# Androstenone, P80, P83, P93, Est, TAC, TAF... question... heh! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 21, 2008, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-p80-p83-p93-est-tac-taf-question-heh/24156 "2008-12-21T23:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 4
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-p80-p83-p93-est-tac-taf-question-heh/24156/4 "2008-12-22T03:52:23Z")
> [@renny](#): > > …Everytime I wish that I had just gone with a standard Smartmones product with a little seasoning from one or maybe two putatives. Oh, but I ENJOY testing Putatives and finding exciting, new combinations. And Androtics doesn’t have exactly what I want in a standard product. Instant Shine - eh, make things pretty… doesn’t rev my husband’s engine, doesn’t rev mine, and I’ve had bad reactions with it with some Putatives at 4-5 sprays. Instant Sexiness… doesn’t work for me… doesn’t rev my husband’s engine. Come Talk To Me… great for social scene… terrible in bed…😮😃 [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)… mood lifter for me… doesn’t rev my engine, doesn’t rev my husband’s engine. Instant Honesty… I use this and it is a good product, but again… doesn’t rev my engine or my husband’s. Instant Openness… great for long talks _after_ sex… doesn’t rev my engine… doesn’t rev my husband’s engine. Lust After Me… very few, limited successes and husband hates the smell. TUTH… I can’t stand the smell… husband has bad reaction to it… it revs my engine. MX335, really nice social attractant… fun… doesn’t rev my engine or my husband’s. MX274, very nice… husband likes it… doesn’t rev his engine… hijacks me during sex, giving me an observer effect, and distancing me from physical sensations. I’m having much better success with the Putatives and raw pheromones. 😃 > [@renny](#): > > I take it back I did have one small success, but even then it could have been much better and I’m not sure it’s a repeatable test. I hope to see you work more with these particular putatives though. They are each very interesting. Thank you. I agree about the Putatives being very interesting. I’m sorry your one small success wasn’t repeatable. I’m having great repeated successes with my mixes…😃 but I’m continuing to test and tweak and I’ll continue to test and tweak until they are perfect. > [@renny](#): > > I just question if the kitchen sink approach is the best. Yes, I’m guilty of exactly the same thing so I mean no disrespect at all, and you can bet I’ll be looking for your threads. 🙂 Actually, it only seems kitchen sink, cause you aren’t in my head, Renny. 😃 If you read my posts on the Women’s Forum, you’ll see that I am searching for combinations that: a) ramp up sensuality and physical sensation during sex; b) add relaxation and timeless/mystical quality for me; c) promote emotional closeness and warmth between the two of us; and d) promote and enhance our desire for each other. You will also see that I’ve been working on these for about 3 months. Both my husband and I are 48 years old, and we’d been experiencing a drop in these things, probably related to aging. So, these were only intended for use between my husband and myself, although I have tested some of them out in public. We’re having some great successes. These are not Pick Up mixes. They are solely designed for my husband and myself to give us consistent peak experiences with each other. I think they are something no one has really attempted before. I could be wrong about that. Most of the mixes I’m working on _that target me_ are Meo-Est and Est heavy… problematic for Androtics because of the Est patent issue… but good for my own use. These mixes all contain: Est, Meo-Est, Beta Androstenol, TAC, TAF, P102 and/or P103, and Copulins. Some also contain Androstenone, P83 and/or P93. I’m finding that _ **Meo-Est** _ is sensual in just about any mix that also contains _ **TAF** _; _ **Beta Androstenol** _ is great for giving a mystical/timeless and deep experience, but too much is sedating, and you can’t remember much afterwards; _ **P102** _ and _ **P103** _ at small doses dramatically increases the amount and intensity of physical sensation, but at too high dosage is incredibly sedating; _ **TAC** _ adds both a physical tension and a relaxation element that is extremely pleasurable; _ **Est** _ adds a very nice emotional warmth and loving quality; _ **P93** _ is a bit of a nice wake-up to the mix, but needs to be in the right ratio or it’s propensity to encourage chores can be distracting; and that _ **Androstenone** _ is a powerful desire booster no matter where I am in my cycle (_ **boo** _ to those who say it only works during ovulation!), but it is extemely dose dependent, can be irritating without the other elements, and that irritation is physical and is much worse during sleep! 🙂 The following mix is different. It is for my husband. > [@diane999](#): > > …Androstenone (2.5 mcg), [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) (1.9 mcg), [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (3.2 mcg), and [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) (2.2 mcg), Beta Androstenol (2.5 mcg), [Est](https://phera.com/) (8.2 mcg), [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) (0.2 mcg) and [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) (.03 mcg). This is the basis for _my hubby’s **Merry Christmas** hot sex mix_, which _he asked me to make up for him as a stocking stuffer_. The above is the _per spray_ dosage. It is so low in TAC because I ran out and I’m waiting until after Christmas to place a new order. It is Est heavy because I want him sexually aggressive, not plain old mean aggressive… 😮 I wasn’t sure if Est would work in that way, and I always wear Est, so it may be unnecessary… but, that is my reasoning. P93 is reported to be a -none buffer, so I added that as well. I think Steve uses P93 in his successful pick up mixes as a none buffer, but I’m not sure… _feedback_ here is important. Maybe one of Androtics Products, like Ammo would work just as well as what I’m trying to accomplish. But my husband asked for a brew from his lovely wife… and he likes to have a scent option more in line with his nose… so… I made up this low dose test run to test self effects in both myself and my husband. The physical sensation boosting effects of this mix for me were phenomenal. But the aggression factor was intense until I sprayed on Meo-Est. Meo-Est mellowed out the aggression somewhat, but the aggressiveness remained, turned into sexual-conquest type of aggressiveness. That effect lasted for at least 10 hours. * * * \*\*\*\*\*\*My reason for posting is that I want to know if these Putative elements have been tested by guys and if any of them are sexually or aggression enhancing or both. From what I’ve read Meo-Est does not have the same sensual and sexual elements for guys that it does for women. We _ **want** _ all that male aggressive energy that may be in this mix, but steered in the right direction. I’m more than a little concerned by P83’s frustration enhancing quality. That can go bad very quickly in my experience, and I may take it out of his mix. But I’m torn, because a little frustration can go a long way towards moving forward… still thinking, and still tweaking! My husband tried this mix out (minus the Meo-Est) at the really lose dose with no bad effects and not so much aggression as what I experienced. I think the addition of the Est made this mix not so overtly aggressive for my husband, but I’m not sure. I’m just looking for feedback on these Putatives from the guys who have used them. Diane --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-p80-p83-p93-est-tac-taf-question-heh/24156)._