# anti-converter? **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [July 3, 2006, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466 "2006-07-03T18:55:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/1 "2006-07-03T18:55:01Z")
i was wondering if anyone had information on whether or not grapeseed oil/extract, or citricidal ( i may be wrong on the name) used in other cosmetic/ herbal preps to maintain purity , is being used to keep [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) from converting. its antibacterial, but very viscous, so i would think thinning it out would be in order…😕 ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/2 "2006-07-24T04:32:45Z")
Sounds reasonable. Maybe the manufacturer should try formulas with it! If I was the manufacturer, I’d also give Triclosan a try… it’s used in a bunch of cosmetic products now, like antibacterial soap. (Though it might make it a pharmaceutical… laws are weird about stuff like that. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan) ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/3 "2006-07-24T04:42:15Z")
> [@mbakron](#): > > Sounds reasonable. Maybe the manufacturer should try formulas with it! > > If I was the manufacturer, I’d also give Triclosan a try… it’s used in a bunch of cosmetic products now, like antibacterial soap. (Though it might make it a pharmaceutical… laws are weird about stuff like that. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan) i just like the grapeseed stuff because its ingestable. i heard alot of people are getting the pheromones licked off,lol. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/4 "2006-07-24T05:30:04Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i heard alot of people are getting the pheromones licked off,lol. Sounds like good news to me! My first order will be arriving shortly! I intend to enjoy it. But I will always be analyzing, and seeing just what is capable of. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/5 "2006-07-24T05:34:52Z")
Hops extract would be quite antibacterial and edible, too. They originally put hops in beer to inhibit bacterial growth. Hop extract would have a nice, flowery aroma. Of course, it also is capable of putting people to sleep, so it might not be a perfect scent. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2006, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/6 "2006-08-06T05:09:27Z")
This is one reason I suggested fluorinated mones. (Even though I know someone in this forum will freak at the mention of it.) They should not convert. But they may behave like Anol, Bnol, anone, something else entirely, or they may not work at all! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/7 "2006-08-07T02:33:41Z")
> [@mbakron](#): > > This is one reason I suggested fluorinated mones. (Even though I know someone in this forum will freak at the mention of it.) > They should not convert. But they may behave like Anol, Bnol, anone, something else entirely, or they may not work at all! seems to me i remember someone mentioning that it wouldnt work,then they went on to explain why. damned if i can find the post, but has anyone actually tried it? ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 3:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/8 "2006-08-07T03:17:38Z")
I don’t know… It shouldn’t take more than an 8-hour day or two total of chemical work to make the stuff from known compounds. If combinatorial techniques were used, several could be made in about the same time. I know they tried some fluorinated and halogenated stuff without much luck. There are a LOT of things you can do at or near the active site that could have substantial effects on conversion, but they also could totally change the activity. At the minimum, you would have to make dozens of variations to find a pattern. I really wish I knew structures for the putatives and for inactive compounds. Then I could know what has and has not been done, and find patterns of things that do and don’t work. Yes, I’m a geek like that. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/9 "2006-08-07T23:33:59Z")
You should work with those super nerd chemist guys in Androtics mbakron =) lol. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/10 "2006-08-08T01:32:07Z")
Maybe in a couple years I will! ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 2:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/11 "2006-08-08T02:44:27Z")
You shouldn’t experience much conversion with our consumer oriented Instant line products, unless you’re applying them straight into your armpits. We’ve considered most of the common problems plaguing the bulk of [pheromone](https://a314.com/) brands, and invested much time and effort in working on ameliorating these issues. There are several systems in place to to take care of this. Tricolosan has been a fad for awhile in antibacterial products, but it may be on it’s way out. There’s some concern about it causing adaption. (interesting to see European toothpaste with both triclosan and zinc as antibacterial agents, though – you won’t find that in the US!) Parabens may be on their way out of cosmetics, too, since they’ve been shown to affect hormonal metabolism. Btw, Lor, you probably don’t have to worry much about negative conversions, anyway. More coccal than coryneform in the mix of women’s skin flora. It’s corynebacterium that creates the abundance of smelly byproducts. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/12 "2006-08-08T04:30:16Z")
Hey, maybe that’s why (how) men produce more none! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/13 "2006-08-08T16:44:45Z")
> [@mbakron](#): > > Hey, maybe that’s why (how) men produce more none! without wearable pheromones … that would be a catch22 if i had to rub a man all over me BEFORE i went out to play… ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 9:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/14 "2006-08-08T21:41:21Z")
Hey Mbakron, you said you were into chemistry right? I’m not supersmart like a rocket scientist or chemist, but I am curious and just have to know. What sort of process goes through the mind of a chemist when he’s working? What is the life of a chemist like? What is a chemist thinking when he does chemistry work? I know Jasmin told me alittle about those chemist guys over there.. but from that I could only think they’d do crazy stuff holed up in a sterile lab all day. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/15 "2006-08-09T04:22:22Z")
> [@Rob](#): > > Hey Mbakron, you said you were into chemistry right? I’m not supersmart like a rocket scientist or chemist, but I am curious and just have to know. What sort of process goes through the mind of a chemist when he’s working? What is the life of a chemist like? What is a chemist thinking when he does chemistry work? I know Jasmin told me alittle about those chemist guys over there.. but from that I could only think they’d do crazy stuff holed up in a sterile lab all day. Well, I’m just a graduate student, but I think I’ve got the thinking like a chemist down. At least thinking like an organic chemist. I think kinda like this: What compounds are or might be useful to make or modify? How do we currently make or modify them? Could there be an easier way? And is there a modification nobody has tried before? What is the scope of this technique? (Or: will it be useful for a lot of things?) What are its limitations? (What can’t I use it for?) If one of my steps fails, is there a way around it? The scope and limitations require an intimate knowledge of the mechanism for the reaction, and they usually require testing. When something unexpected occurs, I try to figure out what happened and why. This may give insight into the mechanism. Sometimes, unexpected things happen with no explaination, and you just have to chalk it up as an unexpected result and move on. Somebody will probably come up with an explaination later, whether it’s you or someone who reads your publications. One must keep in mind that there are three types of organic chemists. One type tries to figure out the theory of what is happening. The second type has target molecules that they try to make. These are often natural chemicals that have pharmaceutical value, such as taxol. (From the Yew tree… it treats breast cancer.) The third type is the methods chemist. This is the type I am. We come up with new ways of making molecules. This creates shorter and more efficient ways to make molecules, and often allows you to make molecules that could not previously be made. Keep in mind that all three types need significant skills in the other areas, and could switch if necessary. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 4:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/16 "2006-08-09T04:44:05Z")
Ooh, a chemist that focuses on method devopment / synth routes. The “spend a lot, but ultimately save a fortune” type chemist. In cosmetics industry, you’re the type that makes innovation available to the pocketbooks of most consumers. As important as the people who come up with new molecules, really, because you make the use of molecules more practical. Affordable. Probably the closest thing to an alchemist, if you think about it. Metaophorically speaking, making gold (something expensive) from lead (something cheap). ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/17 "2006-08-10T16:05:02Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > without wearable pheromones … > that would be a catch22 if i had to rub a man all over me BEFORE i went out to play… Oh Lor… you are leaving yourself “wide open” (smirk) with that comment. I can hear all these guys yelling ME! ME! in the background. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/18 "2006-08-10T19:04:35Z")
> [@mbakron](#): > > One must keep in mind that there are three types of organic chemists. > One type tries to figure out the theory of what is happening. > The second type has target molecules that they try to make. These are often natural chemicals that have pharmaceutical value, such as taxol. (From the Yew tree… it treats breast cancer.) > The third type is the methods chemist. This is the type I am. We come up with new ways of making molecules. This creates shorter and more efficient ways to make molecules, and often allows you to make molecules that could not previously be made. > > Keep in mind that all three types need significant skills in the other areas, and could switch if necessary. Sounds tough being a chemist=) You must have to be very creative to be able to figure out how to do the same job in more than one way.