# Androstadienone: which products here contain it, how much, and is it available now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 21, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274 "2009-11-21T20:50:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cabledawg299](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cabledawg299](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cabledawg299)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/1 "2009-11-21T20:50:33Z")
what products here contain Androstadienone? how much? and is it available now/ want to do some testing with this [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/). ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/2 "2009-11-21T20:54:56Z")
> [@cabledawg299](#): > > what products here contain Androstadienone? how much? and is it available now/ want to do some testing with this pheromone. There is no products available from androtics that contain Androstadienone. If you have questions please do a search on it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/3 "2009-11-21T21:20:11Z")
> [@cabledawg299](#): > > what products here contain Androstadienone? how much? and is it available now/ want to do some testing with this pheromone. Androtics stopped making and selling products with A1 (androstadienone) a little while ago. This is because it can cause depression in some men, and they found out it was being used for harm, rather than good. You can still get it from LS (Love scent) though, but make sure to test yourself and your male friends whom will be exposed to it with small doses at first to avoid depression in yourself or others. If you suffer from it, you may still be able to use the product by **a)** keeping it away from your nose (back of neck) and **b)** buffering it with products like IS, which you would put as close to your nose as possible for maximum self effects using a minimum amount of the product needed for buffering. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/4 "2009-11-22T05:33:49Z")
Realize A1 is the most abundant mone occurring naturally on male skin. So a small dose is not going to depress anybody. Test yourself: workout, sniff pit, feel depressed? Didn’t think so. However high doses have been know to effect the mood of a small minority of men, mainly the wearer, not surrounding men, as he is exposed to a continuous high dose. If A1 is subject to high heat, humidity & skin bacteria–a sweaty time on the dance floor–it breaks down to alpha androstenol fairly fast. 20-30 minutes after that it breaks down to androstenone. So if you’re depressed, dance it it off to a new mone. I find it hard to believe the line about Androtics ceasing production of IFM due to liability issues and/or concern with male depression. A1 has recently hit the mass market in a big way with Dial Magnetic and Erox products (used for over a decade in W’s Realm). I suspect patent issues preventing AD from using A1 in colognes and other scent products is more likely to be at the root here. Realize A1 stinks pretty bad, very similar to BO or a mellow androstenone, so it needs serious cover to be useful. Whatever, you can buy concentrated chemset A1 at LS and it’s still an amazing cure for female mood and PMS problems. ---
**Author:** ![dude](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dude/32/2011_2.png) [@dude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dude)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/5 "2009-11-22T06:56:40Z")
Selling A1 could not be as profitable as Androtics wanted because of patent issues so I believe they have stopped selling it. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/6 "2009-11-22T07:21:11Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Realize A1 is the most abundant mone occurring naturally on male skin. So a small dose is not going to depress anybody. Test yourself: workout, sniff pit, feel depressed? Didn’t think so. However high doses have been know to effect the mood of a small minority of men, mainly the wearer, not surrounding men, as he is exposed to a continuous high dose. > > If A1 is subject to high heat, humidity & skin bacteria–a sweaty time on the dance floor–it breaks down to alpha androstenol fairly fast. 20-30 minutes after that it breaks down to androstenone. So if you’re depressed, dance it it off to a new mone. > > I find it hard to believe the line about Androtics ceasing production of IFM due to liability issues and/or concern with male depression. A1 has recently hit the mass market in a big way with Dial Magnetic and Erox products (used for over a decade in W’s Realm). I suspect patent issues preventing AD from using A1 in colognes and other scent products is more likely to be at the root here. Realize A1 stinks pretty bad, very similar to BO or a mellow androstenone, so it needs serious cover to be useful. > > Whatever, you can buy concentrated chemset A1 at LS and it’s still an amazing cure for female mood and PMS problems. Thanks a bunch, this helped me too, as I just started a self test like **5 min. ago** with the order I just received from LS!😃 Nothing like a live report! Oh and I do not seem to be suffering any problems and do not have to “dance it off.”😉 That’s a really cool tip though! So wait a sec though… If it was in IFM which was supposed to last 2-6 hours… Did they have something in IFM which prevented this breakdown or slowed it?😕 Also the same question goes for a-nol… Hmmm… Just looked at LS A1 and on the ingredients is ethanol, water, and A1… Is the ethanol the trick here or should I be applying this to clothes or doing something different to keep it from breaking down? Breaking down to a-nol isn’t really a problem, but extra -none could really throw my applications and mixes of products off as I don’t have much -none tolerance and neither do the girls my age. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/7 "2009-11-22T07:30:12Z")
There really isn’t a way to prevent that, but to just avoid sweating like crazy either way though changes will still occur as time passes by. Only best thing to do is wipe off and start with a clean canvas. > [@flight](#): > > Thanks a bunch, this helped me too, as I just started a self test like **5 min. ago** with the order I just received from LS!😃 Nothing like a live report! Oh and I do not seem to be suffering any problems and do not have to “dance it off.”😉 That’s a really cool tip though! So wait a sec though… If it was in IFM which was supposed to last 2-6 hours… Did they have something in IFM which prevented this breakdown or slowed it?😕 Also the same question goes for a-nol… Hmmm… Just looked at LS A1 and on the ingredients is ethanol, water, and A1… Is the ethanol the trick here or should I be applying this to clothes or doing something different to keep it from breaking down? Breaking down to a-nol isn’t really a problem, but extra -none could really throw my applications and mixes of products off as I don’t have much -none tolerance and neither do the girls my age. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 7:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/8 "2009-11-22T07:48:27Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > There really isn’t a way to prevent that, but to just avoid sweating like crazy either way though changes will still occur as time passes by. Only best thing to do is wipe off and start with a clean canvas. Wait a sec though… I understand not being able to prevent it totally… but shouldn’t you be able to slow it down? I mean Gregogi said like 20-30 min. That’s a LOT less time than IFM should last am I right? And even if it was the only component in IFM breaking down and therefore the rest would still provide some results, wouldn’t that be irrelevant since A1 was the main component of IFM? I mean that would mean that if I bathed in IFM or A1 that in 20-30 min. I would be in Spaceland, no? And in another (I don’t know how long, Gregogi didn’t say here and I haven’t searched yet) set of time I would have a -none OD? Must read more on this…😕 whoops just edited… did you mean that UNLESS I was sweating like crazy it would be much slower? I’m hoping for as much slower as possible, as that factor could get kinda annoying if it has a significant amount converted to -none in lets say 8 hours regardless of the cold environment I am currently in. If it is only mainly converted to a-nol that’s no big deal. Worst case scenario is I get to save money by not having to refresh on a-nol (via IO). OH NOOOS! LOL jk. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/9 "2009-11-22T08:28:50Z")
I work in an air conditioned office and I hardly sweat at all. So breakdown isn’t a problem for me except when I hit the beach or workout. At those times I don’t normally wear mones. The few times I left mones on at the gym I noticed I was getting really ripe. You should smell androstenone when it breaks down: smells like roadkill skunk! Spray some TUTH or TE in your pits and run around for an hour or so and sniff your pits. Funky city. Obviously, you should avoid applying to sweaty parts of your body. My wrists and forearms are the driest areas, and I don’t hesitate to use hair and/or clothing apps during warmer months. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 8:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/10 "2009-11-22T08:52:08Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I work in an air conditioned office and I hardly sweat at all. So breakdown isn’t a problem for me except when I hit the beach or workout. At those times I don’t normally wear mones. The few times I left mones on at the gym I noticed I was getting really ripe. You should smell androstenone when it breaks down: smells like roadkill skunk! Spray some TUTH or TE in your pits and run around for an hour or so and sniff your pits. Funky city. > > Obviously, you should avoid applying to sweaty parts of your body. My wrists and forearms are the driest areas, and I don’t hesitate to use hair and/or clothing apps during warmer months. Thanks for clearing that up. Dammit! You just reminded me of how great of a diffusion surface I lost when I cut my massive mane of hair! LOL I’m like that Samson dude: cut off hair and lose strength! But at least I look better and I still have other options, and I didn’t shave it off. ---
**Author:** ![Beccah1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/beccah1/32/2380_2.png) [@Beccah1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Beccah1)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 9:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/11 "2009-11-22T09:04:23Z")
I used to wear Realm(which contains this phero). Everytime I wore it out w/ my husband. We would get into a HUGE fight. I say there are so many other great [pheromones](https://a314.com/) out there. I would avoid this one like the plague! ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/12 "2009-11-22T09:17:35Z")
> [@Beccah1](#): > > I used to wear Realm(which contains this phero). Everytime I wore it out w/ my husband. We would get into a HUGE fight. I say there are so many other great pheromones out there. I would avoid this one like the plague! Methinks someone needs some EST.🙂 Thats interesting, as I’ve read many accounts of the successfulness of it with guys, or at worst lack of much effect. When I first read this, I thought maybe it was because A1 is produced by guys only. Does your husband perhaps have something against very fresh sweat of other guys? Still that explanation doesn’t satisfy me. Perhaps I should do more reading in the ladies forum. Almost all that I’ve read about women using it has been crossover in the male’s section. Hmmm… I’ll be back. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/13 "2009-11-22T18:19:03Z")
The old Realm series was designed for self-effects only, hence A1 in women’s Realm and EST in men’s. Because the mones were mainly designed to effect the wearer, the amount of A1 in the old women’s Realm was infinitesimally small. BAsically trace amounts. Back in the day, I bought some for my GF and didn’t notice anything except the strong vanilla scent. I still have an old bottle of men’s Realm. Don’t care care much for the scent. ---
**Author:** ![Beccah1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/beccah1/32/2380_2.png) [@Beccah1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Beccah1)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-which-products-here-contain-it-how-much-and-is-it-available-now/34274/14 "2009-12-01T16:52:14Z")
Well my husband is extremely sensitive to pheromones. So he actually responds better to the smallest amounts,lol. I’ve had averse reactions, using full strength pheros w/ him before. Either way, I stay away from the Realm.