# Androsterone Anxiety Attack **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 21, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274 "2009-03-21T00:17:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/21 "2009-03-22T14:34:20Z")
i’ve been bartending for 14 years and alcohol is _evil_ for the brain. _evillllllllll_ (think mermaid-man and barnicle-boy) i used to drink 5 days a week, several shots a day. had anxiety attacks. since i have been drinking beer, no anxiety attacks. _at all._ not wanting to jinx myself,here\*.\* - looks for wood to knock on for luck and then remembers this forum talks about sex so decides to quit looking for “wood” \* i think its the brewers yeast that makes me feel better. im in NO WAY encouraging drinking. if anything, stay away. _if your going to drink_, id take micro-brew over toxin-ridden chemical-coctail. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/22 "2009-03-22T16:24:06Z")
> [@](#): > > - looks for wood to knock on for luck and then remembers this forum talks about sex so decides to quit looking for “wood” \* snort 😃 > [@](#): > > i think its the brewers yeast that makes me feel better. Probably, I have been meaning to look into that as well. One of the girls at work takes it in supplement form and swears by it. > [@](#): > > im in NO WAY encouraging drinking. > if anything, stay away. I know that and didn’t mean to imply you were encouraging it. My only defense is my mommy side is showing LOL > [@](#): > > _if your going to drink, id take micro-brew over toxin-ridden chemical-coctail._ The only time I ever drink beer is when its really hot out, otherwise I don’t care for it much but when I do I will look for micro brewed. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/23 "2009-03-22T17:15:26Z")
Well, after trying all of the basic consumers in guerrilla warfare style, IG seems to be the only one I had a negative reaction to, and as you can see from the second day, I didn’t quite have the same reaction. As we’ve discussed, it could be an isolated incident or a fluke, or a result of overusing pheromones. Some other data for thought though. IG also appeared to have the “worst” scent of the neroli products. If I had to rank them, from worst to best: IG IO Ishine IH IH was the only one that smelled “pleasant” under direct scrutiny while the others have varying degrees of stink to them, at least initially. It was not really a “human” ish smell to me, like BO, I have a hard time describing what I would call it. perhaps that is because these components are found in much smaller amounts on the body naturally? The manner of testing may also indicate that my nose is suffering from neroli OD, so I have devised a better test to perform after my detox period. Ishine had the quickest “dry down” to the point where the “off” note was indistinguishable from the neroli (like 5-10 minutes.). Speed wise from quickest to slowest: IS (5 minutes) IH / IO (15-30 minutes) IG (more than one hour) The pheromone note, from what I could detect, seemed ever present in the IG test, to the point where it was beginning to bother me. Historically, IO has been my most used of those four, followed by IShine. Both IH and IG had received very little use, and only at a spray or two dosage. I would place TUTH in a different category scent wise. I hadn’t tried it here as I ran out of time, and I had most recently used it to great success. TUTH smells sharp and sweaty to me. Completely different from the other neroli consumer products. Starting now, I am taking a break from testing until April 3rd. Hey Tish, can you recommend a good store that sells those vitamins online? I do most of my shopping online as it just makes it easier and less stressful to have things sent directly to me. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/24 "2009-03-31T00:11:57Z")
OK, I know I said 2 weeks phero free, but a week long vacation has completely refreshed me and I feel king of kings. So let’s revisit our biggest offender. I was really wanting to just blame it all on being burnt out and bummed out, I’d hate for something in my arsenal to be causing some bad vibes. Let’s hope it was just a coincidence and jump right in. 3 hours ago. 4x sprays IG. Gah. ack. bleck. splork. shiver. blurg. Burn me once, just coincidence. Burn me twice, now I’m paying attention. Not yet conclusive proof by any means, but enough that I’m afraid to try the experiment a third time. 4 sprays of IG appears to produce very negative self effects. If old threads can be trusted, this is 12.5mcg of -Rone per spray. Effects started within 10 minutes, and continued to build over the next hour. I have developed a huge tension in my upper chest, shoulders, and throat. Feeling very nervous and shaky. Audio overload, for some reason my music seems like it is attacking my ears. My head feels like it’s running in a million directions at once, and I can’t focus. Spaz. Spaz. Shaky, can’t seem to leave my chair. If there is a hell, this is how it smells, I just want to curl up under my desk. 2.5 hours in. Maybe starting to recede slowly. Tension has let up, but not completely. Audio oddness still seems a bit present, not an effect I had seen reported with IG… Gonna give it another half an hour, then I’m just going take a shower, still feeling kinda crap. Certainly not more confident in myself. At the very least, this test seems to demonstrate that there is a definite upper limit to IG, and that it should be approached with maybe a little bit of caution. Perhaps I am just reacting negatively, or perhaps there is a similar age/dose range like -none. To test conclusively, I will have to run a few more tests. #1 re-run IG at 3x sprays. Further again at 2x. #2 Run a “pure” -Rone test to make sure that it’s not some weird additive not present in the other consumers. edit: took a shower, and now I’m feeling exactly as good as I was before I started. Hunky dory Hunky dory. Even the music is back to being more rocking. This all almost seems just as weird as the sudden onset of the above mentioned craziness. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/25 "2009-03-31T00:57:13Z")
How are you reacting to a314? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/26 "2009-03-31T01:29:34Z")
Hey Marty, that’s awful, but it clearly demonstrates that there is no one size fits all in the world of pheromones. Looking forward to the -rone test. Reps for trying IG yet again. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/27 "2009-03-31T01:54:04Z")
Well, I haven’t used A314 in a long while actually, but I don’t have problems with it typically. I also only use a single drop though, two at the most. When I used too much of that, I had negative effects, but I can’t remember what they were specifically, and at the time I wrote it of as a -NONE overdose and didn’t consider anything else. Right now, it’s just looking like, well, this is TOO much IG or -Rone or whatever. So we continue testing, scaling it back until either I find a good spot, or I can’t spray less. The thing is though, I always considered IG to be in the league of IShine, IO, or IH in that you couldn’t really OD on them to negative effects. Or I figured I’d surely die of neroli shock before hitting the OD point at least. So hitting a bad spot at 4 sprays surprised me as -None seems to be the only “consumer”-ey molecule that’s treated with any sense of caution. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/28 "2009-03-31T02:19:23Z")
I’ve actually had the same problem at 4 sprays of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) (to the neck/head area. I’ve discovered that I can carry 3 sprays comfortably (1 to each side of the neck and either one to the back of the neck or split between the wrists). 4 and I am a nervous wreck. I also notice that at 2 sprays people are very polite but they won’t necessarily approach me or move without me asking. At 3 sprays it is as if I’m a rock star that people move aside for as if to say, ‘Wow, that guy is awesome!’ I get smiles and a lot of attention from women and men seem to go out of their way to be helpful. When combined with some Instant Shine, it seems to provide a slight sexual edge for women. Makes them actually come and talk to me even without CTTM or Instant Openness. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/29 "2009-03-31T05:07:35Z")
i am _in love_ with Ammo, and too much of that will make me sick. you just cant bathe in these, is my opinion. everything dosed, everything in moderation. 1 spray of anything here is more than your body produces, so i dont know why so many wear so much… of _anything_. 1 spray of instant gentleman to the chest,Marty, and i would be huffing you _purposefully_. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/30 "2009-03-31T08:27:05Z")
Well Marty we can conclude that 4 sprays is to much. To much of anything can make you feel like shit and the same go’s for pheromones so my suggestion would be to never use more then 25 to 30 mcgs or IG. If you had trouble with A314 then use even less IG then the above because A314 is oil and diffuses slowly. You shouldn’t have had this effect with it. Now how about ammo ? Do you have trouble with that ? Oh and sorry I missed your question about where to get supplements. I usually use [Country life](http://www.country-life.com/)for mine. > [@](#): > > 1 spray of anything here is more than your body produces, > so i dont know why so many wear so much… > of _anything_. Well I would say because we are all different and need different amounts to see effects from the products. Just like with anything else you have to find a balance that works for you. Enough to cause a reaction which is why we buy the products and not to much so we don’t feel out of sorts. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/31 "2009-03-31T17:38:06Z")
Well, the only way to find the line is to not be afraid to cross it. :o Now that we’ve found out what too much is, we can more rationally understand “Just enough.” Sure it feels shitty, but knowing the negative aspects are just as important as finding the positives. > [@Lor](#): > > everything dosed, > everything in moderation. > [@tisha23](#): > > Well Marty we can conclude that 4 sprays is to much. To much of anything can make you feel like shit and the same go’s for pheromones so my suggestion would be to never use more then 25 to 30 mcgs or IG. > > If you had trouble with A314 then use even less IG then the above because A314 is oil and diffuses slowly. You shouldn’t have had this effect with it. > > Now how about ammo ? Do you have trouble with that ? > > Tisha Thanks Tisha, part of this experiment goes back to some of my recent MX testing in which some really popular mixes gave me some less than stellar results. The failures I blame partly on the self effect aspect throwing off my “state of being.” Specifically, I was looking for something that increases my desire to avoid people, and gives me anxiety. Something that makes crowds and loud noises bother me. So I’ve been going back and trying to determine what popular molecules I have potential problems with, what those problems are, and how much causes them. Then using that information to see if I can find some correlation. I was relatively sure it wasn’t either of the -nols, not -TAA, and -none seems to have a different OD effect so I ruled that one out as well. The best way to rapidly test the consumer’s fairly quickly seemed to be to start with a high dose, hoping that whatever I could find would stand out fairly plainly and fairly quickly. So to start with, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) piqued my interest since I had little experience with it, and I almost seemed to find what I was looking for immediately. I still need to see what sort of effects I find at lower doses, and I still want to do some more testing on other consumers as well. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/32 "2009-04-06T23:24:27Z")
Continuing testing on [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) to see where the negative effects begin. Last time was 4x sprays and that was complete hell. But if I didn’t try 4 sprays, I’m not sure I would have noticed that this mix is causing me to react badly. Today is 3x sprays. Same quickly rising feeling of tension and anxiety, but not nearly as intense. I was having an ok day, the tension started about 10-20 minutes after application. I would say that the level is manageable, but still uncomfortable. If I wasn’t looking for it, I might have simply assumed I was having a bad day, but I was prepared for it, and almost expecting it. Still it’s unnatural to go from feeling fine to feeling pretty shitty in the course of 20 minutes. edit: Tension and anxiety seems to be fading slowly. roughly about an hour maybe. Now I just feel tired, but I was kinda tired to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/33 "2009-04-28T01:47:18Z")
Wearing 2 sprays of IG right now. Didn’t seem to get the massive anxiety that I was getting previously at 3 or 4 sprays. Just a little bit of the muscle tension. Right now I am really spaced out. Loss of focus, not being productive like I would like to be. Having difficulty concentrating. \ I also don’t really care. It’s a feeling I have right now. I don’t really care. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/34 "2009-04-28T02:05:32Z")
Do you have any straight rone? It would be interesting to hear if you have the same effects from that. A to-go bottle at 12.5 mcg/spray shouldn’t be too much. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274/35 "2009-04-28T17:40:14Z")
No I do not unfortunately. I’d like to try one, but there are so many other molecules that I would much rather get right now. I’m rather broke as it is, and I still end up getting the next newest thing anyways… If anyone would be willing to part with a to-go of 12.5mcg Straight -RONE in a trade, I could put something of my own on the table. I really should type up a full list of everything I’ve got… [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274.md?page=1)