the FDA will just pull the sale of it in raw form if it ever occurs. This way responsible pheromone companies like AD can use it in a mix when the patent is up similar to how Dial magnetic uses it. Speaking of DM, I am sure they have seen all the research before they teamed up with erox. There is no way they are going to use something that in reasonable dosages will cause depression in men in a men’s body wash. It would be a legal nightmare for them. > > So back to your original question… I think once the patent is up you may see products containing A1 in small managed doses but I dont think we will see it in its raw form. > > This is just my opinion and really no one can answer this but MH or Jasmin themselves. > > Tisha This is why I try not to go over 30mcg of any products/putatives. It surprises me how some people can use multiple mones EVERYDAY and not feel much. I know it is harmful, because my body tells me, heh… However, my body is very sensitive to reacting things when it is not right, and it reacts very quickly. Case in point: back in the days when I was training for an NBC attack as a part of military training, our platoon was lined up outside of a gas chamber for some NBC training. Even before I entered the chamber, from about 15 meters away, I began to “FEEL” and react to tear gas. However, almost all other soldiers did not get any reaction, until they entered the room and took off their gas masks. ---
**Author:** ![blairlockout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@blairlockout](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/blairlockout)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/14 "2011-04-20T21:51:02Z")
Just ordered a sample of Pheromax online. 1ml=20 dollars! WoW. ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/15 "2013-06-09T17:09:09Z")
`http://love-scent.com/pheromax-mini-for-men-p-143.html` says it has **androsteNONE** , **androsteNOL** and \*\*AndrostaDienone **i am being given a present of the above one from a friend who has an unopened one. will ingredients be on it**? \*\* `http://www.pheromones.co.uk/love-desire-100ml-with-pheromones-p-227.html` also has **AndrostaDienone** ---
**Author:** ![windersan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/71e660/32.png) [@windersan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/windersan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/16 "2013-06-11T02:43:08Z")
Pheromax is actually a pretty decent product, but I have not used it for a year. It is very well balanced, as in I have never ODed on it, I didn’t even know the concept of OD back then, and I used to spray it 6 times on my chest, then 6 more times the next day, and sometimes I forgot to shower back then. All I got were compliments that I smell nice, and not exactly DIHL, but just a really sexy, open vibe, confident too. But this product was not that overt. It made me sexier and sexier, but did not have effects that essentially put thoughts in peoples minds. Androtics is more powerful all across the board. But I recommend pheromax, just to fuck with if anything. ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-in-pheromax/42471/17 "2013-06-11T03:34:33Z")
> [@windersan](#): > > Pheromax is actually a pretty decent product, but I have not used it for a year. It is very well balanced, as in I have never ODed on it, I didn’t even know the concept of OD back then, and I used to spray it 6 times on my chest, then 6 more times the next day, and sometimes I forgot to shower back then. All I got were compliments that I smell nice, and not exactly DIHL, but just a really sexy, open vibe, confident too. But this product was not that overt. It made me sexier and sexier, but did not have effects that essentially put thoughts in peoples minds. **Androtics is more powerful all across the board.** But I recommend pheromax, just to fuck with if anything. yet it effects are by no means certain and seem to have a lot of ifs and buts