# art of approaching women **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 20, 2007, 11:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782 "2007-11-20T11:25:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kopo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d6d6ee/32.png) [@kopo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kopo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 11:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/1 "2007-11-20T11:25:30Z")
Hi. I wanted to hear if anyone has read or heard about ``the art of approaching women’’ by joseph matthews? is it useful? ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/2 "2007-11-20T12:20:45Z")
Never heard of him but i can tell you that there are a good bunch of very intelligent guys here who are involved in the pick-up community.They will be able to help. Let me just say this though even a “natural” will go out and talk to everyone, walk up and flirt with girls ,pick-up, and get rejected too! but all in a spirit of fun and enjoyment. ---
**Author:** ![aleksander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aeb1de/32.png) [@aleksander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aleksander)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 1:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/3 "2007-11-20T13:22:51Z")
read mystery method instead works for me ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/4 "2007-11-20T13:29:05Z")
> [@kopo](#): > > Hi. > > I wanted to hear if anyone has read or heard about ``the art of approaching women’’ by joseph matthews? is it useful? I wouldn’t go out of my way to get a copy. Thundercat seems to be a helpful chap, but there are others out there who are better. Take a look at [approachanxiety.com](http://approachanxiety.com) and google ‘direct game pua’. Also ask Steveo 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/5 "2007-11-20T14:02:35Z")
Start by reading Eckert Tolle "The Power of Now. Believe me when I tell you it will change your thinking. After you read that one, and if you have the budget, there are quite a few resources IMHO that blow many of the so called gurus out of the water. David DeAngelo: Double Your Dating - Great way to start your immersion into pickup. Gives value for the price on why things work. Mystery Method - Stacks on the routines and outlines the way a pickup should progress, a must read for anyone (yep even women) trying to date. Real Social Dynamics: Good Natural game Pickup 101: Better natural game Juggler Method: Best Natural Game - Here’s a link to free podcasts from Juggler and company: [FREE Podcasts - Charisma Arts](http://www.charismaarts.com/community/podcasts) There are a lot of valuable free sources for the exchange on information; Bristol Lair mASF Venusian Arts Forum Mehow That’s just all the ones I can think of on one cup of coffee at 8 am. When you get advanced and want mastery; find yourself some Zan and you will understand. Hope this finds you well. ---
**Author:** ![Genesis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/genesis/32/440_2.png) [@Genesis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Genesis)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/6 "2007-11-22T02:41:36Z")
i hear a lot of people were successful with magic bullets ---
**Author:** ![boss141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@boss141](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boss141)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 3:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/7 "2007-11-22T03:14:16Z")
> [@Genesis](#): > > i hear a lot of people were successful with magic bullets Its a broad version of the Mystery Method. The Mystery Method is better at showing general techniques and allowing a person to develop their own approach ---
**Author:** ![Special\_K](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/special_k/32/771_2.png) [@Special\_K](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Special_K)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/8 "2007-11-22T03:48:59Z")
Good post SteveO, covered all bases there. Personally I’m a huge fan of David Deangelo and his ‘Double your Dating’ programme. It’s probably a good place to start. Mystery Method lays things out almost mathmatically. Haven’t tried RSD, probably never will. But I hear good things about Juggler method. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/9 "2007-11-22T06:29:15Z")
The old “Smile and ‘Hello’” method works, too – especially if, immediately after you make eye contact: as you slowly walk toward your soon-to-be-new acquaintance, you flirt by looking casually down and back up, from neck to toes and back to the crown of the head. Don’t stare at her tits or crotch … she will think you are a weirdo / sketch / jerk. But don’t act like you don’t notice, either. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/10 "2007-11-22T07:02:59Z")
I’ve read David DeAngelo, Carlos Xuma and Mark Ryan (seduction king)'s stuff.. all are quite good. ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 9:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/11 "2007-11-22T09:27:46Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > The old “Smile and ‘Hello’” method works, too – especially if, immediately after you make eye contact: as you slowly walk toward your soon-to-be-new acquaintance, you flirt by looking casually down and back up, from neck to toes and back to the crown of the head. > > Don’t stare at her tits or crotch … she will think you are a weirdo / sketch / jerk. But don’t act like you don’t notice, either. Some good pointers!🙂 …but what is a weirdo/sketch/jerk 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 11:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/12 "2007-11-22T11:48:41Z")
> [@flaming](#): > > Some good pointers!🙂 > …but what is a weirdo/sketch/jerk 😃 Perhaps a weirdo is looking there at the wrong time! 😃 Jerk is somebody who is totally egoistic and a narcissist I believe.. I think the worst thing is when she thinks you are a narcissist for some reason but you have not exhibited any selfish behaviour ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 10:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/13 "2007-11-22T22:36:21Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > The old “Smile and ‘Hello’” method works, too. Got 2 ex-wives using the smile intro. I still use it to this day, sometimes varied to “You know I bet if you tried really hard you could smile”, then if they do smile I follow with “That looks much better on you”, then I tell them to try to keep it on and I walk away. I’ll then wait 10-15-30 minutes and walk back up to them usually to find that they are wide open to talking and getting to know me. Sometimes they don’t even wait for me to come back, but come find me to strike up a conversation. Of couse, this is my nightclub pickup line, and wouldn’t work in situations where you can’t go back to them later on. I think the walking away works so well because it throws them off balance. Here I walked over and used an old and corny pickup line on them, and just as they were thinking “Oh great another jackass hitting on me” and preparing their defense, I walk away. Now they don’t know what to think, but I believe that it intrigues them. ---
**Author:** ![Holmes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/holmes/32/2128_2.png) [@Holmes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Holmes)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/15 "2007-11-22T22:51:02Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > I wouldn’t go out of my way to get a copy. Thundercat seems to be a helpful chap, but there are others out there who are better. > > Take a look at [approachanxiety.com](http://approachanxiety.com) and google ‘direct game pua’. Also ask Steveo 😉 Hey Quirk, ever heard of that guy Ben Lowrey? ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/16 "2007-11-22T22:51:15Z")
Theres alot of material to look at on PUA, but alot of the canned material is really played out. Some people also get really caught in their routine and have no idea how bad their body language and delivery is. The material serves more as a means to build confidence by having something to open with as much as possible. If you can learn the bare basics of ACS, establish a strong frame with good body language, good voice, and learn what to do and not do in an opener, you will go a long way. > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I think the walking away works so well because it throws them off balance. I forget the proper terminology but it’s discussed in pickup about “taking away”. It can be as easily as turning to face the other direction, or your holding hands and you pull away from her. It’s seems pretty crazy to open, give them a taste and then just walk away. But hey whatever works. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/17 "2007-11-22T23:18:26Z")
> [@Pheraoh](#): > > I forget the proper terminology but it’s discussed in pickup about “taking away”. It can be as easily as turning to face the other direction, or your holding hands and you pull away from her. It’s seems pretty crazy to open, give them a taste and then just walk away. > > But hey whatever works. Pheraoh, I can’t think of the term either, but it is a take away, and the power behind it is that they are caught off balance. Beautiful woman are used to being hit on, having guys hang on their every word, and wanting to do anything to please them. The take away shows them that you are in control, and not willing to give them your power. SteveO talks about sitting on the sofa with his girl and getting things heated up, then pulling back and wanting to go make popcorn in one of the other threads. Try the walk away in a club, I know it sounds crazy, but it does work. Use the smile line, then tell her that you were just going to get a drink, join your friends, use the restroom, play some pool, or whatever, and walk away. Come back a little while later and tell her that she looks a little happier now, then ask her name, and you’re in. The only thing you have to lose is a single opportunity to use your usual routines. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 5:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/18 "2007-11-23T05:14:27Z")
Take aways are wonderful things. It shows people that you have a choice and you elect to do whatever the heck you want to do. Very powerful Alpha vibe to put out. I also agree that routines can absorb so much that the rAFC loses insight to other important things such as good posture/body language. I think every PUA or whomever somewhere along the line starts out with basic canned routines for a reason. Not so much to succeed in pick up, but to give them a benchmark of where they are and what they can do to improve. To me, IMHO, that’s why TMM works pretty well as far as an outline. I go out with new members of my lair and I cringe when I see them using a routine out of the book. Funny thing I used to do the same thing. Now I just go au naturele and just have fun. We all start somewhere! Personally when I started David De Angelo was the natural course for me to follow. I knew the alleged “bad boys” always got the girl while I was left to fantasize alone (OMG did he just say masturbation?). By reading Double your Dating it not only gave me the insight how to be cocky and funny, not rude and demeaning, but why that method worked. Next I went onto DYD Deep Inner Game. From there I picked up some Venusian Arts (The original Mystery Method) and then as I progressed my game progressed. The natural flow of information brought me along the line, and still does, of what I was ready for. Regardless of who said this was good, or read that, in the end it was I who made my decision where to start and go from there. When I first realized I needed to get that part of my life organized I found Fast Seduction 101 and read everything I could and yet when it was time to buy I went to De Angelo. That’s where I was in life so that was the natural progression of my game. Now I am into Zan and if you know who he is you know where I am. I connect and understand with what he says. Two years ago I would have thought he was speaking Greek! Like I said earlier we all start somewhere and as an individual only you can answer where you should start and what book is going to be the most beneficial. A great wise man, whose name eludes me, once said: “When we ask others for opinions we are only seeing if it varies from the decision we have already made.” Go forth and find your path. ---
**Author:** ![LastTry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@LastTry](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LastTry)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/19 "2007-11-24T12:02:18Z")
De-angelo & his “whats the fat content of this friend”. Graig… Mystery.. RSD… and a few more in the david d group.. I only have one word for them all. LEGENDS. ---
**Author:** ![jcia2006](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/858c86/32.png) [@jcia2006](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jcia2006)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/20 "2007-11-25T04:21:56Z")
Get Women Secret what about this? i am a strong believer of David D , but lately ive been reading other’s =p let me know what yall think about this woman. … Moderated by Tisha. This link set off more then one persons security firewalls and spyware detectors. Sorry but I am removing the link from Pherotalk to there site. Use google if you must read. ---
**Author:** ![Holmes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/holmes/32/2128_2.png) [@Holmes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Holmes)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782/21 "2007-11-25T04:34:04Z")
I’ve heard of her, but man… > [@](#): > > It does NOT matter if you are ugly, bald or fat! > > It does NOT matter what age you are - 18 or 80! > > It does NOT matter if you have a low paying job! “It does NOT matter if you’re living or dead.” This method must involve a blunt object of some kind. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/art-of-approaching-women/6782.md?page=2)