# Any phero elders able to lend some sage advice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 20, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165 "2009-05-20T20:19:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diego\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@Diego\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Diego_Boy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/1 "2009-05-20T20:19:36Z")
So I purchased my first bottle of pheros last night (IG) and my brother already has IO, A314, TUTH and IJ. I am getting some graduation money in about 2 weeks and I am building a shopping cart online of the pheros I would like to try out. I literally almost did not sleep last night because I was rummaging through the forums looking for any tidbits of info I could find pertaining to other [pheromones](https://a314.com/) and what they do. That being said, I’m wondering what exactly pheromones such as P79, TAH, TAL, P83, TAF, MX272 & MX292 do. I’m not expecting a breakdown of all of the pheros, however if a few of you don’t mind sharing your experiences and/or knowledge of some of the pheros I have mentioned it would be greatly appreciated. I have no problem spending $400+ on these items. I just want to know more about what they do, what they mix well with, and also if MX272-292 come in regular or to-go size bottles. Thank you!!! ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/2 "2009-05-20T20:25:17Z")
In a nutshell: MX 292: Very sexual mix. MX 272: some people get a lot of “cooperation” with it [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/): Very sexual molecule not none. P79: Seems to enhance the effects of some molecules but not others. Can vary from individual to individual. TAF: Helps some people with concentration TAL: Alpha female molecule TAH: Laid back female molecule ---
**Author:** ![Diego\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@Diego\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Diego_Boy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/3 "2009-05-20T20:35:04Z")
when you say alpha female and laid back female, what is this referencing? are you saying it will attract those females? or will it somehow make women act as if they are alpha or laid back? thanks ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/4 "2009-05-20T20:59:12Z")
> [@Diego\_Boy](#): > > are you saying it will attract those females? or will it somehow make women act as if they are alpha or laid back? No, it puts out those vibe when women wear them. They are girl mones, you’ll get cooties if you wear them.😮 Seriously, you’ll need _lots_ of masculine mones if you wear those. ---
**Author:** ![Diego\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@Diego\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Diego_Boy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/5 "2009-05-20T21:07:57Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > No, it puts out those vibe when women wear them. They are girl mones, you’ll get cooties if you wear them.😮 > > Seriously, you’ll need _lots_ of masculine mones if you wear those. THANK YOU FOR THE WARNING. ok. so. Instead of those, what do you guys have to say about MX200? There is this one girl I am quite fond of, and I have read that certain pheromones affect asian women differently. (The girl in mind is filipino) So far my shopping cart is as follows: P83 - 10mcg/spray MX292 MX272 \*I have IG getting shipped today, and my brother has IO, IS, TUTH, IJ, and A314 I can use. Any combos/successful mixes any of you have had that you don’t mind sharing would be greatly appreciated. Also, of the Pheros I currently have available, what are best for first impression & attraction? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/6 "2009-05-20T22:33:02Z")
You do know if you type those names in the search function, you’ll probably find loads of combos and ideas, yes? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diego\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@Diego\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Diego_Boy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/7 "2009-05-20T22:47:19Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > You do know if you type those names in the search function, you’ll probably find loads of combos and ideas, yes? 😉 yea, it just takes forever finding the answer to my questions. i’m wondering if [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and tuth make a good combo ---
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/8 "2009-05-20T22:51:24Z")
There are two [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) that should be at the top of your list for trying out…MX292 and the Raw Power testpack (Mx311-316). ---
**Author:** ![Diego\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@Diego\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Diego_Boy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/9 "2009-05-20T22:59:44Z")
what is the raw power test pack meant to do? I’m intrigued… and does mx292 come in a to-go sized bottle? seems a bit pricey for such a small amount. ---
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/10 "2009-05-20T23:11:49Z")
These are experimental test mixes. They aren’t available yet as standard products but both of these are far superior to what’s currently available. Use the search function and plug in the two terms, MX292 and “[Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/)”. This will bring up a whole bunch of posts about these two mixes and what people who test them out have experienced. The best way to do this is select advanced search, plug in one of the terms, then select search title’s only. Should give you quite a few threads that get right to the point. Also, try any of these individually…MX305, MX306, MX307, MX308, MX309, MX310. Originally, the Raw Power testpack was released as MX305-310. However, they made a mistake with those batches and added game scent to them by accident. The batches that came afterward, although exactly the same with the pheros, are scented differently and named MX311-316. Most of the original posts reference the old batch numbers and do so individually. For example, someone might title a post, “Good results with MX305”, then write a detailed post about what happened when they wore MX305 to a party or something. There is alot of good information you can find quickly about these mixes. You’ll quickly see why I recommended them. > [@Diego\_Boy](#): > > what is the raw power test pack meant to do? > > I’m intrigued… and does mx292 come in a to-go sized bottle? seems a bit pricey for such a small amount. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/11 "2009-05-21T01:41:53Z")
> [@Diego\_Boy](#): > > when you say alpha female and laid back female, what is this referencing? > [@Mtnjim](#): > > No, it puts out those vibe when women wear them. They are girl mones, you’ll get cooties if you wear them. > > Seriously, you’ll need _lots_ of masculine mones if you wear those. > [@Diego\_Boy](#): > > what is the raw power test pack meant to do? Kinda like super TUTH. Figure out the TUTH first. > [@Diego\_Boy](#): > > I’m intrigued… and does mx292 come in a to-go sized bottle? seems a bit pricey for such a small amount. It only comes in To Go sizes … lol. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/12 "2009-05-21T01:53:51Z")
1 - If you try out the commercial products for a while and report on them, you will gain “reporting user” status and the price of experimental products will drop way down for you. Even if that weren’t the case trying out the proven products first is the best way to learn. 2 - Put a title on your threads that describe the insides. Many people scan the titles and only open the ones of interest or where they have something to contribute. If they can’t figure out the question or issue from the title they’re likely to cruise right on by without opening the thread. ---
**Author:** ![1904iNcUbUs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1904incubus/32/1694_2.png) [@1904iNcUbUs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1904iNcUbUs)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/13 "2009-05-21T01:56:53Z")
oh, thanks. I used to be an advanced user but hadn’t gone on so long i guess it was revoked. I just placed the order for IS x2, 2 bottle o MX292, and 1 bottle of P83 ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/14 "2009-05-21T02:03:05Z")
> [@Diego\_Boy](#): > > THANK YOU FOR THE WARNING. > > ok. so. Instead of those, what do you guys have to say about MX200? > > There is this one girl I am quite fond of, and I have read that certain pheromones affect asian women differently. (The girl in mind is filipino) > > So far my shopping cart is as follows: > > P83 - 10mcg/spray > MX292 > MX272 > > \*I have IG getting shipped today, and my brother has IO, IS, TUTH, IJ, and A314 I can use. > > Any combos/successful mixes any of you have had that you don’t mind sharing would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, of the Pheros I currently have available, what are best for first impression & attraction? > > Thanks! How are you doing with testing each one of the ones you have individually? You have worn each one of them individually for a week or two. You have tried them in different settings at different doses and application points. You have found your sweet spot with each individual product. Riiiiiight??? If you want to get most out of pheromones you’ll become comfortable with each one individually. While you’re doing that, you’ll probably be studying up on congruency and diffusion and sillage. You might even pick up a little about body language. (Do the searchs. Read the old threads.) Maybe even read the stickies. Again. _Then_ when you try a combo _you can really be workin’ it._ OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![1904iNcUbUs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1904incubus/32/1694_2.png) [@1904iNcUbUs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1904iNcUbUs)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/15 "2009-05-21T02:09:05Z")
the OYaa my bro is clueless and this is all AWESOME advice that I’ll be sure to pass on, if he doesn’t read it himself. I bought him what I thought would help him most in combination with what I already own. Oh MAN it feels good to be back. I can always depend on conversing with intelligent people when I come around these parts… hopefully my brother will embrace pheromones just as I did (it was only a YEAR ago for me) and they will help change his life for the better. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 7:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/16 "2009-05-21T07:33:19Z")
> [@Diego\_Boy](#): > > yea, it just takes forever finding the answer to my questions. This is lazy and uninspiring. ☹ Most, if not all, of the very successful people here, the people you _want_ to learn from, have searched and searched and searched until they damn well knew almost every thread on the topic they wanted to know. And topics they didn’t care to know. And so forth. It may take a little longer than your generation is used to, but the wealth of knowledge you will gain from actually researching your question, instead of vomiting it up for others to shake their heads over, will be greatly beneficial to you. 😉 Get to know the products you want to try. Get to know the users on the boards. Get to know how, what, and when to apply. And where! Read up on other people’s combos - guess what! That info is _easy_ to find! SEARCH & STICKIES. They are your friends. 🙂 You will also find out allll about congruency, attitudes, approach strategies, strategies for maximizing your personal growth, how best to utilize and wear the pheros, and all sorts of wonderful tidbits on life AND pheros. Please be more cognizant and motivated to find your own answers. We are a helpful bunch, but we also _really_ like people who help themselves too. Remember, on a basic level, you ARE wearing pheros to effect other people - a little effort on your part to understand what you are doing would be great. 🙂 Should you decide that I am full of it, please, by all means, douse yourself in TUTH and head for Oceanside, CA. The Marines there will welcome you with open arms. Dont say you didn’t do your research after that!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/17 "2009-05-21T09:33:25Z")
Ahhh Lets back up a bit here. See what happens when they let me get some sleep LOL Your new to mones and the advanced is not something you want to skip right up to. Not if you want to be on the reporting users list All the products that you listed are experimental. Please do not go just by the short descriptions of them. Those are the effects that most other members have noticed. We want to hear what effect it has for you and it could be entirely different then the above description. Please do not use them with other products while testing. This skews the results. Test at least one whole to-go on its own first. Mixing is fun but it takes a lot of experience to do it right When you have a preconceived notion as to what something does its easier to get a placebo effect. You also miss effects that may be new to the putative because you dismiss them because no one else reported them. This is why we don’t list or tell members when they ask. I know members can find out by searching for the product some of its characteristic and I know that members have said this is confusing and not a easy task in a large forum but that is why we do not list all the characteristic in one place. We don’t want it to be easy to figure out because its makes for better testing results. This is why I never listed them all in the phero guides I wrote. No its not a perfect system and it will change in the future but its how we do it now. If your serious about mone use and using test products before moving onto the advanced user section use all the products in the consumer line and get a good feel for those for a while. This will make it easier for when you move onto the Experimental test mixes which would be your next step. After you work with those for a while then move onto the signal molecule putatives. I may sound like a broken record and I am not discouraging testing as some people believe. I am sure we all want accurate testing results because these are the molecules that will make up future mixes. New members understanding that these are advanced products and how to go about moving to advanced products is important to all of us. So take it slow. Start with the consumer products and work with those for a while. Yes read the forum as Tigerlilly suggested and its ok to read other reports to find out which molecules you may want to consider testing, just keep in mind that is the effect it has for that individual user and may not be the effect it has for you 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![1904iNcUbUs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1904incubus/32/1694_2.png) [@1904iNcUbUs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1904iNcUbUs)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/18 "2009-05-21T09:33:44Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > This is lazy and uninspiring. ☹ > > Most, if not all, of the very successful people here, the people you _want_ to learn from, have searched and searched and searched until they damn well knew almost every thread on the topic they wanted to know. And topics they didn’t care to know. And so forth. > > It may take a little longer than your generation is used to, but the wealth of knowledge you will gain from actually researching your question, instead of vomiting it up for others to shake their heads over, will be greatly beneficial to you. 😉 > > Get to know the products you want to try. Get to know the users on the boards. Get to know how, what, and when to apply. And where! Read up on other people’s combos - guess what! That info is _easy_ to find! SEARCH & STICKIES. They are your friends. 🙂 > > You will also find out allll about congruency, attitudes, approach strategies, strategies for maximizing your personal growth, how best to utilize and wear the pheros, and all sorts of wonderful tidbits on life AND pheros. > > Please be more cognizant and motivated to find your own answers. We are a helpful bunch, but we also _really_ like people who help themselves too. > > Remember, on a basic level, you ARE wearing pheros to effect other people - a little effort on your part to understand what you are doing would be great. 🙂 > > Should you decide that I am full of it, please, by all means, douse yourself in TUTH and head for Oceanside, CA. The Marines there will welcome you with open arms. Dont say you didn’t do your research after that!! 😉 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… when my lil bro sees this he might cry, he’s as sensitive as a gardenia flower. pfft. thank you, though. he’s new, so go easy on the boy. ---
**Author:** ![1904iNcUbUs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1904incubus/32/1694_2.png) [@1904iNcUbUs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1904iNcUbUs)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/19 "2009-05-21T09:39:20Z")
…and by the way, TUTH and IJ are an awesome combo. I ended up in bed with the filipino broad my bro was obsessing over about 45 minutes ago. Yes, I am an asshole… No I don’t care if Eric has a crush on the girl, and yes, I do fully appreciate the fact that San Diego has a 24 hour mexican food joint on every other corner. Good night. ---
**Author:** ![Podekia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/podekia/32/1122_2.png) [@Podekia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Podekia)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-phero-elders-able-to-lend-some-sage-advice/29165/20 "2009-05-21T13:02:56Z")
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