# Anyone get a314 recently? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 9, 2013, 9:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535 "2013-07-09T09:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 2:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/21 "2013-07-11T02:09:12Z")
I’ve got Api too 😃 Its a great product and much closer to a314, but I would still prefer the original a314 because its scent and longevity. It also has less nols, and being a tester I mix with other products that usually have nols in them, which causes a bit of overlap… still, I am pretty happy with Api 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 3:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/22 "2013-07-11T03:27:35Z")
Yes, I still prefer A314 and when they sort this one out, I’ll be sticking with it but in the meantime, I’ve found I can use APi pretty interchangably. APi at higher doses can leave me feeling a bit queasy though. ☹ I suppose I was lucky that I’d restocked just before the duff batch of Rev31 came out but although it works ok, I did find that the scent and longevity of my December batched Rev31 was poorer compared to Rev23 and another batch (I have a few stockpiled). Its effects did tail-off a fair bit faster. I tried two things here - First I decanted 1ml into another dropper bottle and added four/five drops of a fairly robust cologne (Chanel Antaeus) for the scent. That restored its diffusion and longevity very nicely and the strength of Antaeus in the oil was muted, so quite managable at work. 🙂 Then I dropped twenty drops into a togo and diluted to 2.5ml with Chanel Blue and used that as a spray. Impact - superb, absolutely brilliant! 😃 However, it is shorter acting - about six hours. ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/23 "2013-07-11T03:53:05Z")
I got a bottle of rev31 from last year and it works better than the stuff I got after the “restock” a few months back. But its still not blatant and hard hitting like my rev20… that is an interesting idea and I’ve tried the rev31 post restock combined with cologne (1 drop per spray) and it still doesnt hit… Either way, I’m not happy with AD messing with the formulas or changing/adding things without notifying everyone, and especially continuing to sell a knowingly faulty product. Of course, we still get the same “its not the product, its you” excuse, and proceed to get ignored months later. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/24 "2013-07-11T03:57:11Z")
Its desperate measures I know but I’d be intersted to see if a few more people would try adding a stronger scent or diluting it. It certainly helps for my batch. ---
**Author:** ![SS108](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@SS108](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SS108)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/25 "2013-07-11T05:48:29Z")
I tried adding a stronger scent, nothing doing for me. I have an APi sample, will test it out. C4 from Hax is not bad but would prefer to use a decent A314 batch, not sure if this is ever going to happen though, I have my doubts. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/26 "2013-07-12T15:50:42Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’ve seen far fewer complaints about the sprays compared to the Rev31 oil - not really much more than you’d see under normal conditions, so I think they are fine. That’s good to know. I feel more comfortable recommending the spray to new customers. I know the early oil formulas were really exceptional…or at least what I read. IIRC, the sprays came from some test mixes, and it seemed like they were well tested for efficacy. Rev. 29 might not compare to earlier ones, but if it at least has some punch it’s a reasonable alternative for the $. I don’t see that they re-formulate the sprays often like the oil. The price/benefit is reasonable. The expense of the oil in the current formula raises some issues, if performance is sub par. ---
**Author:** ![ziezi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ziezi/32/507_2.png) [@ziezi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ziezi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 10:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/27 "2013-07-13T10:04:20Z")
I purchased A314 rev 31 in November , 2012. (from [AndroticsDirect.com](http://AndroticsDirect.com)) It’s an аmazing product. I had many blatant hits, that I will describe later when I have more time. Even a fallout… This is A314 rev.31 Batch 1G20721K Lot 1D090068 11/12/12 Batched by 2/6 But later came my disappointment when I purchased again in 2013.(from [a314.com](http://a314.com)) I am not new to mones , I tested different dosages ( 1 to 4 drops) in different environments for a while. The only effect it produced was that it seemed to make some people around me more irritable. Poor self effect. I unconsciously frown eyebrows and forehead. This new batch give me a BIG NOTHING.. I decided to give a chance to the amazing team of Androtics. I purchased a new one a314.(from [AndroticsDirect.com](http://AndroticsDirect.com)) ☹ А big disappointment again !!! These bathches are: 1-st rev.31 Batch 2B27721K Lot C080068 4/6/13 2-nd rev.31 Batch 2B27721K Lot C080068 06/06/13 The liquid is very diluted. It is not thick like a my first good batch in 2012: Rev.31 Batch 1G20721K Lot 1D090068 11/12/12 The liquid is very diluted. The drops drip (fall) very quickly. About 2 drops per second. I can not accurately dosed their number. (two instead of one , 3 instead 2 ) Awful The scent and poor effect last shortly than normal (only 2-3 hours…) I have no desire to talk about this MY BIG DISAPPOINTMENT. The thing is this batch of rev31 is an impotent batch, it’s not a properly working product. I hope that Androtics can resolve this problem. ---
**Author:** ![tye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@tye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tye)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/28 "2013-07-13T10:55:27Z")
big disapointment with this new batch of a314. i ve tried it one 3 occasions with 4drops,5drops and 7drops [lol] and nothing at all. not even a glimmer of a hit and none of the a314 self effects that i ve come to know and love. i hope that androtics can resolve this problem with their flagship product. guess ll be sending mine back. ---
**Author:** ![tye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@tye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tye)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/29 "2013-07-13T11:07:21Z")
has anyone else mailed their a314 back for a refund? did you have to pay for shipping? did you get a refund ? how does the refund work? we should not even have to send the the bottle back. ad should send us a new bottle with the right stuff, and mabe even jack it up a notch stronger. ---
**Author:** ![leon333](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leon333/32/539_2.png) [@leon333](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leon333)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/30 "2013-07-13T14:19:31Z")
my alpha 7 is on the way.this is an interesting product.it’s supposed to be a highly sexual mix with abit of status,but some experienced users say that it’s a dominant status alpha blend,with abit of sexuality.oh well here we go! more testing ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/31 "2013-07-13T18:10:15Z")
I’ve been credited a while back for the batch that didn’t work. From what John said it sounded like it was a one-off mistake so I bought another (stupidly). Its been about 3 months and we haven’t heard an explanation, and the ONLY time he was supposedly going to give one, they’re being DOS attacked online and didn’t save his work. I’m over the lies and bullshit over here, its ridiculous this garbage was being sold even knowing that it sucks. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/32 "2013-07-13T19:49:43Z")
My hope is that John would drop in here shortly and lay out the facts, as he knows them. 314 oil being the most expensive product, drop for drop, with intl. shipping and customs non-trivial. I don’t understand what would affect the viscosity of the oil. Reports I read sound like rone OD or lack of buffering in the formula. Or that it lacks the punch a [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) or similar steering mone would give it. Which means one or more molecules weren’t there or weren’t there in adequate amounts, as if the formulator didn’t follow the formula…or this was an experimental revision not adequately tested. If the sprays are still Rev. 29, and if that was OK, making a Rev. 29 oil sure seems to make sense. It’s hard to see how things with 31 are working to anyone’s satisfaction, but I’m keeping an open mind to different points of view. Trying to anyway. I know some guys spend $300 / mo. on products. That’s not me, but everyone wants _results_ from their purchase, no matter what they buy or where from. ---
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/33 "2013-07-13T22:29:52Z")
Looks like a314 is out of stock. Lets se if this restock that is already a month and a half past due happens soon. I think those of us that have been waiting for for a314 for well over 7 months now should get one hell of a deal! ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/34 "2013-07-14T01:21:06Z")
So some people say their bottle content got produced in June? And it’s the crappy Rev31? Didnt John S. say they up the batch number by one not if they change the formula, but if they produce new ones? Does that mean those produced in future will have the same batch and content? Geez, I’m waiting since I ordered in December. I want one of the oils that are praised so much! Never had it. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/35 "2013-07-14T01:56:47Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > So some people say their bottle content got produced in June? And it’s the crappy Rev31? Didnt John S. say they up the batch number by one not if they change the formula, but if they produce new ones? > Does that mean those produced in future will have the same batch and content? > Geez, I’m waiting since I ordered in December. I want one of the oils that are praised so much! Never had it. I was given to understand the rev #'s reflected product formulations. Some oil versions had over 12 molecules (not recently). The oil was a very early product and has been sold through other channels than just the A. D. store. The sprays came much later and developed from MX’s. But the store still lists that the formula for both sprays is rev. 29, the only real difference being the potency of the A or B relative to the _designed_ strength of one oil drop. It really isn’t clear if the design of rev. 31 wasn’t good or if it was good but flawed in the lab or actual formulation. But I don’t hear widespread issues about the sprays. Surprisingly, with all the threads here (some fairly redundant, frankly), it hasn’t been discussed much. I can’t truly fault the quality of anything in the ExperiMone line. My bottle of P75 is as good as one from last year. There is going to have to be a very frank and hopefully polite discussion though. That much is true. _Edit_: After I posted this, I went and read a report off the intro section. Guy used two sprays of 314 and got an unsolicited name and phone # off a girl. Now, he is a newbie, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic. I really don’t do cologne well. AMMO knocks me over. But, with this guy’s report. F\*\*k it. I’ll grab some spray next order. Maybe [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) will grow on me. This is how it’s supposed to work. _Edit_ 2: Damned sprays (both) and oil are out of stock. I hope this won’t be a two-month deal again. [Hello! New here and looking for guidance - #7 by thelostfox](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-new-here-and-looking-for-guidance/59436/7) \<\<\< newbie report ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/36 "2013-07-14T02:48:49Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I was given to understand the rev #'s reflected product formulations. Some oil versions had over 12 molecules (not recently). The oil was a very early product and has been sold through other channels than just the A. D. store. The sprays came much later and developed from MX’s. But the store still lists that the formula for both sprays is rev. 29, the only real difference being the potency of the A or B relative to the _designed_ strength of one oil drop. It really isn’t clear if the design of rev. 31 wasn’t good or if it was good but flawed in the lab or actual formulation. But I don’t hear widespread issues about the sprays. Surprisingly, with all the threads here (some fairly redundant, frankly), it hasn’t been discussed much. I can’t truly fault the quality of anything in the ExperiMone line. My bottle of P75 is as good as one from last year. There is going to have to be a very frank and hopefully polite discussion though. That much is true. > > After I posted this, I went and read a report off the intro section. Guy used two sprays of 314 and got an unsolicited name and phone # off a girl. Now, he is a newbie, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic. I really don’t do cologne well. AMMO knocks me over. But, with this guy’s report. F\*\*k it. I’ll grab some spray next order. Maybe Akuto will grow on me. This is how it’s supposed to work. > > [Hello! New here and looking for guidance - #7 by thelostfox](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-new-here-and-looking-for-guidance/59436/7) \<\<\< newbie report John admitted in the A314 Insiders Club thread that a formulator made the mistake of adding extra musk when he wasnt supposed to. He misread a sign that told him not to do it, but did it anyway… because of NLP… however true or not that is, it doesn’t change the fact the product was altered VERY negatively, yet it remain/s for sale. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/37 "2013-07-14T02:57:26Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > snip Well, but even if what you said was true - let’s say my A314 oil from December was flawed by mistake - then why are there other flawed ones produced in June this year. Since they knew at that time there was some mistake and should be more careful? I guess we can nail it down to a formulation error!? Ergo it may happen again when it gets restocked. So I advise you to be careful and not buy on impulse. At least not the oil. Wait for reports. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > _Edit_: After I posted this, I went and read a report off the intro section. Guy used two sprays of 314 and got an unsolicited name and phone # off a girl. Now, he is a newbie, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic. I really don’t do cologne well. AMMO knocks me over. But, with this guy’s report. F\*\*k it. I’ll grab some spray next order. Maybe Akuto will grow on me. This is how it’s supposed to work. _Edit_ 2: Damned sprays (both) and oil are out of stock. I hope this won’t be a two-month deal again. > > [Hello! New here and looking for guidance - #7 by thelostfox](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-new-here-and-looking-for-guidance/59436/7) \<\<\< newbie report Well I don’t\* think I noticed any complaints about the spray version. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/38 "2013-07-14T03:01:40Z")
> [@phertest](#): > > John admitted in the A314 Insiders Club thread that a formulator made the mistake of adding extra musk when he wasnt supposed to. He misread a sign that told him not to do it, but did it anyway… because of NLP… however true or not that is, it doesn’t change the fact the product was altered VERY negatively, yet it remain/s for sale. Then we should be discussing this here, in the open, rather than the private club. @ Mysterion . You say you did or didn’t hear negative feedback re. the sprays? 314 is the signature product, so it should perform above expectations. If it doesn’t, either in the spray or oil, it’s not for me. The performance, or lack, has to be addressed and corrected, in my opinion. Goes for any non-experimental product. It has to live up to it’s stated quality and promise. To be honest, I still don’t really understand if each revision is merely a new batch or is actually a new formula. It would be worth knowing. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/39 "2013-07-14T03:31:30Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Then we should be discussing this here, in the open, rather than the private club. > > @ Mysterion . You say you did or didn’t hear negative feedback re. the sprays? 314 is the signature product, so it should perform above expectations. If it doesn’t, either in the spray or oil, it’s not for me. The performance, or lack, has to be addressed and corrected, in my opinion. Goes for any non-experimental product. It has to live up to it’s stated quality and promise. To be honest, I still don’t really understand if each revision is merely a new batch or is actually a new formula. It would be worth knowing. Hi, I think this is a misunderstanding. Cause I completely agree with you and never thought otherwise. But the main issue the buyer’s remorse and discussion is about the oil. You highlighted kind of surprised and excited that the spray version wasn’t affected, but that was already known, so I thought I’d point it out 🙂 I too expect quality esp. for such an expensive product. I want the oil everyone praises. Mine does jack. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535/40 "2013-07-14T05:39:48Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > So some people say their bottle content got produced in June? And it’s the crappy Rev31? Didnt John S. say they up the batch number by one not if they change the formula, but if they produce new ones? > Does that mean those produced in future will have the same batch and content? > Geez, I’m waiting since I ordered in December. I want one of the oils that are praised so much! Never had it. In the past, he’s explained that a significant change to any component, phero or non-phero will warrant a new Revision number and only very minor tweaks are reflected in the batching. IME each previous revision I’ve had has lasted in the 6-8 month range. So we are still on target there and it doesn’t surprise me this one is going the full distance as I have a feeling that a lot of us simply decided to try and skip this batch altogether or eek-out our supplies with something else. So it may not be selling as fast? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-get-a314-recently/59535.md?page=3)