# APC (Androstenone Pheromone Concentrate) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 2, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640 "2006-09-02T00:35:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 12:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/21 "2006-09-03T00:49:24Z")
I’ve tried almost all the big names in LS. Chikara, Apc, PI, RM, AE, TE ( heat ), NPA, SOE, PERCP, LT, Pheros, etc ( i can’t remember already ). None of them worked except for Chikara + TE combo,..and even that was sooooo unstable/unreliable. It would rarely work but when it did, it was magic. Don’t like the funky cool water too ( apc ) 🙂 > [@sigma](#): > > Same here. Perception anyone? Chikara? APC? PI? all a bust for me. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/22 "2006-09-03T02:07:04Z")
> [@nfs](#): > > I’ve tried almost all the big names in LS. > > Chikara, Apc, PI, RM, AE, TE ( heat ), NPA, SOE, PERCP, LT, Pheros, etc ( i can’t remember already ). > > None of them worked except for Chikara + TE combo,..and even that was sooooo unstable/unreliable. It would rarely work but when it did, it was magic. Don’t like the funky cool water too ( apc ) 🙂 What did you get from liquid trust? ---
**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/23 "2006-09-03T03:21:33Z")
Absolutely nothing Catlord. Liquid Trust smells really alcoholic, and it comes in a tiny tiny bottle. After a few sprays, u’re already half way empty. I sprayed it on clothes mainly. 1, ..then 2, then 3 sprays…nothing at all. Even if it did work, it’s effects were unoticeable to me, and it’s way too expensive to use. The bottle’s as big as the sample sprays that MHarris gives out. And that alone is $30. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/24 "2006-09-03T03:24:21Z")
> [@nfs](#): > > Absolutely nothing Catlord. Liquid Trust smells really alcoholic, and it comes in a tiny tiny bottle. After a few sprays, u’re already half way empty. > > I sprayed it on clothes mainly. 1, ..then 2, then 3 sprays…nothing at all. > Even if it did work, it’s effects were unoticeable to me, and it’s way too expensive to use. The bottle’s as big as the sample sprays that Michael Harris gives out. And that alone is $30. Anyone else try LT? The folks at LS are raving over it ---
**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/25 "2006-09-03T03:36:56Z")
Sigma, alot of folks at LS also mentioned that it didn’t do squat. LT is not even a mone i think. MHarris, have u any opinions on oxytocin? ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/26 "2006-09-03T05:07:29Z")
LT is supposed to be oxytocin, but that really seems questionable for a number of reasons. I have to say, LT did have definite effects for me, but I didn’t notice anything positive… except that at 3 sprays, women became emotional, and even overemotional. That could be a positive if you are willing to work on framing it to your advantage, but that’s a lot of work. But aside from that, it made me and them tired (had a couple women actually fall asleep talking to me!), made them pee a lot, and killed the effects of whatever pheromones I wore it with. I still have most of my bottle. ---
**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 8:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/27 "2006-09-03T08:06:16Z")
That’s interesting Catlord. Why have u not used it more often? And what do you feel on yourself, when u spray LT ? ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/28 "2006-09-03T15:14:32Z")
> [@nfs](#): > > Sigma, alot of folks at LS also mentioned that it didn’t do squat. LT is not even a mone i think. > > Michael Harris, have u any opinions on oxytocin? I was just wondering. Based on the nature of oxytocin, I don’t see why it would work. But some say it does, so it makes me wonder ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 3:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/29 "2006-09-03T15:17:52Z")
> [@nfs](#): > > That’s interesting Catlord. Why have u not used it more often? > > And what do you feel on yourself, when u spray LT ? Even if it does what it’s supposed to do, it wouldn’t be very useful. For one, I cannot wear anything else with it because it wipes out the effects of other “[pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/)” type products. You can’t mix it - or, at least, I can’t. For two, it only seems to have noticeable effects at 2+ sprays, and you’re verging on overdose by then. For three, I don’t exactly have much use for women falling asleep while talking to me. If I wanted them to do that, I would just hypnotize them. Fourth, it’s not all that much fun sitting around while she goes off to bee every eleven minutes… lol And last but not least, falling asleep at the wheel myself isn’t my idea of a good time. LT is an interesting concept, and I did have use for its effects once… but I wasn’t able to maintain the conversation with my ex long enough to get it to work on her. So I guess I just really don’t have much use for it. I’m sure not everyone will have the same results I did, but the results I got, I can’t really put into any useful context. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/30 "2006-09-03T19:59:26Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Even if it does what it’s supposed to do, it wouldn’t be very useful. For one, I cannot wear anything else with it because it wipes out the effects of other “pheromone” type products. You can’t mix it - or, at least, I can’t. > > For two, it only seems to have noticeable effects at 2+ sprays, and you’re verging on overdose by then. > > For three, I don’t exactly have much use for women falling asleep while talking to me. If I wanted them to do that, I would just hypnotize them. > > Fourth, it’s not all that much fun sitting around while she goes off to bee every eleven minutes… lol > > And last but not least, falling asleep at the wheel myself isn’t my idea of a good time. > > LT is an interesting concept, and I did have use for its effects once… but I wasn’t able to maintain the conversation with my ex long enough to get it to work on her. So I guess I just really don’t have much use for it. I’m sure not everyone will have the same results I did, but the results I got, I can’t really put into any useful context. Based on the supposed effects of LT (from what I’ve read anyway) I think IH would work just as well, if not better, without all the afformentioned negative effects. Although IH is touted as being strictly a communication pheromone, I find that it works wonders at establish trust and rapport at moderate amounts - people just seem to feel comfortable around you and really open up. I only really see the “truth serum” type effects at OD levels. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/31 "2006-09-03T20:37:37Z")
I use LT loads. I’ve posted that somewhere in here before. Effects are similar to those achieved when using IH, but are NOT as deep, or soul-baring. People I don’t know from Adam or Eve have told me things they definitely did NOT mean to though - even a woman standing behind me in a queue in the post office, once! Good stuff. I have two of the large atomisers, and have added IH to one, but have NOT tested that one out yet. Could be very interesting.. You definitely can mix it with 'mones, as I had that question personally answered by their helpline via email, and I have worn it with TE/W before now, and got the benefits of both. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/32 "2006-09-04T00:29:14Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > I use LT loads. I’ve posted that somewhere in here before. > > Effects are similar to those achieved when using Instant Honesty, but are NOT as deep, or soul-baring. > > People I don’t know from Adam or Eve have told me things they definitely did NOT mean to though - even a woman standing behind me in a queue in the post office, once! > > Good stuff. I have two of the large atomisers, and have added IH to one, but have NOT tested that one out yet. > > Could be very interesting.. > > You definitely can mix it with 'mones, as I had that question personally answered by their helpline via email, and I have worn it with TE/W before now, and got the benefits of both. > > Ail 🙂 sounds like an interesting combination. Keep us posted on how that goes. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2006, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640/33 "2006-09-04T07:01:35Z")
I guess I’ll have to test it some more then, Ail. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/apc-androstenone-pheromone-concentrate/640.md?page=1)