# Androtics Products Elsewhere **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 15, 2007, 10:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543 "2007-09-15T10:05:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/21 "2007-09-18T01:52:33Z")
Why try to recreate PP? Why not make something better? WE GOT PUTATIVES BABY!!!111111oneoneone ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/22 "2007-09-18T05:34:26Z")
I thought there was a patent preventing EST used in a mix. Otherwise i have a few product suggestions for Androtics. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 8:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/23 "2007-09-18T08:19:19Z")
Does that patent affect MEO-EST, too? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/24 "2007-09-18T09:10:53Z")
> [@](#): > > I thought there was a patent preventing EST used in a mix. Not in a “mix.” You can mix it 'til the cows come home. The patent covers scented products, e.g., colognes with EST. Also A-1 is in the same boat. That’s why IFM is unscented. Kinda a blessing in disguise to lose the fermented fruit smell that plagues many androtics product. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/25 "2007-09-18T09:49:48Z")
Well, we discard EST, do you agree with TAF in PheroProof/MX101? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/26 "2007-09-18T10:10:18Z")
> [@capone](#): > > Does that patent affect MEO-EST, too? No, its a completely different molecule. Erox/Pherin’s patent only covers Estratetraenol and Androstadienone. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 10:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/27 "2007-09-18T10:17:08Z")
Jasmin, thank you very much for the answer. Could you please tell me what is exactly patented? The production process? The molecule? Could Androtics include EST in a premade mix (like [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), for example) as long as you buy the molecule from erox? Or can you sinthetize the molecule but cannot include it in your mixes? Or Androtics cannot do anything but buy it from them and resell it? Is it simply that nobody can make a mix based on EST or Androstadienone if it is perfumed? Or you cannot make a mix based in them, perfumed or not? Thank you very much, Jas, o’ queen o’ knowledge 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/28 "2007-09-18T11:32:48Z")
AFAIK, anyone can _make_ the molecules and sell them. The patent only covers using these molecules with fragrance. Our dienone and estratetraenol is synthesized here on American soil for us, and are both reference sample quality (meaning its the EXACT same synthesis as what they use in better academic studies, like Regina Maiworm’s work with A1, for example). From what I understand, we can make and sell mixes with them, but _only_ _sans_ fragrance. > [@capone](#): > > Jasmin, thank you very much for the answer. > > Could you please tell me what is exactly patented? The production process? The molecule? Could Androtics include EST in a premade mix (like Ammo, for example) as long as you buy the molecule from erox? Or can you sinthetize the molecule but cannot include it in your mixes? Or Androtics cannot do anything but buy it from them and resell it? > > Is it simply that nobody can make a mix based on EST or Androstadienone if it is perfumed? Or you cannot make a mix based in them, perfumed or not? > > Thank you very much, Jas, o’ queen o’ knowledge 😉 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 12:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/29 "2007-09-18T12:00:54Z")
It’s clear now for me Jas, Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 12:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/30 "2007-09-18T12:11:04Z")
So, PheroProof can’t carry EST or Androstadienone because it’s Ammo-scented. Two discarded. There are a few pheros left 😉. Maybe the descriptions in the official page aren’t very similiar to the products that really are there, or simply are general descriptions. For example the descriptions of the known components are not very specific… ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/31 "2007-09-18T22:02:01Z")
> [@changazn](#): > > Why try to recreate PP? Why not make something better? > WE GOT PUTATIVES BABY!!!111111oneoneone Is there someway to get a perfectly balanced mix between mx103 & mx203? Maybe get. . . mx306 😮. ---
**Author:** ![BiffyFighters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/34f0e0/32.png) [@BiffyFighters](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BiffyFighters)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/32 "2011-03-30T17:28:47Z")
I know this thread is old, but i’m just wondering if the A314 on [www. **a314**.com](http://www.a314.com/) is exactly the same as what’s sold here? I’ve been wanting to try the oil for ages and the price on the website is $69 whereas here it’s $109. Is it legit? I know Michael Harris is a phero-veteran but the site was made back in 2005. Thanks 😃 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/33 "2011-03-30T17:32:13Z")
> [@BiffyFighters](#): > > I know this thread is old, but i’m just wondering if the A314 on [www. **a314**.com](http://www.a314.com/) is exactly the same as what’s sold here? I’ve been wanting to try the oil for ages and the price on the website is $69 whereas here it’s $109. > > Is it legit? I know Michael Harris is a phero-veteran but the site was made back in 2005. > > Thanks 😃 Yes but I believe that doesn’t work like that anymore. That was replaced my [smartmones.com](http://smartmones.com) I believe. Steve should be able to shed some light on this one or John. ---
**Author:** ![kevindill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kevindill/32/1429_2.png) [@kevindill](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kevindill)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543/34 "2011-03-30T17:37:14Z")
It’ll still let you place an order… Don’t know what’ll happen tho’ [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androtics-products-elsewhere/5543.md?page=1)