# Anti-Shine/Unsocial A314 ?

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [October 8, 2008, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035 "2008-10-08T11:39:38Z")\
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**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 9:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-shine-unsocial-a314/21035/21 "2008-11-25T09:43:16Z")

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Thanks for your feedback.

One major issue.

> [@Socrates](#):
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> In any case when mixing putatives with A314, I hope the fixatives are at maximal levels – users have noticed that most of the putatives do not last long without strong fixatives. Some of the people who got the best results from the putatives ended up using strong fixatives to ‘extend the effects’ (like Tacitus with Monolaurin, Sandalo with Glucam P-20, and Warren who was going to try some Dipropylene Glycol).

That’s not a good meme to perpetuate. This is just bad info multiplying on itself, and it really taints the research.

Possible future pheromones, like any currently proven pheromones, all have different “staying power”. It depends on the molecule, not it being “putative” or not.

Putative does not mean short lived. Putatives doesn’t mean anything special at all. Putative simply means “not yet proven”. Nothing more, nothing less.

A putative is like a child. While it’s not yet proven, it could grow up to be anything. A winner or a loser, a hero or a villain, super-powerful or a real dud, who knows yet? You can only see it’s true nature if you don’t assume too much about it, either positive or negative.

_Any_ [human pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), putative or not, need proper fixatives, and proper diffusion. Most human scents are very short lasting and have poor diffusion on their own. You can smell a skunk a half mile away, but you’d be lucky to smell your buddy a half room away unless he was wearing some synthetic scents.

**Everyone:** To keep feedback accurate, please evaluate each molecule, putative or not, on their _own merits_.

No putative necessarily has anything to do with another, so avoid assuming anything about any particular molecule w/o testing. Test any and all putatives like you’ve never tested anything before. Test everything as a blank slate.

Here’s another way to help stop to this false assumption once and for all… When ordering putatives, please order with a scent/fixative package. The Neroli is a good default.

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