# Anyone experience more aggressive driving behavior while using Instant Shine? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 23, 2009, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-experience-more-aggressive-driving-behavior-while-using-instant-shine/31804 "2009-08-23T07:34:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Datarule](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Datarule](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Datarule)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-experience-more-aggressive-driving-behavior-while-using-instant-shine/31804/1 "2009-08-23T07:34:11Z")
I don’t know if I’m the single case here, but I notice when I use more than 4 spray of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) I tend to be more aggressive when I am driving on the road, does this happen to anyone else while using this product? ---
**Author:** ![subVerse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@subVerse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/subVerse)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-experience-more-aggressive-driving-behavior-while-using-instant-shine/31804/2 "2009-08-23T07:42:51Z")
Road rage aggressive, or road-race aggressive? I haven’t tried 4 sprays of IS yet, (3 being the max thus far). But even at that dose I have noticed a reduced tolerance for challenged drivers. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-experience-more-aggressive-driving-behavior-while-using-instant-shine/31804/3 "2009-08-23T10:33:02Z")
Nope. Not even once. And believe me, it’s just you doin’ what you do. You’re the one in control, not the product. But what the frick, I’m an aggressive walker with or without mones. Hate being stuck behind some foot draggin’ lard ass. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-experience-more-aggressive-driving-behavior-while-using-instant-shine/31804/4 "2009-08-23T16:32:08Z")
The first few weeks I used the key molecule in [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), I was overly confident. Not so much anymore. Over confidence doesn’t necessarily lead to aggressive behavior in all people, but it definitely could in some. Depends on how your personality is put together. How you’re “wired”. Wiring is a good metaphor when it comes to understanding the response to any stimulus. Different core responses take different routes and show themselves in different way, depending on the subject. Sort of like the route a ball takes in a pinball machine, or the route electrical current takes in an old modular synthesizer (the kinds you had to rewire to get a different sound) I can’t find any example of people fiddling around with the wires of old synthesizers, but you can clearly see in this example that the same stimulus ( a series of notes) sounds very different depending upon which nobs are fiddled: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/3/3c1b1fb548dba8ddc34ed38911486b5cff895234.jpeg "Buchla 200 Modular Synth") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCK--bs6FYY) Same thing thing with you. If we run the same exact “notes” (stimulus) into different people, they all seem different (look different, sound different) on the surface, even though the core stimulus and core response is very much _the same_. The same notes, for instance, sound very different played on a piano than on a trombone. Yet they are the same notes, if you get my meaning! While you and I might both feel overly confident, one of us may drive more assertively, while another of may simply express themselves with more enthusiasm. Different “symptoms” of the same “root”, you could say. Androstenone is one of the few molecules that I would say, if not tempered with something else, can lead to a bit of aggression, or at least an extreme degree of assertion, in many wearers. i.e., the end expression or symptom is very similar for a great number of people. I think it’s a rather ugly molecule when it stands alone for that reason. (and that’s a major reason why I don’t let it stand alone) This, too, though, tends to die down with repeated exposure. We almost always become acclimated to self effects. The body and mind of the chronically exposed (in this case, the wearer, i.e. you) learns to remain in (or nearly in) homeostasis in response to the pheromonal stimulus. Keep in mind, of course, the upside of noticing the initial self-effects you get. You can better understand how people will feel around you. You won’t know what a woman is feeling, of course, because they’re a biochemical mirror to a man, but you will know how many people who are biochemically similar to you (same sex, similar genetic profile and health status) will automatically respond. Initial self-effects both let you know that the molecules do something, and gives a hint about what they do. Of course, some people exposed to your pheromones will respond much more intensely than you, and some less intensely. When it comes to the molecule in Instant Shine, I find that, for whatever reason, smokers don’t seem to experience much psychological affect. I’d reckon due to the brain patterns generated that chronic coffee drinkers wouldn’t either, since there’s too much overlap of biological response. You could say in some cases the brain has “one response to multiple forms of stimulus” ---
**Author:** ![Namaste1001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/namaste1001/32/1222_2.png) [@Namaste1001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Namaste1001)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-experience-more-aggressive-driving-behavior-while-using-instant-shine/31804/5 "2009-08-23T16:37:12Z")
I don’t have shine but I have noticed an increase in aggression when I use p75. Even just 2.5mcgs. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-experience-more-aggressive-driving-behavior-while-using-instant-shine/31804/6 "2009-08-23T16:47:57Z")
Oh ok, and here’s someone actually changing the wires. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/3/3cda92439f54425fd1cdffcd35c245a0486d95fa.jpeg "Buchla 200 Modular Synthesizer Patching") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUJdOu4z3h4) My apologizes if the “Buchla” isn’t actually old. I’ve never heard of the thing, but it comes up a lot when you search for “modular synthesizer” on youtube. I was hoping something with the old Moog or Korg would come up, both which sound very different when you go messing with the “wiring”. In any case, watching and listening to how “the same sounds” very obviously change when you do a little “rewiring” or fiddling is quite interesting when thing of the correlations to the stimulus/response model of the human mind, or the symptom/cause model in the body. It’s a decent visual and audible metaphor for what people mean when they talk about your “wiring”, or when people say that different folks get different “symptoms” of the “same root cause”. I see now that I’m not the only one to notice the corollary between synthesizers and “human wiring”. Here’s an actual synthesizer which is wired in a way similar to a neuron in the actual brain: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/e/eac0725dbcfab294e14f1c73168b976d491ef315.jpeg "NAMM 2009 - Evolution of a Neuronium patch") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj2TKVlt9Rk) [http://www.jomox.com/product\_details.php?lang=2&category=2&product\_id=9](http://www.jomox.com/product_details.php?lang=2&category=2&product_id=9) “Stimulus Edit”, ha! Very interesting. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/a/a7c75eb348c6a15a5e899912b3b30f5c22db8c72.jpeg) [http://www.jayemsonic.de/1l2-resoneurotext.html](http://www.jayemsonic.de/1l2-resoneurotext.html) I’m going to have to get one of these, and send one over to Richard Bandler for his new studio. He’s recording some new material for the MindSpa and a new iphone app, and he’ll get a kick out of this I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-experience-more-aggressive-driving-behavior-while-using-instant-shine/31804/7 "2009-08-23T17:02:48Z")
> [@Namaste1001](#): > > I don’t have shine but I have noticed an increase in aggression when I use p75. Even just 2.5mcgs. How reliable and repeatable is this result? How often have you tried, and for how long now?