# Are the Instant Shine, Openness, Honesty, etc, made differently? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 14, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072 "2009-02-14T12:51:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/1 "2009-02-14T12:51:54Z")
What I’m wondering is, whether those products (Instant Shine, Honesty, etc) are each made in two different formulas, one for men and one for women? Or is there just one of each product, that works for either sex? And if so, what other products are “unisex”, and are there any men’s products that can also work on women (but maybe have a different effect or something)? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/2 "2009-02-14T13:48:39Z")
Mmk, lemme dust off my memory this morning and see what i can do here… First off, let me list products by what they truly are: Men’s Products: -A314 -TUTH -IG -Ammo -IJ -IFM Women’s Products: -IS/a -IS/b -LAM (lust after me, out of stock) -IFM for women Unisex Products: -IS -IH -IO These unisex products aren’t made with different formulas for the different genders, since they contain no gender-based [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). Just gooood ol’ fashioned socials. IFM is the only social that changes its formula between male and female use, since that one needed either less or more buffers in it for male use. Some men find that androstienone can cause them to feel depressed as a self-effect. Noooo good. The putatives and experimones (except androstenone) can also be used by both sexes, but this is more for testing purposes and less for consumer needs. As for men’s products being used by women, the only one i’ve read reports on is women using TUTH to raise aggression in their man and help turn themselves on for more intimate encounters, by dabbing a bit on their upper lip for the … well, i suppose self-effect, but then, that was the products non-self-effects originally. Stupid gender use changes, confusing me with their changes in what constitutes self and other people effects. 😛 Hope that helps! Edit: I have been kindly reminded that TAH and TAL are both female molecules as well, from the experimone line, that can be worn by men in small doses, but best to buffer them with plenty of male pheromones as well. Thanks to whoever that was! ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/3 "2009-02-14T15:46:50Z")
[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) was originally a men’s product, then some of the ladies tried it and liked it. the rest is history. Have a browse around and you will find evidence of users trying the ‘other side’s’ products. Guys using MX135 or EST, girls trying small doses of TUTH etc. I’m contemplating a combo at the moment of ammo with TAH (normally reckoned to be a female molecule). Hey, if you want to wear A314 with TUTH, try it, just make sure you report your results 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/4 "2009-02-14T16:03:27Z")
> [@diamond](#): > > I’m contemplating a combo at the moment of ammo with TAH (normally reckoned to be a female molecule). Interesting idea there, Diamond. I was contemplating trying out a combo of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and either TAL or TAH (or maybe try each one combo seperately) to see about getting a cool, friendly vibe for guys who have a hard time getting to just be friends with women. I know that sounds like a weird choice there, but in my experience, the more female friends you have the better an understanding of women you get. And who doesn’t want to have an inkling about that fair sex of ours? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/5 "2009-02-14T16:14:38Z")
> [@Mr.Feel\_Good](#): > > Interesting idea there, Diamond. I was contemplating trying out a combo of Instant Gentleman and either TAL or TAH (or maybe try each one combo seperately) to see about getting a cool, friendly vibe for guys who have a hard time getting to just be friends with women. I know that sounds like a weird choice there, but in my experience, the more female friends you have the better an understanding of women you get. And who doesn’t want to have an inkling about that fair sex of ours? 🙄 I’m thinking that TAH might bring out the kitten in some of the more ‘reserved’ ladies, perhaps encourage a little more playful kino? Maybe TAL might encourage some more forceful behaviour in the same way? @ Sillykitty, sorry for the hijack but this illustrates the brilliant thing about this forum, someone says something, sets a number of people’s train of thought running and the whole thing mushrooms 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/6 "2009-02-14T16:58:50Z")
Please don’t apologize, my question has been answered beautifully, and I am absolutely enjoying following the interesting turns the conversation is taking 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/7 "2009-02-15T03:50:20Z")
One of the nice things is, everyone can use everything and get good results. I know a guy who uses [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/)… and gets good results. I use copulins and TAL. Women use androstenone, androsterone, and so on. It’s just a matter of amounts. It’s a good idea to experiment and get an idea of what does what, even if it’s blatantly “not your sex”. For instance, I have a few times worn 2-3 drops of Essence of Woman, which is about 1,200 to 1,800 times more copulins that I usually use. I don’t have Androtics copulins, but they have a different formula for it. I use TAL regularly, to enhance the response I get from women. TAH is interesting, too. It’s all about understanding what had what effect, and how you mix it, and what aounts you use. Have fun. Report. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/8 "2009-02-15T19:36:58Z")
Catlord has a good point, People usually start out with products that are more specfic to there gender but men make some primary female mones and womens makes some primary male mones just in different amounts. Once you have used the products of your gender dont be afraid to experiment with the opposite genders primary mones. You may have to work a little harder to find the correct dosage and compliment them with your own genders mones but they can steer a mix in a whole new fun direction. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/are-the-instant-shine-openness-honesty-etc-made-differently/26072/9 "2009-02-15T19:57:22Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > One of the nice things is, everyone can use everything and get good results. I know a guy who uses Instant Sexiness… and gets good results. I use copulins and TAL. Women use androstenone, androsterone, and so on. It’s just a matter of amounts. > > It’s a good idea to experiment and get an idea of what does what, even if it’s blatantly “not your sex”. For instance, I have a few times worn 2-3 drops of Essence of Woman, which is about 1,200 to 1,800 times more copulins that I usually use. I don’t have Androtics copulins, but they have a different formula for it. I use TAL regularly, to enhance the response I get from women. TAH is interesting, too. It’s all about understanding what had what effect, and how you mix it, and what aounts you use. > > Have fun. Report. 🙂 I have had some of my very best intimate bonding sessions with girls when using 1dr Alpha 7 combined with 2-3 sprays of [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/).