# Aside from 'the big four' (P 74, 79, 83, 93), what are your favourite putatives? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 1, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aside-from-the-big-four-p-74-79-83-93-what-are-your-favourite-putatives/7920 "2008-01-01T01:32:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 27
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 11:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aside-from-the-big-four-p-74-79-83-93-what-are-your-favourite-putatives/7920/27 "2008-06-12T11:46:17Z")
**We continue our exploration on Meo-Est now. Again it seems to work nicely with TAC for Sugarpice in eliciting friendliness and a mood boost, Tater points out that he doesn’t use it in a mix regularly because of its ‘memory erasure’ effect, Denec was having a hard time seeing any results from the molecule on its own, while Warren was getting Meo-Est’s famous ‘nest cleaning’ and ‘mind-altering’/‘spacey’ effects…** [sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/observations-on-meo-est/9433/10)(April 18, 2008): “[MEOEST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/)+TAC = Awesome. Just a good mood that is nearly unshatterable. This usually guarantees hello from strangers. It’s not like a high like drugs or a zoinky feeling like with [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/), it’s quite natural, like your not wearing anything. I would say this is natural attraction. I don’t know why it turns heads for me but it does.” [sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/observations-on-meo-est/9433/12) (April 23, 2008): “…I do a 3 to 1 of TAC and [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/). So 30mcg of [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) plus 10mcg of [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) and I’m pretty positive for the full 8 hours of work. My journal has a semi log if you want to check it out.” [sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-chic-magnets-for-chics/13307/3) (June 2008): “…I’m not so sure TAC alone does anything BUT [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) is the intensifier. I think there is [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) in MX 135. I tend to use that with [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) when I’m going for the BAM effect. Though I am not so sure it has been as effective.” [sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-chic-magnets-for-chics/13307/8) (June 2008): “…Well TAC by itself is hard to gauge, so I always add [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/). Usually it’s 3:1, but this time I upped the [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) to strait 1:1. I used 3-4 sprays. My bottles are 10mcg each. So I’m guessing by diluting the two I got 20mcg???” [MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-ultimate-business-mix-help-appreciated/12156/10) (May 4, 2008): “…Tater also avoids[MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) for regular use in a mix because of the memory erase effect…” `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/meo-est-report-13057.html#post113871\` denec (April 30, 2008): “ **MEO-EST report** I bought a bottle of [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) 20 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram), and here are my results so far: Day 1 am: [meo-est](https://phera.com/) 20mcg 1 spray to upper chest - throat no self-effects, no hits at all going to work or in the city Day 1 lunch time : [meo-est](https://phera.com/) 40 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) 1 spray to upper chest - throat and 1 spray to chin no self-effects, no hits at all Day 1 after work went to a local bar : applied 2 more sprays of [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) 40 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) same places as above no self-effects , no hits Day 2 am: [meo-est](https://phera.com/) 60 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram), 3 sprays all to the throat area no self-effects, no hits Day 2 lunchtime : [meo-est](https://phera.com/) 60mcg , 3 sprays, two to the wrist, 1 to the face no self effect, no hits Day 2 Evening : [meo-est](https://phera.com/) 100 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram), 5 sprays all to the upper throat , chin was hoping i would get some self-effect, but nothing I decided to go out to the local barnes and noble and do some strolling and got nothing to speak about. I will start mixing with other pheros, i am waiting for my [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) 20mcg, since i ran out of [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) 5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram), should be here this week. I was hoping it would do some self effects, but i guess maybe i really need to mix it with something else to see something. Or maybe I am just immune to the self effects. I am just reporting what I observed so far. Later today I am going to go back to MX203 which has become my favorite and now throw [meo-est](https://phera.com/) into the mix and see what happens if anything changes.” [denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tee-hee-hee-meo-est-made-me-do-it/179/34) (May 2008): “when i experimented with [meo-est](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) by itself i got no self effects at all, or even help with effects of targets here is my thread MEO-EST report I found later on with idle help it is best to pair with others like [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) seems to work great and others then you see better results by itself i have yet to find a use for it it is really hard to pin down exactly the use of [meo-est](https://phera.com/)” [Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tee-hee-hee-meo-est-made-me-do-it/179/29) (May 2008): “Back in December and January I did some experimenting with [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/). I have trouble coming to any conclusion about what [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) does, but I took minute by minute notes about what I was experiencing. It definitely does something! I apologize for not reporting my results sooner, but stuff was happening in my life. These experiments were inspired by Jasmin’s hypothesis that [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) invokes a nest cleaning instinct. Here’s the raw data - [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) Sunday Dec 16, 2007 up about 1:00 pm coffee, eggs, pancakes 1:27 pm two sprays in the face of TOGO [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) (2.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)/ spray) No other pheromones. Intent: Wrap Xmas presents, clean room, write letters. 2:40 pm I’m getting things done, but I’ve got a headache. 2:52 pm Somewhat obsessed with thought of a female friend & unhappy, discouraged. 3:02 pm Heartache. Double Espresso. Another spray [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) 3:08 pm lying down, hurting. sobbing. 3:12 wrapping presents, again 3:18 sense of calm 3:32 pm I’m composing letters in my head. Adding two sprays Instant Honesty And one more spray [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/). 3:53 pm I still don’t know what to write. I’m thinking more and getting less done with the addition of Instant Honesty I am disinclined right now to see [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) as nest cleaning, though perhaps it enhances nest cleaning if already invoked. Perhaps now I am brain cleaning. 4:12 lying down again. gift wrapping done. 4:45 Nausious, head ache. God, I hate that Instant Honesty smell normally I like it. Lying down, awake, mind racing. 5:45 Feeling relatively, normal. Going to dinner. [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) Monday Dec 24, 2007 Intention - determine 2007 tax liability, clean room 1:26 pm two sprays [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) togo on chest under light shirt, strong coffee 1:29 a little light headed 1:32 I think it does seem to be focusing me somewhat. Less distractable from what I’m doing which is cleaning off my desk. 2:19 Focus really stalling out. Mind wandering all over. 2:20 Another spray [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/), 10 mg pregnenolone for alertness 2:23 50 mg dilantin for focus 2:29 feeling sad. 2:30 Very mild sense of disorientation. 2:50 Clumsy. 2:56 - 3:15 Thinking about relationships. Writing. 3:34 Coffee, I&C 3:35 Another spray [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) w/ one spray Fem Magic. 3:58 I like this, focused, less distracted (by the bitch in my head?). It seems that 4:18 Calm, maybe a little tired. 4:31 A little spacy. 4:35 Spacy to the point of being sleepy. (I got at least 10 hours sleep last night and I’ mon my second cup of strong coffee since 1:26). Way too calm for so much caffeine. 4:54 Well, I have gotten my desk cleaned off. Lots of stuff filed away or shredded, the flickering light over my desk fixed. Maybe [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) is nest cleaning. My desk has been stacking up for more than ten weeks. But it is more complex than nest cleaning, for sure. The Fem Magic made a big difference. [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) Monday Januray 14 intention: clean up office, do filing 11:30 am 3 sprays [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) 11:57 Focused and energized. No way I’m gonna just lie around and do nothing this morning. I seem to need to be active. It would be difficult to just read for any length of time even if it was material which was important to what I was trying to get done. 12:11 This is a wary uncomfortable feeling. I don’t like [MEO-EST](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) by itself. 12:15 A314, two drops, old formula 12:20 - 12:30 lying down, feeling bad 12:45 Took old stereo that I’ve been falling over out to the dumpster. 12:58 Feeling miserable. 1:00 Two sprays [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). One more spray [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/). 1:39 Feelimg much better after Instant Female Magic Making progress filing papersand cleaning desk. 1:49 Feeling a little sick at my stomach. 2:45 Still making progress with the work I intended to do, but there are interruptions which are un usually annoying.” [Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tee-hee-hee-meo-est-made-me-do-it/179/35) (May 2008): “…[Meo-Est](https://a314.com/product-category/experimental/) didn’t feel obsessive compulsive. I didn’t make me feel particularly happy. I did get more “nest cleaning” done than I otherwise would have, but there was other weird stuff going on emotionally. Re-reading my notes, I was obviously feeling tired (depressed?) and spacy during most of the experiments – and it was on three different days so that wouldn’t seem to be coincidental…” --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aside-from-the-big-four-p-74-79-83-93-what-are-your-favourite-putatives/7920)._