# Androtics flagship mone revisited **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 5, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-flagship-mone-revisited/57218 "2012-11-05T12:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-flagship-mone-revisited/57218/21 "2012-11-11T04:29:13Z")
In nature dominance status is constantly shifting, and the same is true for men. There is an always-developing complex interaction between environment, thoughts, feelings, capabilities and physiology that shapes the status of a man in his environment. Of course, who a man is can be separated from how he is currently recognized at that instant in that milieu. But I would have thought it rather obvious that by learning to behave differently, and to develop different parts of himself, a man can raise his underlying qualities such that in the circles that matter to him, his status is raised. I have always understood this to be pretty much a universally shared belief in the early days here, judging by posts from MHarris, Jasmin, etc. Women don’t tend to like this kind of idea when expressed in a simplistic form. There is fear of being tricked by an underlying low quality male who has adopted the demeanour, and only the demeanour of higher quality men. But whether the idea is true stands independently of whether it is an agreeable idea to the female mind. So I am afraid that I must respectfully disagree. Becoming a better man (and part of this journey may include a theoretical and practical study of social dynamics) can certainly make you a better man. (Alpha male, in the terminology of this thread, although I wouldn’t put it this way myself). Social groups need followers as well as leaders. There are few things more contemptible than seeing a bunch of young guys, when engaged in a group project, all jumping over each other in the struggle for interpersonal dominance whilst neglecting to consider that there is a greater goal at hand, and that failure for the group from failing to put the best man in charge will ultimately lead to much worse than the status knock from adopting a follower role in this particular context. Is it beta to study social dynamics? I rather think not. Core change certainly can come from making tiny changes to behaviours, and from the experience of small successes moving on to making larger changes. Behaviour and how one conceives of oneself are rather closely linked! Via physiology, as well as via the more obvious cognitive route. ---
**Author:** ![veramis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/848f3c/32.png) [@veramis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/veramis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-flagship-mone-revisited/57218/22 "2012-11-11T09:49:47Z")
I’ve seen groups of people where there wasn’t quite an alpha male or alpha female as commonly described. I’m Chinese and something about our culture is people higher up try to humble themselves and people below try not to seem smarter than their superiors. And we try to direct respect to those who are least alpha, the elderly. It’s like we’re all betas, and if someone tries to be an alpha as commonly described he most likely would have windows of opportunities politely closed to him. Not to say I think that’s a superior way of conduct, all the etiquette and conformism can be tiring. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-flagship-mone-revisited/57218/23 "2012-11-12T02:17:12Z")
So I’m at a hotel Last night and a314b 1 spray 2 ammo single strength and 3 instant shine double strength applied. Blonde chick who knows me but never gives me attention comes over happy to greet me and SO.. Then after I ask her how her midterms went she starts flirting with me like crazy.. I could tell by IOI she was at first initimidated by my mone signature (lack of prolonged eye contact) and later she kinda exploded and was really into me. I really like a314b.. i day I’ll drop by the hotel alone and she how she responds when I’m not with company. She about 23, russian, 5’10" (2 inches taller than me) and 130 lbs with legs for miles and a cute face and luscious blonde hair. Well that’s about all I can report on this mix.. Funny thing is I wasn’t talking about myself nor being overly alpha with it on.. I was just asking her a few simple questions about her life.. turns around about 15 min later she starts asking me questions. No compliments were exchanged. I seem to do better when I don’t compliment woman.. they seem to work harder to get my attention instead. BTW this same mix I took to two different venues , swiss chalet, and Williams pub.. The audiences where more social and down to earth people and I got NO results there. It seems a powerful signature in these places get me nothing but standoffish reponses from woman. Any idea how I can make this mix work in these places? I think I lucked out on this phero signature at the upscale hotel – right mones for the right venue and apparently for the right woman (poweful russian beauty)… 1 /50 chance. I know what to wear when I make a trip there. I think more tamed signatures work better at family oriented places, but then again they turn my confidence to mush making irrelavent blab the center of discussion. One thing I noticed with the a314 in the mix is that my focus and concentration and overall memory was sharpened.. In essence I was smarter. I kinda figured this would be the case as a314 is said to improve focus and concentration powers. I really dig A314b, IS, and Ammo… its a tried and true mix.. I believe RADMAN introduced it to the forum ages ago. Sometimes I’d rather just wear a mix like this in differing proportions and spend the rest of my time working on my body, fashion, personality, and earning power. Too much time playing around with all kinds of mone combos takes away from my time in these other areas and hinders my overall success rate. ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-flagship-mone-revisited/57218/24 "2012-11-29T03:52:58Z")
> [@](#): > > It is usually hard for men over 30 to be alpha without respectable jobs, money and confidence. > For example, a man that works at home depot or resturant won’t be taken seriously by people no matter how confident and tough he acts. I have a very intelligent friend who dropped his law education to become a driver in public transport which happens to be his childhood dream. He’s not over 30 but I’m fairly confident that he will be alpha when he’s over 30 even when he doesn’t get a well paying job. Maximizing the amount of money just isn’t the goal in his life. If making a lot of money is a goal in your life and you don’t have money by the time your 30 then it will be hard to be an alpha. Take the film the Peaceful Warrior. The zen master works at the gas station. When the protagonist asks him why he doesn’t have a more “successful” job, he answers this job is good, it gives me an opportunity to be of service. He’s an alpha. A alpha doesn’t need to be successful according to the criteria of other people. In a way those people who are completely at peace with themselves even through they don’t follow societies criteria’s are even more impressive. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 10:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-flagship-mone-revisited/57218/25 "2012-11-29T10:26:44Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > They are talking about men their own age. That doesn’t mean they want to jump 20 years ahead. > > One key point you brought up is they feel they are not “settled enough” Thats true, but your not looking to hook up to settle down with someone. You have said many times before, Your looking for the same thing those 20 something guys are looking for. They are not going to ignore that because your older. > > I agree with John, I have friends that are totally not related to work of all different ages and most people I know do. > > I dont agree with this either. Older men have skills and by the time a women is at the peaking age skill trumps frequency every single time. > > OK maybe I am confusing you with someone..seriously. As I recall your involved with someone already in a long term relationship with a mutual agreement to have side action. Is that correct ? > > So your saying you would lead a women on and make her think that its more then casual even though you know thats all your intentions are and lie about your age as well ? Dude thats cold. Women are emotional creatures. We can handle ONS better then someone misleading their affections. > > Think about your expectations. Your expecting a women to fill your needs without regard to her own. That makes the 23 to 28 even tougher because they are looking for mature, which translates into long term (someone who want to have a relationship that moves forward) There are those “other women” out there but it never ends well and no one sets out to be the other women. You cant match the alpha vibe if thats what your intentions are. Its a Beta quality. > > I am not judging but I think your expectations are a bit out of alignment. > > Tisha Always the voice of reason in a sea of crazy expectations Tisha. Thank you for posting…here, and in another place I shall not mention. 😉 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-flagship-mone-revisited/57218.md?page=1)