# Androstenone, Pherimone, or Not. **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [December 26, 2006, 12:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-pherimone-or-not/1274 "2006-12-26T00:43:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2006, 12:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-pherimone-or-not/1274/1 "2006-12-26T00:43:33Z")
I tried to indroduce a friend of mine to my findings on [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and effect. He is a very sceptic person who demands scientific documentation from legitimate sources for anything he doubts. He drives me up the wall at times. He can talk circles around almost anybody and make his point valid whether he is right or wrong. On top of this he’s condecending at times. Where am I going with this? I looked up scientific documents with from legitimate sources (including Ebsco host, one of IU’s and Purdues online research databases.) Many of them said that androstenone was not a pheromone, but rather a sent that is “specific anosmia” that one can aquire the capability to smell with repeat exposure. It was also stated in an Ebsco artical _Sexual differentiation in sensitivity to male body odor_ that the effects are consistantly negative. The only positive statement that would help out of the 11 pages of this journal are as follows: > [@](#): > > humans. That is still a matter for discussion, > but studies on the behavioral effects of steroids > show the possibility of pheromone-like communication > [9, 16]. Therefore, it is possible that androstenone > enhances the intensity and unpleasantness of > body odor to play the pheromone-like role of conveying > a sexual message and causing olfactory sensitivity > to change in a sexually specific way. This was obviously taken very loosely as its vague and mostly dismissed due to it beeing speculation, with no data. His final argument is that these pheromones are used by people with a pre disposition to want them to work, therefore they do. Here is my research. If anybody has any contradictory research from legit sources i’d love to rub them in his face 😃 [The scents of androstenone in humans – Araneda and Firestein 554 (1): 1 – The Journal of Physiology Online](http://jp.physoc.org/cgi/content/full/554/1/1) [Androstenone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone) If you want the best ones, I can email it to you. It’s a pdf file I saved. They are only available online to students. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2006, 2:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-pherimone-or-not/1274/2 "2006-12-26T02:29:42Z")
Just found a new source. It is still contradicts androstenones legitimacy. [The Smell of Love - Healthy Living: Living a healthy lifestyle for disease prevention on MedicineNet.com](http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=35284) Pay special attention to the last paragraph on page 2 and first on page 3 I think I aslo saw reference to androstenone as a steriod. Once again. Any documents with legit sources on pherimones actualy working (any pherimones) would be nice to see. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2006, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-pherimone-or-not/1274/3 "2006-12-27T01:47:48Z")
JVkohl has an abundance of articles and what not documenting the effectiveness of pheromones. Scent of Eros [Human Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) Lots of good documentation there. It should be noted that Khol is also very anti-androstenone. That doesn’t disprove the idea that pheromones work, however. Frankly, I would continue to use them even if all the reports indicated they don’t do squat for humans. Personal experience trumps any article IMO. Screw it, if he doesn’t want to open his mind enough to even try them…its his loss, not yours. More for you right? ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2006, 7:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-pherimone-or-not/1274/4 "2006-12-27T07:38:14Z")
Thanks for the post first of all. This information will be most helpful. > [@](#): > > Frankly, I would continue to use them even if all the reports indicated they don’t do squat for humans. Personal experience trumps any article IMO. > > Screw it, if he doesn’t want to open his mind enough to even try them…its his loss, not yours. More for you right? I agree that personal experiences can be more effective than all the science in the world. If the scientist has false or incomplete data or theory how can you make accurate findings. He definitely won’t try them. He actually compared using sexually oriented pheromones to rape. (he’s going to be a Jag Lawyer in the future. I fear for his opposition) That’s a pretty far stretch IMO. I just have to at least show him they aren’t a scam after all the trashing he did on pheromones. My buddy is normally not this ignorant so I feel compelled to take him down a notch. BTW excuse the spelling mistakes in the prior posts. I neglect to proof read at times, and I felt pretty stupid about spelling pheromone wrong in the title. lol ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2006, 9:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-pherimone-or-not/1274/5 "2006-12-27T09:22:41Z")
You should spray some on him when he isn’t looking lol ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-pherimone-or-not/1274/6 "2006-12-27T18:14:48Z")
Already planned. I’m thinking spaceland 😃