# Attracting African-American Women? (Noob Request) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 15, 2007, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656 "2007-11-15T03:59:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Glcceo3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Glcceo3](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Glcceo3)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/1 "2007-11-15T03:59:22Z")
Hey yall. I am a college student that attends a predominantly black university down here in Florida. I am trying to figure out which phero’s would work well with attracting black college girls. I have game, but a little assist never hurts. I’ve read through all the newbie journals and must-reads and of course Taters entertaining insights on women, phero’s and small animals and children. 😉 lol. But yea, what advice, tips, or products would yall suggest? Also where should I apply these pheros? Also, my stat line: 22 year old 6’ african-american male, slim-athletic build. 167 lbs. (Like Rip Hamilton, but without all the height and NBA contract. 😃) ---
**Author:** ![DrZorters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@DrZorters](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrZorters)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 4:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/2 "2007-11-15T04:12:06Z")
African American girls seem to like a Pheromone signature with a high androstenone content. Try some Ammo with a little bit of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). Also try small amounts of TUTH. Be careful with TUTH. You probably produce a good deal of androstenone at your age and healthy physical condition. If you look like Rick Hamilton you might want to put on about 20 pounds of muscle and wear a mask too!lol. DrZorters ---
**Author:** ![no7ah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/no7ah/32/1890_2.png) [@no7ah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/no7ah)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 4:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/3 "2007-11-15T04:47:35Z")
be careful with the androstenone. It’s either a really good response or you’re ignored. OD and find your correct dosage ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 6:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/4 "2007-11-15T06:14:04Z")
> [@Glcceo3](#): > > Hey yall. I am a college student that attends a predominantly black university down here in Florida. I am trying to figure out which phero’s would work well with attracting black college girls. I have game, but a little assist never hurts. I’ve read through all the newbie journals and must-reads and of course Taters entertaining insights on women, phero’s and small animals and children. 😉 lol. But yea, what advice, tips, or products would yall suggest? Also where should I apply these pheros? > > Also, my stat line: 22 year old 6’ african-american male, slim-athletic build. 167 lbs. (Like Rip Hamilton, but without all the height and NBA contract. 😃) Light-skinned “high yeller” girls under 25 respond very well to Come Talk to Me, Instant Honesty, Instant Shine and EST (the latter of which you may not be able to order, but can get from elsewhere). All of these work really well in your hair if you have a style where you can wash it thoroughly and condition it. You don’t want build-up. If she’s part Asian or part Caucasian, this is your best option. Dark-skinned girls under 25 respond very well to a spray imitation of A314 called MX103 (which is also for advanced users only). A314, however, also works well at heavier doses, presumably because the oil slows dissipation so much and you cant (shouldnt) put oil in your hair. Add [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and Come Talk to Me or IFM + heavy Instant Honesty and youll do well. Just tune to perfection. Most importantly, you need to find a youthful, but not childish (and not gay) scent for yourself. If you offend a black woman’s sensibilities, you may not be able to recover. I suggest you use either CTTM:IFM:Shine:A314 at 8:1:3 with 2 drops A314 or Instant Honesty:IFM:Shine:A314 at 16:2:2 with 2 drops A314, then adjust for conversation, touch level, masculinity and the all-important menstrual cycle. I wore that with heavy EST + Sean Jean on hair to a family reunion and my aunts, cousins, sisters, visiting friends, everybody from 2 to 70 thought i was the hottest thing since habaneros. The 15-25 year old women present were possessive and wouldnt let me out of their sight. Androstenone is NOT something i recommend black males wear, unless theyre going after Latinas or Caucasian women, or are carefully hiding it in their own sweat or buffering it. The whole thing about black men putting out a lot of androstenone seems to be a fallacy though, at least in my case and one of my friends. Whatever i put out when im working out DILUTES androstenone quickly. Notice in my journal i say that androstenone may be a Caucasian phenomena. If you buffer it heavily or smother it with your own sweat (e.g. work out at the gym while wearing), you can wear a ton of it. Now, it WILL make YOU hostile at high dosages. Black women also are not androstenone-lovers. They can detect androstenone AND androstadienone more easily than some Asian women it seems. Ive also noticed that black women who i know have previously dated white men respond well to androstenone. Those who have NOT dated white men, especially the racist, separatist, militant, i-hate-white-people sort have the keenest negative responses to androstenone. That adds more fuel to my theory that theres some important difference in background pheros. Taters a bit wasted right now, so i hope im not leading you wrong. ---
**Author:** ![TRDE59](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/trde59/32/412_2.png) [@TRDE59](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TRDE59)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/5 "2007-11-15T07:01:05Z")
Interesting… I’ll actually have to agree with you on the androstenone thing. I’m white, but I’ll occasionally go with my black friends to one of their parties. I wish white people danced more at parties… it’d be so much more fun and less awkward meeting people. Instead, you have to weave through the obstacle course of drunken morons on the floor to get to your target and awkwardly start a conversation all while trying to drown out the (shudder) country music in the background. 🙄 I hadn’t been to a party with them in awhile since before I used [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). I’ll have to say normally whenever I go to black parties, the girls love me. I’ve never left a black party without at least a phone number, sometimes a whole girl. 😛 Maybe they like the fact that I’m unique at a black party? I dunno. This weekend was interesting, though. I moned up with a drop of A314, 3 sprays of spaceland, 3 of Instant honesty 2x, 2 sprays of The Edge (I normally get away with a lot of none, so this is usually not an OD level for me), and 2 sprays of MX157 (12.5 mcg per spray of p74 in ammo scent). The few white girls at the party loved it, but most of the black girls would have nothing to do with me… Very weird. I did get approached and asked to dance by one black girl (which was cool, cause I always have to do the approaching), but the rest of the night was met with many more rejections/awkwardness than usual. Strange, cause I was under the assumption that black girls would tolerate more -none, especially from a white guy… Maybe it was the ammo scent? White girls love the stuff, but I’ve never asked a black girl what she thinks of it… ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 8:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/6 "2007-11-15T08:11:25Z")
Well, let me add a bit to that. Androstenone, much like [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/), is amazing for me when i approach a Caucasian woman. I posted somewhere about one of my workout sessions where i got hard hits from both Caucasian and Asian women, which is not what i wouldve expected based on the comments here. Also, everyone should keep in mind that Latinos are effectively Caucasians who had ancestors that lived in more temperate climates…at least mostly. One of my testing buddies has this huge theory that comestible availability is different in hotter and more humid climates, which makes spices more common (as a food preservative) and also changes the pheromonal responses based on the types of things that are good/bad. Tater agrees that a womans diet is a huge clue on which pheros she will respond well to. Africans, followed by Asians would have the MOST evolved sense of smell and should have the most sensitivity to pheros. Interestingly enough, i get much harder hits with far lower dosages, with Africans and Asians, and the nuances seem to matter much more. Some of the posts on this forum also speak of over-the-top responses where Caucasians and Latinas respond more mildly. Im even wondering if the waves-of-illness effect caused by MX203 for some of my non-Caucasian friends and myself is because its way too much, while for the palest-skinned Caucasians, its at the high end of their range, but not an all out overload. I think Snook was also disappointed that MX203 wasnt as well received on medium-skinned to dark-skinned Latinas as you would think…possibly some relationship between melanin and response to one of the ingredients? Okay…Taters revealing too many deep thoughts, and this isnt even his journal thread. That deep thought was for free, but im going to bed now. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/7 "2007-11-15T08:16:50Z")
Okay…one more freebie… IFM, well-masked by a good fragrance may be all you need for Instant African/Black Magic. The fragrance choice is the most important thing and you need less IFM than you might think. A placebo doesnt work the same, but with African/Asian women, especially Redbone or Japanese, you really need to pay attention to your cover fragrance or youll cancel out everything. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 8:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/8 "2007-11-15T08:23:47Z")
Darn. Im really lucid right now, so id better put this somewhere. I got attention from Japanese women (moms and daughters) at the gym with insanely heavy androstenone and light dustings of Le Male (which has a heavy vanilla accent) and Hanae Mori (which has a lavender and vanilla, almost baby powder, clean kind of scent). That needs further thought. ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 9:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/9 "2007-11-15T09:14:55Z")
Hello to everybody, reading to the many posts I started to think about something. Probably it’s all wrong, but I’ll try telling it and see the answers (please don’t hit me!). First of all, I agree with Tater about the smell sense of some races, and also about the diet… But in a different way. - Smell sensitivity: I think that, maybe, people of some races aren’t actually more or less attracted to a certain phero, but maybe, people grew-up in a social environmet where people already have high/low NONE (for example) production, and, subconsciously, seeks for people with similar signature. If in the race X (by the way, I’m not racist, I’m just speculating) men produce high “Phero 1” (fantasy name), and in race Y men produce low “Phero 1”, maybe, the race X females would look for people with high “Phero 1” as a “male signature”. Otherwise, they’d feel that race Y men are “less male” and less “interesting” for a relationship… Again, female from the race Y could feel that men from race X have sronger “male signature”, but if Mr. race X adds some more NONE, it could feel for a Miss race Y a too strong and overbeating “male signature” and being dropped, for some, more approachable, race Y men. That’s the famous OD and also the “Ghost Effect” that I also experienced. - Food and Phero: I think that it’s possible that a certain diet brings a different composition of the sweat and other body fluids and I really think that, somehow, it could enhance or cover the effect of added pheros (I’ve not the competence of talking about the body self-production of pheros). Different diets coould also change the smell of the skin and with this, I believe interact with the Pheros too. That’s why I prefer the unscented Pheros. I also believe that the shade of the skin tone wouldn’t really be connected to the response to some pheros. I think that more than the skin tone, is the social backgroup where the “target” lives or grew up. It’s undoubtful that in some countries people are more open to meeting new people while others are more close. Other people grew up with some ideals as a good mate, while others may have the opposite (for example, where I live, men usually prefer blondies, while where my friend lives in north of Europe, say that they prefer brunettes). What I mean is, if a blonde girl prefer the “Tater kind” will take the hint of the [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/) more easily than a brunette that hasn’t the “Tater kind” as “ideal man” or maybe comes from a social backgroud where people are more “shy” on meeting new people. That’s what I think about the stronger of lesser responses to some Pheros. By the way as we often say, Pheros aren’t magical potions, and people still has the freedom to interact or less with the Phero source. Ok, that’s what I think about this topic, now I wait to know what do you think (again, please don’t hit me!), because I’m very curious. See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/10 "2007-11-15T13:54:55Z")
> [@runnerxvr](#): > > … > > - Food and Phero: I think that it’s possible that a certain diet brings a different composition of the sweat and other body fluids and I really think that, somehow, it could enhance or cover the effect of added pheros (I’ve not the competence of talking about the body self-production of pheros). Different diets coould also change the smell of the skin and with this, I believe interact with the Pheros too. That’s why I prefer the unscented Pheros. > > … Interesting speculation. For some people, diet will affect acne. It may be that diet indirectly affects the bacterial populations present on the skin, which may have an effect on how the pheromones develop/convert. ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 2:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/11 "2007-11-15T14:12:43Z")
Hello Gone With The Wind! You’re right, foods interact with all the body in both good and bad ways. By the way, the acne is due to the natural presence of histamine into the foods. More than that, I was thinking to the effect of garlic and the sweat. In fact, garlic is known to lower the cholesterol, but if you eat much of it, you’ll feel the smell of it on your skin. I suppose that the smelling substances are brought on the skin by sweat, that is the main way of the Pheros to be diffused. Somewhere I’ve also read that high fat diet lowers the typical male Pheros (that’s the NONE?), while proteins rise the production. Starting from these ideas, I just thought about the different eating styles around the world, and I thought on how the phero production and perception may change. Here I’m speculating, because I’ve no datas on it. But I believe that people that have a mainly vegetable-based diet, may have also a different production of Pheros, against those with higher intake of meat. As consequence, people could get used to a certain rate of Pheros. This could be one of the keys on why some people are more sensitive to certain Pheros than others. But I still think that the social background may be the master key. What do you think? See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 2:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/12 "2007-11-15T14:17:26Z")
I forgot to write that I also share your point of view about the bacterial population and migration. Bacteria population grows in places like armpits, where it sounds like (I’ve read an article about this long time ago) there is the stonger phero signature in people. Maybe your idea could be one of the key on how Pheros work… Bacteria, sweat, Pheros, fermentation… I should start thinking on it :-)!!! Anybody wants to go clubbing spraying some AMMO or some attractive/social Phero in the armpits? See Ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/13 "2007-11-15T19:57:18Z")
> [@runnerxvr](#): > > Anybody wants to go clubbing spraying some [AMMO](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or some attractive/social Phero in the armpits? Commonly known as “the pit trick”, you might want to search the LS archives for some discussion on this from some years ago.🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/14 "2007-11-16T09:50:03Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Commonly known as “the pit trick”, you might want to search the LS archives for some discussion on this from some years ago.🙄 I used it once - using Pure Instinct - and posted about it here this year too.. inspired by the LS posts too.. ---
**Author:** ![raceryan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/raceryan/32/1740_2.png) [@raceryan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/raceryan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 10:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-african-american-women-noob-request/6656/15 "2008-03-10T10:00:15Z")
Hey man, I go to 'House in Atlanta, and when at Clark or Spelman, I use Instant Open and/or [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), and it works decent. Now, considering you are in FL, where there is high humidity a lot, you may want to check some other factors like acid based pheros, but that is my .02…