# Anti-Shine/Unsocial A314 ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035 "2008-10-08T11:39:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![magicj76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magicj76/32/1858_2.png) [@magicj76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magicj76)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/1 "2008-10-08T11:39:38Z")
Whereas many users buy Instant Shine, Instant Opennes and Instant Honesty, does anyone know if there’s a pheromone that would make people more quiet ? A sort of Anti-Shine that would be useful for teachers whose students are too chatty and not disciplined ? I don’t know if it’s due to a natural over-production of [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) or anything else but it would be useful. Something different from the Akuto A314, as that one works well for business and seems to make me less approachable, the problem is that it gives a higher status but that other people (than managers) don’t accept and then react negatively, which didn’t occur with the EO version. A putative that would result in “Instant Military” ? 🙂 Thanks, MagicJ ---
**Author:** ![phillykid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b782af/32.png) [@phillykid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phillykid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/2 "2008-10-08T12:15:23Z")
i am new to this but maybe an OD of A314 will scare the shit out of your students 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![perronec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/perronec/32/1280_2.png) [@perronec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/perronec)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/3 "2008-10-08T12:28:33Z")
the military is full of dudes pumping out none. maybe a none OD. the first time the ghost affect was ever desired, interesting. I don’t recommend it though. while it might keep them in line, it might make you irritable, and it might cause some lashing out from the male students. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/4 "2008-10-08T12:57:24Z")
Haevy dose of A314 can keep adults at bay. Maybe a touch more 'none to bump up the effect but if your students are older the alphas may get a little feisty as perronec alluded. Gegogi uses A314 with success keeping his college students in line … ---
**Author:** ![ibelledthecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a698b9/32.png) [@ibelledthecat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ibelledthecat)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/5 "2008-10-08T13:23:52Z")
Raw power sounds perfect for this. I personally havent tried it but reading the description, it fits for this situation. Be careful tho, its an extremely strong product. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/6 "2008-10-08T13:54:06Z")
I remember Tater called MX204 ‘Shut the f\*#% up’ - maybe you could have a look at this stuff, too. Don’t know what others said about it as it is not one of the famous mixes… ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/7 "2008-10-08T13:59:45Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > I remember Tater called MX204 ‘Shut the f\*#% up’ - maybe you could have a look at this stuff, too. Don’t know what others said about it as it is not one of the famous mixes… Oh that is so going in my next order! PMSL ---
**Author:** ![magicj76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magicj76/32/1858_2.png) [@magicj76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magicj76)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/8 "2008-10-08T14:45:18Z")
The problem with [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) A314 is that apart from managers, “normal” people don’t accept the higher status and react negatively. So ODing on Akuto A314 may well be risky… MX204… is gonna be in my next order anyway… let’s wait a few weeks again… ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/9 "2008-10-08T21:19:13Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > I remember Tater called MX204 ‘Shut the f\*#% up’ - maybe you could have a look at this stuff, too. Don’t know what others said about it as it is not one of the famous mixes… The key ingredient is TAK. Once you get around 50mcgs it really shuts people up. There’s a huge thread on TAK called molecule k=tak? started by Daedelus. It won’t be instant military though, it’s more like instant knock out. Imagine dumping a barrel of molasses onto the interaction and you’ve got TAK. If you want students to focus more in class, p93 might be considered. p93 for me, influences me to want to get things done here and now. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/10 "2008-11-15T21:37:55Z")
> [@magicj76](#): > > Whereas many users buy Instant Shine, Instant Opennes and Instant Honesty, does anyone know if there’s a pheromone that would make people more quiet ? > > A sort of Anti-Shine that would be useful for teachers whose students are too chatty and not disciplined ? > I don’t know if it’s due to a natural over-production of social pheromones or anything else but it would be useful. > > Something different from the Akuto A314, as that one works well for business and seems to make me less approachable, the problem is that it gives a higher status but that other people (than managers) don’t accept and then react negatively, which didn’t occur with the EO version. > > A putative that would result in “Instant Military” ? 🙂 > > Thanks, > > MagicJ There’s many version changes over time, beyond the diffusion/cover package. Which version is listed in the bottom of the bottle? If you still have it, which version is listed at the bottom of the older one you had? ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/11 "2008-11-15T21:42:40Z")
Try P79 for a different angle on respect than A314. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 4:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/12 "2008-11-16T04:04:48Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Try P79 for a different angle on respect than A314. Not to spoil it, but 🙂 how would you classify that angle? ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 5:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/13 "2008-11-16T05:32:07Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Not to spoil it, but 🙂 how would you classify that angle? Hey Rebel Researcher (I just noticed. Nice!🙂) I will try to summarize the type of hits: 1. service people, like waiters in restaurants, counter clerks etc being extra respectful but in a friendly way, seem more eager to please 2. more thank yous for small gestures 3. more “Sir” peppered in the conversation (again in service type situations, “May I help you” with this mix changes to “May I help you Sir”. this has been the most common feature, I wonder what they are thinking though) 4. more attraction from professional (looking) women 5. cops, public safety people etc. take notice and acknowledge with nods and hellos etc. 6. students (when I was teaching) were also more polite (few instances) 7. superiors were paying more attention to me with the exclusion of other member/colleague who is at the same level as me (few instances) 8. I am more likely to speak out my thoughts (prominent feature) 9. kids sometimes stop and stare (???) Ok, confession time: these results are not just with P79 but from a 1:1 mix of P79:TAF that I call focus mix on my blog. I initially named it Focus mix simply because everyone else noticed this combination to increase focus, but then I started noticing these other effects mentioned above and now I rarely use it for focus, but more for its open respect and subtle attraction qualities (for daytime). I would even hate to characterise P79 as just an amplifier after my experiences. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/14 "2008-11-16T09:23:25Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Hey Rebel Researcher (I just noticed. Nice!🙂) > > I will try to summarize the type of hits: > > 1. service people, like waiters in restaurants, counter clerks etc being extra respectful but in a friendly way, seem more eager to please > 2. more thank yous for small gestures > 3. more “Sir” peppered in the conversation (again in service type situations, “May I help you” with this mix changes to “May I help you Sir”. this has been the most common feature, I wonder what they are thinking though) > 4. more attraction from professional (looking) women > 5. cops, public safety people etc. take notice and acknowledge with nods and hellos etc. > 6. students (when I was teaching) were also more polite (few instances) > 7. superiors were paying more attention to me with the exclusion of other member/colleague who is at the same level as me (few instances) > 8. I am more likely to speak out my thoughts (prominent feature) > 9. kids sometimes stop and stare (???) > > Ok, confession time: these results are not just with P79 but from a 1:1 mix of P79:TAF that I call focus mix on my blog. > > I initially named it Focus mix simply because everyone else noticed this combination to increase focus, but then I started noticing these other effects mentioned above and now I rarely use it for focus, but more for its open respect and subtle attraction qualities (for daytime). I would even hate to characterise P79 as just an amplifier after my experiences. Good stuff Bully! This P79 ‘slightly heightened respect/status effect’ fits in with a few other forum experiences from the past (see below). I find personally that this effect is quite subtle, but I do believe P79 is one of the few products (aside from AndrostEnone and A314) which adds a bit of ‘respect’… [P is for PANTYSOAKER - P79](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p-is-for-pantysoaker-p79/598) ([P is for PANTYSOAKER - P79](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p-is-for-pantysoaker-p79/598)) Scottie2Hottie (August 21, 2006): “…The thing is that I don’t get a none feel from P79 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) . I spent the whole day yesterday w/ it getting an idea of the self effects at various dosages and it just didn’t strike me at all as being none like…at least as far as the negatives go. It does seem to urge me into activity…sort of a no bullshit, gitter done thing…very straightforward. It seems to change at above 30-40 mu…I feel kinda edgy, but not in the none sense, more in the overly caffeinated sense…like you’re so wired you can’t get anything done…if that makes any sense. It doesn’t seem to effect others in the same way, either. **I wore 20 mu to work today and the reactions from males was more along the lines of A314 than none. That is, some spacing and lots of respect. For example, my boss was fetching and hand delivering things for me…he only does this when I use A314.** When I’ve worn none around him, he’s kinda skittish around me and can have a tendency to throw his weight around, which is very out of character for this guy 'cause he’s typically very outgoing, friendly and (dare I say it) bubbly. **When I use A314 he can’t do enough for me, is extremely respectful and tends to greatly respect my personal space. He will yield the right of way and be happy to do it. This is really more the kind of reaction I got from guys today.** **One thing I did notice, though. Initially, the guys were very quiet and standoffish…I was thinking my first impressions of [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) not being none like were wrong. However, once I engaged them in friendly conversation, they warmed right up…again, sounds more like A314 than none to me.** I did not get anything like the dramatic attention grabbing effect from women that none brings. However, I did notice them checking me out on the sly (or so they thought) and changing their posture/walk if I was nearby. This is exciting to me because I’ve always wanted to get the effects of LaCroy’s secret ingredient w/out the none. Perhaps there is some potential for that w/ [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) . Further testing to come. I’ll keep you posted.” [My evening using the "Minimalist's Manifesto"](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-evening-using-the-minimalists-manifesto/2538) ([My evening using the "Minimalist's Manifesto"](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-evening-using-the-minimalists-manifesto/2538)) Matthew1982ct (March 16, 2007): “ **My evening using the “Minimalist’s Manifesto”** To be fair I perhaps took this to the extreme, especially by my usual standards of blanket -pheromone saturation. Ok I applied but two sprays of P79 at only 2.5 mcg a shot. So 5 mcg of total -pheromones. This is partly due to not having much of an arsenal left (P79, a spoilt batch of Primal Instinct ([Raw Power – Fierce Male Sexual Intensity - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/)) , some Copulins [ducks for cover], and trace amounts of other To-Go bottles) and partly due to wanting to see how using small amounts of P79 (a candidate for being -none’s cousin, perhaps) would stack up against using just small amounts of -none itself. On that subject; I recently checked out a website of one of those generic, cheap-a$$, -none only products; where they were drumming on about how their product contained 20 mcg a drop of -none. And supposedly how that made them the bees-knees. There must be 50 totally clueless new -pheromone users out there for every one who has at least SOME knowledge of the ins and outs of the actual constituent parts. The link was off ebay, so what can one expect? Schemers and bottom feeders I guess! Was on ebay looking for cheap Irvine Welsh books to read. All reworkings of Trainspotting; but I love Trainspotting so much I guess that’s a plus for me! Ok, so went road with my friend who is a pizza delivery boy here in Cape Town. Southern Suburbs; which is the english part of town. The conversation with him was above average I’d say; even though he admitted to having a really lousy day up until that point. Still nothing out of the ordinary - I wear 70-80% of my mixes around this guy, so it’s tougher for me to tell; as I have had limited -pheromone success in the past 3 months or so. I am starting to believe that this is due in large part to perhaps negating alpha -Androstenol - as my [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) To-Go order from my first order arrived a little low (about a third full); so have not worn more than say 30 mcg of alpha -Androstenol in the past 3 months. With my next order; it is all basically alpha -Androstenol based. This should prove very telling. Will experiment with doses as high as 400 mcg of alpha -Androstenol and report my results. I have certainly enjoyed the bulk of my past -pheromone success with alpha -Androstenol based mixes in the past. Scent of Eros and so on. The first sorta-kinda-maybe hit was from a homeless guy who, ok he was pretty wasted as I’d be if I was homeless, told me he loved me when we popped back to the pizza place to pick up some pizzas; and that after I told him I didn’t have R3.00 for him (about $0.40 - yeah I know!). After my friend finished up with work at around 10:30 pm (yes, we’re 6-8 hours ahead of you guys here, greetings from tomorrow!) we went to a local bar, to have a few quiet drinks. 7 of us in total. 3 couples. I know them all from previously; some better than others. Girls were: a 4.5; 7.725 and a 6.125 - all the same year at school to each other - so 19-20 years old. I’m 24 and my friends are all 23. At the bar my friend and I had a guy start chatting to us, pretty much out of the blue. He was proper drunk - saw him an hour later getting dragged to the car by his friends. He was about 42 years old. Talked about the cricket and so on; as the World Cup is on. **I think I came across, -pheromone signature wise and perhaps in the way that I carried myself, as a quietly confident, not immediately threatening presence but someone who could “step-up” in certain situations to either stand up for myself. Perhaps like a 24 year old who was really good at sports at school but is now more pragmatic about life and not so hung up about status. Although at the same time, showing SOME status.** Two of his friends then came up and chatted up a storm with me for a goods 15 minutes. I wasn’t drinking alcohol so just had a Red Bull and two cokes. Went back to where my friend were sitting and felt confident, joined in the conversations they were having. Not the most stimulating of conversations going on between them all - they’re not really the intellectual types. **I noticed some signs of the P79 raising my status, perhaps by 10-15%.** I will continue with a low-dose tomorrow and then switch to a higher one for Sunday…” ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/15 "2008-11-16T14:59:37Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Good stuff Bully! > > This P79 ‘slightly heightened respect/status effect’ fits in with a few other forum experiences from the past (see below). I find personally that this effect is quite subtle, but I do believe P79 is one of the few products (aside from AndrostEnone and A314) which adds a bit of ‘respect’… Hey Visionary, thanks for summarising other people’s similar hits. I wonder if Tacitus mentioned anything similar before. I recall he mentioned “identity statement” in reference to P79 apart from its erotic qualities. I agree that the effects are subtle. Very rarely do people seem intimidated by it, so it seems like it provides just enough respect vibe that people start to treat you little differently. Did you try P79 in combination with TAF or just by itself? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/16 "2008-11-18T00:30:51Z")
I think we’ll put out a few small runs of A314 Limited Editions, which contain A314 + a certain amount of a new phero per drop. A314 + P79 Edition A314 + BNOL Edition A314 + P90 Edition I think those would be interesting to explore. We’d do spray versions, but we haven’t yet really nailed the basic A314 effect in spray form yet. There was another one, too… a very heady one some requested… P85 or P86, perhaps? I’d need to review the feedback, but it seemed ideal for a “Master & Commander” type edition of A314. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/17 "2008-11-18T02:24:56Z")
OoOoOooh..I’d be really interested in the p79 version and the b-nol version. I’ll keep my eyes open. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 6:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/18 "2008-11-18T06:59:06Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > I think we’ll put out a few small runs of A314 Limited Editions, which contain A314 + a certain amount of a new phero per drop. > > A314 + P79 Edition > A314 + BNOL Edition > A314 + P90 Edition > > I think those would be interesting to explore. We’d do spray versions, but we haven’t yet really nailed the basic A314 effect in spray form yet. > … You got me thinking. I had to go to a local meeting of polititians to advocate for a cause. I tried 4 drops a314 mutant 10 mcg p74 20 mcg p79 1 spray ishine The politico chairing the meeting tried to cut me off and then only let me speak briefly at the end of the meeting. The other politicos listened to my points and thought them reasonable, and spoke about them causing the meeting to run over and others to wait in the hall while they discussed what I said. The effect of this mix seemed beneficial in all but the leader. My take is that he felt his position/status threatened and thus tried to cut me off/down. I was polite and he came off as somewhat of a jerk, as others told me afterwards. During the meeting, after a cutdown one of the citizens present started singing my praises. Afterwards it was related to me that the reason was related to the chairperson’s manner with me. An interesting mix. In the end I accomplished what I set out to do. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 11:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/19 "2008-11-18T11:20:23Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Hey Visionary, thanks for summarising other people’s similar hits. I wonder if Tacitus mentioned anything similar before. I recall he mentioned “identity statement” in reference to P79 apart from its erotic qualities. > > I agree that the effects are subtle. Very rarely do people seem intimidated by it, so it seems like it provides just enough respect vibe that people start to treat you little differently. Did you try P79 in combination with TAF or just by itself? \*\*Bully that’s true Tacitus did notice this subtle effect too! Amongst other things, he wrote that “[P79] \*\ ***has a low slung authority and lots of confidence…”** **and** **“Can have a kind of authoritarian firmnessto it (that is sometimes called for)”. I believe this may be related to what he terms as its ‘irreverence’ effect (meaning a lack of due respect) and what others like yourself mentioned ‘as wanting to get the point across’ in the past.** * * * **On a personal note, I do remember when wearing P79 being kind of ‘dominant over’ and making my opinion well known to a highly-respected senior person in my organisation in his 60s (this guy seems to be the typical super competent and respected ‘A314 person’ and that was unlike me). Thinking about this more, maybe the whole act of throwing your opinions around aggressively (especially when coming from a mostly placid person like myself), leads to the slightly heightened ‘respect’ from others?** **As for TAF and P79, your recommendations have got me wearing these two together regularly! TAF might amplify P79 somewhat but I do get the feeling P79’s slight increase in respect is still there even without anything else worn along with it (after all, Scottie2Hottie, Matthew1982ct and tacitus probably weren’t wearing any other mones when they noticed this effect)…** [P79 first impressions: feeling shifted, then a sharp, creative focus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speak-oh-mushroom-god-of-p79/299/1) ([P79 first impressions: feeling shifted, then a sharp, creative focus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speak-oh-mushroom-god-of-p79/299/1)) tacitus (April 20, 2006): “ **Speak, Oh Mushroom God, of P79 !** sorry… my morning caffeine is kicking in… with a teaser line like that P79 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) better be good, right ? In truth I have no idea… I took massive shnozzles of it last night and felt shifted… not nuttin’ like the low hanging gonads on display with [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) , and none of the soft golden aura of the femmy [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/)… nor, for that matter the sensorial buzzaps of [TAH](https://pheromonelabs.com/) or [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) ( [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is, generaly speaking, too buzzoinky for my delicate sensibilites…) like I need _more_ mind torque this very moment ? Nyet… As I try and wrap my innocent neual membranes around this essence that MH squoze from pounds of male dandruff, no doubt hanging around the dumpsters behind Hair Club For Men with a portable vacuum… ahhh… the thought of it… never mind… moving right along… [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is more like something from the asteroid belt than one of the major planets… \*\*the initial kick that I feel from this is one of _irreverance_ … in that it might be the not best idea to wear to a church service or a closed door meeting with authority figures… \*\*in a sense, rather like anti-matter to [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) … **or like a detergent that disperses hard nodules of fixed opinion… definitely a youth thing… crusty old tyrants would not see this as a good attitude. Next time Donald Trump calls me into his Boardroom I will be soaked in it.** ” [P79 first impressions: feeling shifted, then a sharp, creative focus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speak-oh-mushroom-god-of-p79/299/2) ([P79 first impressions: feeling shifted, then a sharp, creative focus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speak-oh-mushroom-god-of-p79/299/2)) tacitus (April 21, 2006): “ **P79, phaze II** P79 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) has this useful property of causing the brain to click into a sharp focus, high creativity, youthful frame of reference…for the past 3 days I have loosened the cap of the bottle and inhaled directly several long nosefulls of 100 mu. strength phero vapors. No solution was applied directly to skin or clothing. There is a long lasting mood elevation (not the same as [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) ), a mental energizing, and a “can do” mindset… it seems to eliminate defeatism and negativity, although it has no discernable romantic or erotic push. Unlike the jacked up and glazed over beamy enthusiasm of cult recruits, this has a grounded confidence with no particular agenda. **This can be perceived as irreverant, assuming you have a distinct point of view and don’t mind making it known,** or it could be clear and centered. This has great potential for a workplace pheromone.” [Favorite A314 combos: which add-ons and how many drops change the effect?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favorite-a314-combos/327/15) ([Favorite A314 combos: which add-ons and how many drops change the effect?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favorite-a314-combos/327/15)) tacitus (May 3, 2006): **try adding 30 mu of P79 to your A314 mix per application** P79 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) is pretty cool energy… **has a low slung authority and lots of confidence…** its’ sound bite is “stay on track” … while the track you’re on will depend on other…emmmm… establishing factors [before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ? - #2 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/2) ([before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ? - #2 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/2)) tacitus (July 5, 2006): “ **Experiences with P79 and P80** These are the two that I have focused on. Both are strongly male… and higher doses can engender a potent man energy. This can be intimidating and heavy male vibe to some. P79 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) appears to be more of a “doing” impulse, sort of tribal male wood carving, field clearing, working through the day, cut the shit and get it done… pretty young things find it attractive and shocking. **Can have a kind of authoritarian firmnessto it (that is sometimes called for)** where [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) seems like it has a “being” contemplative maleness… like kicking back in the evening after work and thinking about the day while still in man mode. Together as a [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) / [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) they produce a kind of USMC officer quality in larger doses, and a dependable solid mature guy energy in lower doses… there is this interesting “I have no illusions about human nature” thinking that goes along with it… probably best in judicious 10 mu per phero squirt doses, a little goes a long way and establishes a lot of respect and some intensity, like you want to inhabit your best, most grounded self… and yeah, some beautiful young women got hot for me too… spontaneously giving me their number, all moist and … you know… ” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 11:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/20 "2008-11-18T11:49:28Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > I think we’ll put out a few small runs of A314 Limited Editions, which contain A314 + a certain amount of a new phero per drop. > > A314 + P79 Edition > A314 + BNOL Edition > A314 + P90 Edition > > I think those would be interesting to explore. We’d do spray versions, but we haven’t yet really nailed the basic A314 effect in spray form yet. **Jas, why BetaNol? I thought people have been using A314 + IH and A314 + CTTM to ‘death’ and the rapport benefits that BetaNol brings to A314 are very well known.** * * * **As for P90, tacitus did think it had an ‘empathetic leadership’ aspect to it at: [P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant-maybe/985) ([P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant-maybe/985)). However, with all due respect to tacitus who got so many things right, noone else had that effect. Still, it might be interesting as a ‘compare and contract’ with BetaNol as they seem similar: P90 + A314 vs BetaNol + A314.** **In any case when mixing putatives with A314, I hope the fixatives are at maximal levels – users have noticed that most of the putatives do not last long without strong fixatives. Some of the people who got the best results from the putatives ended up using strong fixatives to ‘extend the effects’ (like Tacitus with Monolaurin, Sandalo with Glucam P-20, and Warren who was going to try some Dipropylene Glycol).** > [@Jasmin](#): > > There was another one, too… a very heady one some requested… P85 or P86, perhaps? I’d need to review the feedback, but it seemed ideal for a “Master & Commander” type edition of A314. **I think you mean P80 – this might be suited to the ‘Master & Commander’ type edition of A314 (see this thread on P80): [‘Heavyweight’ effect for more personal power: P80 + A314 vs AndrostEnone + A314](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051) ([‘Heavyweight’ effect for more personal power: P80 + A314 vs AndrostEnone + A314](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051))** **Other useful add-ons to A314 may be:** **P93 see the following thread: [P93 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/6478) ([P93 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/6478))** * * * **P83 see the following thread: [P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367) ([P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367))** **Yea since you mention it, P85 might be an interesting add on as well to A314 mainly working to increase communication, credibility and trust…** [P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/1) ([P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/1)) tacitus (September 1, 2006): “ **P85… a nice decent buzz with no profundity** P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) I would categorize as closer to [P87](https://pheromonelabs.com/), perhaps without the keen clarity of [P87](https://pheromonelabs.com/)… **wore a good 30 mu ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) of P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) and went out to eat… the room was soon upbeat and chatty… in a wholesome, talky way… like P87 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) there is some of the cobweb clearing, depression eliminating uplift… a lowering of self consciousness… nothing romantic though, no visual glows, no sexy rushes**…” [Most magnetic pheromones for men?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/most-magnetic-pheromones-for-men/3796/12) ([Most magnetic pheromones for men?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/most-magnetic-pheromones-for-men/3796/12)) Marik (June 17, 2007): “…**There is also something attracting with the \*\*P84 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))**-P85\*\*…” [A mix of manly/sexy putatives](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-mix-of-manly-sexy-putatives/4567/3) ([A mix of manly/sexy putatives](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-mix-of-manly-sexy-putatives/4567/3)) Marik (July 17, 2007): “… **For they all give a masculine vibe but each with a different taste.** P84 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) seems to be the strongest of the mentionned above. **P85** ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))\*\* is more gentle i found\*\*…” [P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity - #2 by SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/2) ([P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity - #2 by SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/2)) SteveO (September 13, 2007): “**Interesting little thing happened today with my testing of \*\*P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))**! I know this is a way old thread, but what better way to keep the forum clutter free than to add to a tacitus thread. \*\* \*\*I’ve been using **P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))** by itself for the last couple of days. Last night at a local book store some college kids got real chatty with me. It was the type of chat you reserve for “trustworthy” old friends. A little disconcerting to hear what they were telling me, but all the same, I got that vibe they felt as if they could relate to me. \*\* \*\*Today at work my boss up and tells me how much he appreciates me and (no lie) how trustworthy he feels I am. He tells me he has a big project going in **Mississippi** beginning next year and he’d like me to run it. \*\* **We’ve always have had good talks but he has never said anything like that before.** \*\*I’m wondering what other people might be getting from **P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))** and if it is still being experimented with. I don’t see many new threads at all on it. \*\* **I used 25 mcg ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) unscented to back of hair at 9am.**” [P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity - #3 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/3) ([P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity - #3 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/3)) tacitus (September 13, 2007): “Seems about right for both P84 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) and [P85](https://pheromonelabs.com/)… **P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) feels like a stronger version of P84** ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) **…** [P84](https://pheromonelabs.com/) was my “talk show host” [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/)… you have this confidence exuding, let’s discuss the matter, active listening, getting through-ness…” [P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity - #4 by SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/4) ([P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity - #4 by SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/4)) SteveO (September 14, 2007): “Very interesting. I’m going to have to use this one for comfort building. Thanks for the insight tacitus” [P85 a nice surprise](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-surprise/6979/1) ([P85 a nice surprise](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-surprise/6979/1)) m3turbo (December 2007): “ **P85 a nice suprise** **Today I added P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) to my usual cocktail of pheros and I am quite pleased. Ther were no negative reactions at all. Three different people from two different classes who I can never seem to get to talk to me finally came out of their shell a little bit today . P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) seems to be a sort of trustworthy adult type vibe . It seems to be a mature sort of phero. Not sexual but good for communication. More testing needed but so far so good.** ” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-surprise/6979/3](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-surprise/6979/3) m3turbo (December 2007): “Sometimes I opt to make my own blend of Androsterone, Stenol, and stenone to replace the [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) when I feel like using a different scent. But basically the mix is still the same. **Adding P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) sort of gives you a little more credability and trustworthyness.**” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-surprise/6979/4](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-surprise/6979/4) m3turbo (December 2007): “**Just an update, the girls who had sort of come out of their shell yesterday continued to do so even more today. P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) still good. Some girls who usually take notice of me have backed off a little so P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) is definitely changing my aura a little bit.** More testing needed.” [suitable pheros to use for a shy woman?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/10) ([suitable pheros to use for a shy woman?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/10)) m3turbo (December 2007): “**P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) and or TAL** ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) **.** **These two really bring all females but especially the awkward ones out of their shell.** ” [suitable pheros to use for a shy woman?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/14) ([suitable pheros to use for a shy woman?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/14)) m3turbo (February 1, 2008): “I am still using about 12.5 mcg per application of p85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) …” [Aside from 'the big four' (P 74, 79, 83, 93), what are your favourite putatives? - #2 by Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aside-from-the-big-four-p-74-79-83-93-what-are-your-favourite-putatives/7920/2) ([Aside from 'the big four' (P 74, 79, 83, 93), what are your favourite putatives? - #2 by Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aside-from-the-big-four-p-74-79-83-93-what-are-your-favourite-putatives/7920/2)) Carrie (January 1, 2008): “…**P85 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) yielded more aggressive helpfulness from young female retail clerks**…” [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035.md?page=2)