# androstenone build up - watch out **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 24, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034 "2008-05-24T01:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/1 "2008-05-24T01:22:30Z")
I had a heck of a time sleeping last night, had nightmares, sweated all night. It was an itchy, nervous feeling. Tonight I figured out why… my bed reeks of androstenone- if I smell the bedsheet it definitely stinks, but it’s sort of “invisible” when you are a few feet away, I can just feel bad vibes comming out of that room. I’m washing the bedsheets ASAP. My bedroom was becomming “haunted”, every time I’d go in there, I’d feel like grinding my teeth and my pulse would go up a bit. I tried laying on the bed tonight, and my skin, chest felt like it was burning after about 10 minutes and there was just no way I could sleep in that. Wierd, huh? Word of advice: take a shower after you wear anything with androstenone, otherwise it WILL build up when you go to bed. Also, go easy on the stuff, it will build up on you wheather you think it will or not. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/2 "2008-05-24T01:31:27Z")
I can’t recall, as I’m pretty doped up on pain meds, but do you also have IFM? That sounds like something Tater posted awhile back in his journal from sleeping with a few sprays of it on. I’ve never had that happen to me with -none, but of course we’re all different so anything’s possible. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/3 "2008-05-24T01:42:26Z")
> [@data4](#): > > I can’t recall, as I’m pretty doped up on pain meds, but do you also have Instant Female Magic? That sounds like something Tater posted awhile back in his journal from sleeping with a few sprays of it on. -D4 I’ll look it up, but [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) just makes me feel sensitive, not nervous. This was like an itch I could never scratch. Really horrible feeling, not like depression at all, more like torture than numbness. I think I’ll be fine as soon as I clean the room out. I’ll move an ozone machine in there and nuke it just to be safe (without me in there). I’ll also look up Tater’s post just to double check what his issue with Instant Female Magic was. I didn’t really think I was using so much none, I guess it just built up, which I guess it can, over several days on the bed. I used what I thought was a low dose every day, but the effect was persistent. Today I didn’t use any. I think I’m getting 'none averse, and it might also be affecting my phero signature perception- I seem to be getting hypersensitive to phero signatures, unnaturally so. Like I can use a phero and tell within a half hour what it does, even if I haven’t used it before. It might be due to continuous 'none exposure at night. . I was also noticing some attention (staring) from black women and _open hostility /grouchiness_ (but no violence, fortunately) from some people that were friends/aquaintances with aggressive temperments- in the morning after I got out of bed. The past few days I have been toning it down and getting beyond the “wow” phase and trying to work at more sophisticated stuff, so I’ve used littel or no 'none. I’ve probably made some of my own 'none as I got alot of exercise, too. Perhaps all the phero-nauts out there should take their showers _before_ they go to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/4 "2008-05-24T03:44:04Z")
Update: I took a bath, washed the sheets and pillowcase, put the ozone machine in the room full blast and the air in there is filled with the stuff, so it should be a little cleaner soon enough (it’ll destroy perfumes pretty easily, so it should zap pheros). I feel like I’m getting better, I should be OK now. The bath really helped get rid of the itchy/hot feeling that was still hanging around. I couldn’t find Tater’s post, maybe I’ll message him… or he can message me. Incidentally, I’ve gotten a very similar feeling by trying out a high dose of Androstenone on myself. Total ball of nervousness, very alert. If I had to describe the feeling of laying in that bed, it would nervousness, anxiety, and fear. The room seemed to cause a certain unease. I lost my glases in there and I was just getting really pissed off the more I stayed in there, so I had to leave a couple days ago, think about it… then come back. That’s how bad it was getting. Yes, there was a sexual component to it I suppose, but mostly it was just plain unpleasant, maybe sexual in a really kinky/paraphilic way- I have to admit the feeling was sexual, but it was very dark and heavy and didn’t exactly “inspire” anything. There was also a major feeling of violence and anger, too, aggression, fear, darkness… It’s like you take all the base stuff in human nature and shoved it on that bed- fear, sex, violence/anger, etc. It wasn’t instantly unpleasant, but it grew on you and enveloped you, and I was so tired that I didn’t bother with anything, I just let it eat me up and eventually sleep came over me- I seemed to sleep fewer hours, too, maybe 2 hours less. I guess I’m pretty dumb, I should have slept on the couch (or the floor) but I didn’t connect the two right away. The military wants to find out the chemical “smell of fear”, well I think I’ve got it, it’s in my bedroom. Dump that on Tora Bora and I guarantee Osama and his buddies will come running out. BTW, this has given me a new appreciation for bathing. It really does get rid of whatever is ailing you. I bet there are some “bad pheros” out there we are carrying around we don’t even know about. Is it coincidence one of the first things to go in major depression is bathing? Perhaps I wasn’t smelling androstenone, but something else my body was emitting in response? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/5 "2008-05-24T03:54:25Z")
OK, I guess it’s possible that your negative experiences are due to None, and washing your sheets and such should give you a better idea. Showering is an obvious method of washing off excessive None, if you are using a good soap. Another method is to wash the application points off with either Hydrogen Peroxide or Witches Hazel. Peroxide will breakdown the None, while Witched Hazel will draw it out of your pores. YOur choice, either will work. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 5:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/6 "2008-05-24T05:06:19Z")
I saw that you believe to have a high androstenone production 🙂 so how many mcg of androstenone you and others around you can tolerate approximatly? ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/7 "2008-05-24T06:08:55Z")
> [@data4](#): > > I can’t recall, as I’m pretty doped up on pain meds, but do you also have Instant Female Magic? That sounds like something Tater posted awhile back in his journal from sleeping with a few sprays of it on. I’ve never had that happen to me with -none, but of course we’re all different so anything’s possible. > > -D4 Going back over a year or more i was taking 2 sprays on the chest of IFM at bedtime whenever a chick was staying over and when came time for sleep they all end up snuggling into the application area and sleeping like babys, On the other hand i actually did experience some rather vivid dreams, very similar to the times when i used LT in the same fashion. Also been using Androstenone just about every day for for a few years at an average of between ten and twenty mcg per day sometimes more Have used most of the popular brands and also others and i dont have a problem with the stuff, I also work with children at times and they do not respond in a negative way towards me, Maby the aNONE projects me as a fatherley type because the lil children always wanting cuddling and sometimes they doze of with their head resting on the application areas. I have seen a couple of reports in the past of persons experiencing adverse reaction to aNONE, with them overcomong the reactions after a short period of time. I can understand how we are all different each with our unique Pheromone signatures, so it seems also very credable that we can also some of us have a unique reaction to certain [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and proportions of pheromones also, this is certainly a most interesting subject. I can remember when i used to splash on a liberal application of SOE and then several hours later i always experienced a burned out letargic feeling. By the time i was on to my second bottle the problem had abated, but if i did not use the stuff for several weeks after my next application got a tired used up feeling later in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/8 "2008-05-24T13:41:00Z")
I got a decent nights sleep last night. There was the faintest hint of a “fear” vibe in the room, but I could get to sleep much easier and the bed was clean- I put the ozonator on low and let it run all night. It definitely was something I’m wearing, or something I sweated out as a result of something I wore. I don’t think I was wearing more than 2-3 drops of Alter Ego at most a day. Not alot, but the bed smelled funky, not like “stale Daedelus BO”, but pheros. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/9 "2008-05-24T19:46:35Z")
To me a single drop of concentrated Androstenone is regarded as nothing. But last week i did receive free sample of Androstenone base, and i have been testing it and have found it to be the strongest i have ever experienced. Wearing one fresh drop on my forearm last night and as soon as i walked in to her lounge room my girl commented that i STINK ha ha, this is the very first time that she has ever said this, I asked her to sniff my application point over an hour later when i could not even smell anything and she said it was revolting, and then as i was entering her parlour even later on she actually noticed the stink as she put it as soon as i walked in. So id better be carefull with this stuff. Actually got so many hits wearing this on Saturday more than iv ever experienced, I had it well covered though with about 5 sprays of Jovan Musk. So going back to Saterday night it was a wonderfull thing to experience my very first stinky comments by anyone after 2 years of aNONE use. Had no trouble with sleep at all, im happy to see. I think you will soon settle down and not have too many bedtime hauntings in future. all the best. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/10 "2008-05-24T20:31:16Z")
I wonder how gay/bisexual men react to androstenone? Just wondering. I’m trying to figure out why the hell I’m so sensitive to the stuff. Maybe I make alot of androstenol and not androstenone? Trust me, I’ve got plenty of BO, but it doesn’t really smell like “pure” androstenone. To be be a racist, but I smell a black man that smells strongly and I tend to react emotionally very negatively- it makes me agitated, nervous. That’s what was wierd about wearing Alter Ego or NPA. I smelled black. The bedsheets reeked of that stuff. (hmm… maybe the sample I got is contaminated with something else?) Androstenol/androsterone smell way better to me… what does that mean? Oh, and I just want to add, for future posterity/archiving, my experiences with androstenone do not reflect on any of the products sold at Androtics/Smartmones. The pheromones in question did not originate from Androtics. End of legal disclaimer. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/11 "2008-05-25T04:26:31Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > I wonder how gay/bisexual men react to androstenone? Just wondering. > > I’m trying to figure out why the hell I’m so sensitive to the stuff. Maybe I make alot of androstenol and not androstenone? Trust me, I’ve got plenty of BO, but it doesn’t really smell like “pure” androstenone. > > To be be a racist, but I smell a black man that smells strongly and I tend to react emotionally very negatively- it makes me agitated, nervous. That’s what was wierd about wearing Alter Ego or NPA. I smelled black. The bedsheets reeked of that stuff. (hmm… maybe the sample I got is contaminated with something else?) > > Androstenol/androsterone smell way better to me… what does that mean? > > Oh, and I just want to add, for future posterity/archiving, my experiences with androstenone do not reflect on any of the products sold at Androtics/Smartmones. The pheromones in question did not originate from Androtics. End of legal disclaimer. The basic Androstenone scent is probaby too animalistic and or primitive in its composition for you to cope with as it may be elevating your natural reflex mentality to prepare to flee or fight therefore causing you a state of anxiety which is very real and understandingly opressive and negative to your senses. Maby over time you could become accustomed and sensitised to it. Remember that a single drop of NPA is over 15mcg Androstenone and for many users this is certainly enough for an OD. When i first looked in at the Smartmones store i was a little disgusted that Ammunition contained sutch a low dose of aNONE to what i was accustomed to and i thought Smartmones must have been tight arses Yea i really did. But i can now understand the intelligence and reasoning for the refined dosing levels of aNONE in Ammunition, and also TUTH , as it is obvious to me now that when it comes to aNONE then less is better in most situations. The consentrated sources of aNONE work well for some users especially older men as myself, and only should be used with care by younger men who have worked out their ideal ratios when using aNONE. It is really true that the correct amount of this stuff can work magic, But if ya dont get it right, hmmmm Out wid de old Scrubbing Brush ha ha.😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/12 "2008-05-25T05:56:45Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > The consentrated sources of aNONE work well for some users especially older men as myself People like you can never be ‘old’🙂 …wise men used to say "Old age is mind over matter, if you don’t mind it doesn’t matter!😉 ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 6:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/13 "2008-05-25T06:46:58Z")
> [@Mohammad\_Shah](#): > > People like you can never be ‘old’🙂 …wise men used to say "Old age is mind over matter, if you don’t mind it doesn’t matter!😉 Well then Mohammad Shah , As well as you being a wise man which is something i did already know, I now find out that you are a funny man as well. he he, very funny in fact, Not funny as in “funny” 😮 but funny as in Funny ha ha 🙂 … 😕 …😛 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/14 "2008-05-25T13:40:20Z")
15mcg in NPA? I didn’t know that. Good thing I rarely used it. I’d definitely have to dilute it (I guess that’s why it’s called an “additive”). I think 2.5-5 mcg would be enough for me, especially in certain situations. You got any idea how much androstenone is in Alter Ego per drop? ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/15 "2008-05-25T19:18:56Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > 15mcg in NPA? I didn’t know that. Good thing I rarely used it. I’d definitely have to dilute it (I guess that’s why it’s called an “additive”). I think 2.5-5 mcg would be enough for me, especially in certain situations. > > You got any idea how much androstenone is in Alter Ego per drop? I used to know exactly until i tidied up my office and lost my phero notes but 3 drops will easily put you in the danger zone, And looking at the amound thats suits you then ONE drop is sufficient to cover your needs of aNONE no doubt about it. NPA actually tips the scales at around 17 mcg / drop. Yes it is designed as an additive, and if i remember, to be used at a ratio of about 1 part to 5 of cologne ect. Whatever its easy to OD on and so therefore sometimes especially for younger men a small dab can be plenty, with a large dab being an OD. Thats where the reliability factor of dosed products like Ammunition have a good advantage over concentrated aNONE prods. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/16 "2008-05-25T23:33:28Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > Well then Mohammad Shah , As well as you being a wise man which is something i did already know, I now find out that you are a funny man as well. he he, very funny in fact, Not funny as in “funny” 😮 but funny as in Funny ha ha 🙂 … 😕 …😛 Thanks for your kind remarks & the reps!🙂 I have a good teacher in this forum!😉 ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/17 "2008-05-26T00:33:19Z")
> [@Mohammad\_Shah](#): > > Thanks for your kind remarks & the reps!🙂 I have a good teacher in this forum!😉 Yes there are some excellent teachers on this forum and that is the reason i log on now and then, when time permits, so as to gain some knowledge and insights. The amount of intelligence and knowledge posessed by members here is really mind blowing. I regard Pheromones as an excellent tool, to be used in the advancement of human communications, and i appreciate the service that the forum community here offers in the research, exploration, and reporting of information provided for our benefits. ---
**Author:** ![marsgate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marsgate/32/168_2.png) [@marsgate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marsgate)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/18 "2008-05-26T00:38:56Z")
I also had a vivid nightmare last night…my first in about a year. I had applied 2 sprays of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) to my upper chest several hours beforehand. Guys, if you’re going to wear -none, I highly recommend you take a good hot shower before sleeping. I NEVER have nightmares and this was just too real and violent. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/19 "2008-05-26T00:53:25Z")
> [@marsgate](#): > > I also had a vivid nightmare last night…my first in about a year. I had applied 2 sprays of Ammo to my upper chest several hours beforehand. Guys, if you’re going to wear -none, I highly recommend you take a good hot shower before sleeping. I NEVER have nightmares and this was just too real and violent. I used to have nightmares almost everynight many years ago like in the movie “A Nightmare on Elm Street”! At times I forced myself to stay awake. I can ‘see’ figures like Freddy Krueger coming after me but I don’t ‘see’ much of them now!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034/20 "2008-05-26T01:18:18Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > Yes there are some excellent teachers on this forum and that is the reason i log on now and then, when time permits, so as to gain some knowledge and insights. > > The amount of intelligence and knowledge posessed by members here is really mind blowing. > > I regard Pheromones as an excellent tool, to be used in the advancement of human communications, and i appreciate the service that the forum community here offers in the research, exploration, and reporting of information provided for our benefits. Absolutely true! No doubt, we came here to seek information about pheromones (and for some of us wanted to know why Pherlure fails to work on us), but after a while I realized that I’m actually in the middle of " **The River of Knowledge and Wisdom"!😉** [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-build-up-watch-out/13034.md?page=2)