# Androstenone spray from 1980s London did nothing: do pheromones actually work? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 29, 2013, 5:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134 "2013-05-29T05:59:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 5:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/1 "2013-05-29T05:59:33Z")
In London the 1980’s i bought something in an aerosol can called androstenone. I cannot recall the brand does anyone. It was in an off white can. did not do anything. It referred to tests where it was used in a dentist waiting room I am interested in whether phermones work or not. Lots of reports are inconclusive.. she smiled at me.. seemed to be looking at me… Reading here it now seems one needs a mix of different ones. Is there anywhere you can get a free sample -are they produced in sachets or some one use? I would like to find if they work as the london one did not ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 7:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/2 "2013-05-29T07:08:58Z")
It didn’t work because it was in aerosol form. Yes [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) work but its not easy to mimic mother nature. You have to fool around with different putatives and mixes to find what works best for your biology and personality. No company I know of gives out free samples with out a purchase. They do have smaller to-go bottles here at a low cost so you can try them out before investing in the larger ones. They also have the Intro GC so you can get $25 off your first order. Mick is a little behind issuing right now due to technical difficulties but she is catching up. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 7:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/3 "2013-05-29T07:10:50Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I\*\*t didn’t work because it was in aerosol form. \*\* > > Yes Pheromones work but its not easy to mimic mother nature. You have to fool around with different putatives and mixes to find what works best for your biology and personality. > > No company I know of gives out free samples with out a purchase. They do have smaller to-go bottles here at a low cost so you can try them out before investing in the larger ones. > > They also have the Intro GC so you can get $25 off your first order. Mick is a little behind issuing right now due to technical difficulties but she is catching up. > > Tisha interesting why is that ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 7:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/4 "2013-05-29T07:15:08Z")
There are chemicals included in aerosols that damage the molecules. Aerosol application messes with diffusion and dosage as well. You can be getting to much anone or not enough. Very hard to dose. With anone especially dosing is crucial. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 8:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/5 "2013-05-29T08:46:39Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > There are chemicals included in aerosols that damage the molecules. > > Aerosol application messes with diffusion and dosage as well. You can be getting to much anone or not enough. Very hard to dose. With anone especially dosing is crucial. > > Tisha For a man 50 who wants women in their 20’s to respond sexually - not ’ friends’- what is best? i think the one i tried was called contact 18 i could be wrong ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 12:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/6 "2013-05-29T12:44:06Z")
> [@MagicGlen](#): > > For a man 50 who wants women in their 20’s to respond sexually - not ’ friends’- what is best? > > i think the one i tried was called contact 18 i could be wrong Well that’s sort of a loaded question. TUTH would be your best bet along with some Ishine. To be truthful though most 20 something year olds are not attracted to men in your age range unless your loaded and they are looking for someone to take care of them. Pheromones do work but they are only one part of attraction that give you an edge. They are not miracle potions that make people forget who they are and what there normal preferences are. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/7 "2013-05-30T02:11:32Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well that’s sort of a loaded question. > > TUTH would be your best bet along with some Ishine. To be truthful though most 20 something year olds are not attracted to men in your age range unless your loaded and they are looking for someone to take care of them. > > Pheromones do work but they are only one part of attraction that give you an edge. They are n **ot miracle potions that make people f** orget who they are and what there normal preferences are. > > Tisha then why are they advertised like that a was the original one i had? It can’t be both ways. I believe they are a scam and there is no scientific evidence for them in humans that i can find. Seems they can change the claims when it suits them. when there was only one to sell it was the onle when there were others maybe androstenone was to intimidating Any of the posts on forums are not evidence only anecdotes and not controlled in any way. Some companies give vouchers for good reviews ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/8 "2013-05-30T07:02:17Z")
> [@MagicGlen](#): > > then why are they advertised like that a was the original one i had? It can’t be both ways. I believe they are a scam and there is no scientific evidence for them in humans that i can find. > > Seems they can change the claims when it suits them. when there was only one to sell it was the onle when there were others maybe androstenone was to intimidating > > Any of the posts on forums are not evidence only anecdotes and not controlled in any way. Some companies give vouchers for good reviews Because there are a lot of really shonky customers in the phero biz - who are only interested in the fast buck! This is why **everyone** with any experience in the various phero forums advises new users to try a range of products to see what suits them best. You will soon find the quality firms and products in discussion if you take a little time. You will also soon find forums where uncritical hoo-haa from company stooges is highly unwelcome. The trouble with Androstenone is that it produces a range of reactions, positive and negative across different people, sexes, ages and even situations - any effective dose will be the best compromise for the situation you are currently in. ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/9 "2013-05-30T09:41:05Z")
One of the easiest ways to prove that pheros have an effect is for you to buy a small “To go” bottle of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) in 5mcg/spray strength, apply four or five sprays to your neck, and one to the back of each hand, wait for it to dry, then an hour later go to a busy bar or club. Then sit down with a drink amongst a bunch of men, and wait. Within 30 minutes most if not all the men will have moved away from you. This is a moderate overdose, and is a fairly dramatic demonstration of the raw masculine power that P75 projects. Try the same thing without applying P75. Do this several times, in different bars and clubs, with and without P75. You will see very strong evidence of the effects of pheros. Now, when it comes to attracting women, things are more complicated, especially if there is a big age difference. There has to be some sort of attraction in the first place. If a guy is grossly overweight, unfit, smells bad and dresses like a slob, then no pheros on the planet will make him attractive to hot women. BUT if a guy is reasonably fit, looks clean, is dressed in cool gear, and looks happy and fun to be around, THEN pheros can give an extra edge. They are an extra component. If you spend some time testing which ones work best for you, they can be pretty effective. But they are not magic, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 11:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/10 "2013-05-30T11:01:21Z")
> [@MagicGlen](#): > > then why are they advertised like that a was the original one i had? It can’t be both ways. I believe they are a scam and there is no scientific evidence for them in humans that i can find. > > Seems they can change the claims when it suits them. when there was only one to sell it was the onle when there were others maybe androstenone was to intimidating > > Any of the posts on forums are not evidence only anecdotes and not controlled in any way. Some companies give vouchers for good reviews Plus you got a money back guarantee, so you really got nothing to lose ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 11:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/11 "2013-05-30T11:03:32Z")
> [@MagicGlen](#): > > then why are they advertised like that a was the original one i had? It can’t be both ways. I believe they are a scam and there is no scientific evidence for them in humans that i can find. > > Seems they can change the claims when it suits them. when there was only one to sell it was the onle when there were others maybe androstenone was to intimidating > > Any of the posts on forums are not evidence only anecdotes and not controlled in any way. Some companies give vouchers for good reviews First also I should mention. Mones are just like a nice pair of clothes, a nice cologne, good gooming, it’s all part of the equation. Three years and 5700 posts later, I’m a complete believer. The key is to understand what mones can do, and what they can’t do. Mones to not work magic, but they do help, A LOT. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 12:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/12 "2013-05-30T12:38:18Z")
> [@MagicGlen](#): > > then why are they advertised like that a was the original one i had? It can’t be both ways. I believe they are a scam and there is no scientific evidence for them in humans that i can find. > > Seems they can change the claims when it suits them. when there was only one to sell it was the onle when there were others maybe androstenone was to intimidating > > Any of the posts on forums are not evidence only anecdotes and not controlled in any way. Some companies give vouchers for good reviews Think about it, pheromones are not the only product sold that are hyped up by some marketers so they sell more products. You’ll find that in all markets. That doesn’t mean something doesn’t work or that its not legitimate. It doesn’t mean all pheromone companies are bad either. You just need to learn to sort the facts from the bull crap. So its illogical to just assume pheromones are a scam just because some skanky dealers uses less then true marketing practices. This forum doesn’t give vouchers or credit for reviews. They do give a introduction GC for introducing yourself though. You can give your review good or bad. All they ask is you give it a try and use it correctly. They are not going to tell you they will do something they wont just to get you to buy them. Read here\>\>\> > [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558): > > A lot of people come in to the forum and read all the wonderful stories about peoples experiences with [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). New people end up trying them out with high expectations and usually as they get to know the product those expectations are met to some extent and sometimes not because there expectations were to high But I think its best for people to have a realistic view on what exactly they can and can not do. I get a lot of PM’s from people asking me why "they couldn’t get there cheati… and here \>\>\> > [@An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003): > > Welcome to an exciting world of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). By joining our community you have taken a HUGE step in progressing a science that is cutting edge and still in its infancy. This community is globally important in recognizing pheromones, and Neuroinfluence Technology ? and their impact on human communication. There are thousands of posts here and thousands more users. Each one of us, including you, adds a unique dynamic to the community from our individual perspectives, experiences and our research an… to get a better understanding of them. Go here to read scientific studies done on pheromones. There is a lot of scientific evidence you just need to know where to look. > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/studies-abstracts/)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life All these studies are conducted by outside sources, Labs, universities etc. etc… Not by the pheromone companies. There will be links to bring you to their websites. Its up to you. It doesn’t matter to any of us whether you believe it or not or whether you try it or not. If you do decide to though and you need help or tips we are here to help. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/13 "2013-05-30T14:32:59Z")
Androtics generally welcomes skeptics. Go through the intro forum and qualify for the GC, if you have not already. IJ, I think, may cure your skepticism. You might even buy a 5 mL of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) instead. I have used 20 mcg of P75 at least ten times. It produced highly obvious results 100% of the time. I suspect 20 mcg -eNone would also. Go for thirty, if you must. You’ll see something, no doubt. Might not be to your liking, but you’ll see something. However, for men’s proof of effects, nothing rivals a wrecking ball of P75. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/14 "2013-05-31T02:01:10Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > if you have not already. IJ, I think, may cure your skepticism. Yes - Try three or four sprays IJ and go for a drink in the roughest bar in your area. It won’t be long before you get proof, of a sort - although it may not be pleasant! 😉😮😃 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/15 "2013-05-31T04:20:03Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes - Try three or four sprays IJ and go for a drink in the roughest bar in your area. It won’t be long before you get proof, of a sort - although it may not be pleasant! 😉😮😃 My record is 60 mcg 75 and 20 pure None. Would never venture the None without the armed escort of 75 close by. Not in the seedy bowerys I frequent. 75 is like the pocket derringer at a rigged saloon card came in Dodge City on a Saturday night. That said, Androtics never used 75 in pherobomb / MX353, etc. They should. 7.5 of 75 and None plus maybe some 79 just for kicks. Just the 75 and None is proof of pheromones. As long as you don’t go much over 10 of each, it’s not too dangerous. You don’t absolutely need buffers with it, but it’s frankly more a frat house, wh\*re house, Emperor Caligula mix…not one for timid women at all. Cougar candy though. All doubts of pheromone reality are cured quickly with a blend of the potent heavy hitters. None, P75 and P102 are damned potent themselves. Be warned of this if you get a freebie. You can OD on masculine products if you add P102. 😮😠😮 ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/16 "2013-05-31T04:33:21Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes - Try three or four sprays IJ and go for a drink in the roughest bar in your area. It won’t be long before you get proof, of a sort - although it may not be pleasant! 😉😮😃 just because you get beaten up in a rough area does not mean it is the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/). That is the lack of logic that annoys me. You can get hit just because you are there Why is it that some of thew products do not have a drop down descriptionwhen hovered ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/17 "2013-05-31T04:35:06Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Androtics generally welcomes skeptics. Go through the intro forum and qualify for the GC, if you have not already. IJ, I think, may cure your skepticism. You might even buy a 5 mL of P75 instead. I have used 20 mcg of P75 at least ten times. It produced highly obvious results 100% of the time. I suspect 20 mcg -eNone would also. Go for thirty, if you must. You’ll see something, no doubt. Might not be to your liking, but you’ll see something. However, for men’s proof of effects, nothing rivals a wrecking ball of P75. You have to make a purchase to qualify for the GC? ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/18 "2013-05-31T04:38:14Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > One of the easiest ways to prove that pheros have an effect is for you to buy a small “To go” bottle of P75 in 5mcg/spray strength, apply four or five sprays to your neck, and one to the back of each hand, wait for it to dry, then an hour later go to a busy bar or club. Then sit down with a drink amongst a bunch of men, and wait. Within 30 minutes most if not all the men will have moved away from you. This is a moderate overdose, and is a fairly dramatic demonstration of the raw masculine power that P75 projects. > Try the same thing without applying P75. Do this several times, in different bars and clubs, with and without P75. You will see very strong evidence of the effects of pheros. > Now, when it comes to attracting women, things are more complicated, especially if there is a big age difference. There has to be some sort of attraction in the first place. If a guy is gros **sly overweight, unfit, smells bad and dresses like a slob, th** en no pheros on the planet will make him attractive to hot women. > BUT if a guy is reasonably fit, looks clean, is dressed in cool gear, and looks happy and fun to be around, THEN pheros can give an extra edge. They are an extra component. If you spend some time testing which ones work best for you, they can be pretty effective. > But they are not magic, sorry. p75 is androstenone? I am not overweight/ do not smell and dress OK ---
**Author:** ![Osamitra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/osamitra/32/1505_2.png) [@Osamitra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Osamitra)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/19 "2013-05-31T06:30:42Z")
Just beacuse you get beaten up once does not mean anything, but if you spread it around to 10 consistant, consecutive incidents when you were just minding your own business… well, there has to be something there besides bad luck or social skills. P75 is a putative (a single molecule suspected to act like a pheromone) that alot of members like to test and have found positive benefits to using. Androstenone (abreviated as none) IS a pheromone that has been identified, quantified and used as the primary ingrediant in some of the products of the “consumer line”. Just follow the instructions in the intro section of the forum to get the gc. didn’t say anything about having to buy something did it? AD tends to be direct and has avoided the use of fine print or smoke and mirrors. ---
**Author:** ![MagicGlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MagicGlen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MagicGlen)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-spray-from-1980s-london-did-nothing-do-pheromones-actually-work/59134/20 "2013-05-31T07:36:57Z")
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