# Attracting beta girls? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 26, 2009, 10:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008 "2009-07-26T10:48:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Caramello](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caramello/32/2412_2.png) [@Caramello](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caramello)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 10:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/1 "2009-07-26T10:48:40Z")
I’ve been reading a lot of reports of guys here getting hits of very gorgeous girls.That’s great. But seems that,with some mixes,the less dominant girls tend to back off. Since i love girls with a more innocent/bashful vibe, i’d like to know which [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) or combinations the more experienced guys already **field tested** with relevant sucess on **attracting** these girls in a way that they are **drawn** to you instead of **repelled** - either for getting **nervous** either for feeling **outclassed**. I need something that would make this type of girl treat you as a potential lover or boyfriend and being confortable with it. Attracting is great.But if she doesn’t feel confortable to stick around you can’t be a potential anything. 🙄 I feel i am,but i still hope i’m not asking much. 😃 Thanks. Cheers, Caramello ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 11:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/2 "2009-07-26T11:40:57Z")
Make sure the product has some androsterone in it like AMMO does and boost it up with some IH to drawn them out a bit. Just my 2 pennys. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 11:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/3 "2009-07-26T11:52:51Z")
Yeah, I reckon Renny is on the right track 🙂 I’d say go easy on -none, (stick to Ammo unless you’re in the bedroom), and go heavy on the socials to make the girls more chatty & comfortable… IH is a great choice, as would mixes with P74 be. A bit of TAA, A-nol or IS to brighten the overall mood 🙂 Oh, and how about a bit of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)? I bet that would be a great one 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ToBeOrNotToBe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@ToBeOrNotToBe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ToBeOrNotToBe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/4 "2009-07-26T13:05:37Z")
I don’t think backing off in -none application is the answer here. These ‘beta girls’ won’t necessarily respond less well to -none than the ‘alpha girls’. What happens is that they just won’t express their feelings/thoughts the way ‘alpha girls’ do. So, if you just stand there looking at them, you end up getting nothing. Your attitude is what will make a difference. You must put them confortable around you. While you can expect an alpha girl to approach you, you shouldn’t think likewise when beta girls are concerned. You must approach them in a friendly way and make them see that you’re a nice guy to hang out with after all and that you’re not outclassing them. This applies whether you’re using pheromones or not. I’ve been using A314 since I ordered it and I realise now this is pure gold if you do an effort to approach women… but it may be totally useless (and even make it harder for you to get hits) if you just expect them to talk to you (I’m just refering to attraction here, not pure professional goals). Ironic, but true… ---
**Author:** ![NigelG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@NigelG](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NigelG)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/5 "2009-07-26T13:29:36Z")
The last couple of girls I’ve been with have been in this category - I prefer being with 6-7s that I can have an interesting conversation with, rather than 8-9s that worry about which handbag to buy 🙂 (I’ve not suggesting ALL 8-9s are like this - just the ones I know.. 🙂 What works for me are heavy social phereos with a dash of something sexy. I go with CTTM2 (around 4 sprays) + Ammo or more recently [MX203](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx203/) or MX292, which are both fantastic for these types of girl. Once you start a conversation with a girl wearing these, they’ll end up just trailing you around 🙂 BTW, if you go more than a couple of dates, TUTH seems to switch on the ‘crazy uninhibited sex drive’ switch for these girls - they’re so happy you noticed them, they’ll do anything!! So much fun 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/6 "2009-07-26T13:54:42Z")
My thoughts on -none and shyer women is that they do respond even better than their more outgoing counterparts. That’s why I don’t think one needs as much to get things started. Socials, both the [pheromone](https://a314.com/) type and the skills type, are the key. I’m like Nigel though, once the ice has melted…TUTH is crazy. Just don’t rush in with it. ---
**Author:** ![Caramello](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caramello/32/2412_2.png) [@Caramello](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caramello)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/7 "2009-07-26T19:20:02Z")
Awesome answers! I’m probably gonna try [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) + Instant Shine + something with -none(probably a bit of Alpha-7,which also contains a bit of -rone) as soon as my orders arrive. Thanks 🙂 Cheers, Caramello ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/8 "2009-07-26T19:34:57Z")
> [@NigelG](#): > > The last couple of girls I’ve been with have been in this category - I prefer being with 6-7s that I can have an interesting conversation with, rather than 8-9s that worry about which handbag to buy 🙂 Personally I prefer 69 girls although 96 isn’t bad if I don’t feel like I’m being warerboarded. Incidentally, almost all women love purses. Has nothing to do with their age, ethnic origin or appearance. I find less attractive women tend to be more obsessed with their appearance than more attractive women. After all, naturally attractive women have already got it going on and don’t have to work at it. So they work on other aspects of their life. It’s just that guys are fooled and blinded by their physical appearance and don’t noticed much beyond that. ---
**Author:** ![Caramello](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caramello/32/2412_2.png) [@Caramello](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caramello)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/9 "2009-07-26T20:45:48Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Personally I prefer 69 girls although 96 isn’t bad if I don’t feel like I’m being warerboarded. > > Incidentally, almost all women love purses. Has nothing to do with their age, ethnic origin or appearance. > > I find less attractive women tend to be more obsessed with their appearance than more attractive women. After all, naturally attractive women have already got it going on and don’t have to work at it. So they work on other aspects of their life. It’s just that guys are fooled and blinded by their physical appearance and don’t noticed much beyond that. Most i met rely on looks for almost everything and end up not working on other aspects.Life is pretty easy for a 9-10 on looks scale. 69 girls aren’t bad tough 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/10 "2009-07-26T22:18:34Z")
> [@Caramello](#): > > Most i met rely on looks for almost everything and end up not working on other aspects.Life is pretty easy for a 9-10 on looks scale. I guess if you’re 19 and daddy is still paying the bills. Eventually she’ll have to get the skills and education to complement her physical appearance and keep herself in the style she’s used to. I suspect most guys confuse nice clothing, makeup and a toned body with natural beauty. These girls are not naturally beautiful and had to work damn hard to look the way they do. A naturally beautiful woman doesn’t have to work at it much–other than stay healthy–and would look hot in a rice bag with no makeup. I’ve known many naturally beautiful women whom were career minded workaholics. On the other hand, her lessor endowed sisters evolved to bimbo status due to an obsession with tweaking their less than perfect appearance, often to the exclusion of all else of substance in life. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/11 "2009-07-27T02:11:02Z")
[Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) with Instant Openness and Instant Shine. Best things I’ve ever seen to get the shy ones to open up. Actually, MX116 also does that. Once they do and they feel comfortable around you, Meo-Est with P83 and TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/12 "2009-07-27T16:39:12Z")
Meo-Est, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Honesty, Instant Shine, androsterone, androstenone, P83, P74 and some TAH and TAL. I’d wear something like this… 25 mcg Meo-Est (will calm and relax you and her - need a lot more than this for very fast effects though; I haven’t tested more yet) 10 mcg alpha nol (open her up socially, make her comfortable talking) 5 mcg beta nol (make her feel more comfortable with you and a bit more willing to act on the truth) 10 mcg androstenone (more none than I usually suggest, but it’s well buffered several ways here; primary masculine/sexual) 7.5 mcg androsterone (another masculine; helps steer her perception of you by balancing the none) 20 mcg P83 (sexy/touchy/erotic/do it now response) 15 mcg P74 (androstedienone replacement, socializer, calmative) 5 mcg TAL (make her more confident and forthright, and make you seem more well rounded) 5 mcg TAH (make her feel sexy and kittenish… when a woman feels sexy, she thinks sexy and acts sexy) That should do some nice things with the Beta girls… just make sure you buffer our high doses of none well, or they can frighten the Betas. ---
**Author:** ![Caramello](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caramello/32/2412_2.png) [@Caramello](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caramello)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/13 "2009-07-27T18:45:12Z")
Wow,seems like a solid mix. I might try to make my own mixes soon and this base will definetely help,thanks 😃 > [@catlord17](#): > > Meo-Est, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Instant Shine, androsterone, androstenone, P83, P74 and some TAH and TAL. I’d wear something like this… > > 25 mcg Meo-Est (will calm and relax you and her - need a lot more than this for very fast effects though; I haven’t tested more yet) > 10 mcg alpha nol (open her up socially, make her comfortable talking) > 5 mcg beta nol (make her feel more comfortable with you and a bit more willing to act on the truth) > 10 mcg androstenone (more none than I usually suggest, but it’s well buffered several ways here; primary masculine/sexual) > 7.5 mcg androsterone (another masculine; helps steer her perception of you by balancing the none) > 20 mcg P83 (sexy/touchy/erotic/do it now response) > 15 mcg P74 (androstedienone replacement, socializer, calmative) > 5 mcg TAL (make her more confident and forthright, and make you seem more well rounded) > 5 mcg TAH (make her feel sexy and kittenish… when a woman feels sexy, she thinks sexy and acts sexy) > > That should do some nice things with the Beta girls… just make sure you buffer our high doses of none well, or they can frighten the Betas. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/14 "2009-07-27T22:13:03Z")
Beta girls are my type too. I find for the most part beta girl are attracted to exactly the same pheromones as alpha girls - they actually appear more receptive. A combo of Ammo, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), Instant shine and either IO or IH is your best bet in my opinion. My girlfriend is a cute little beta and I found the downside to Ammo (the upside was that she was ridiculously attracted) was that the anone made her quite quiet. I made a thread about it here: > [@None and quietness.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/none-and-quietness/28075): > > Been wearing [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) ([https://a314.com/product/ammo/](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) for a year now and never had this problem until very recently where I’ve met this one girl who is normally quite outspoken but becomes very quiet around me (and [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) ). I don’t know about uncomfortable but definitely quite and shy. I combo the [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) heavily with [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) 's, A1 and [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) , yet I still get the quietness. We’ve ‘done stuff’, so she’s attracted, it’s just getting her to build comfort with me which I’m struggling with. Anyone else … I wasn’t able to rectify this with different pheromones. I did however manage to solve this by qualifying her more and doing more comfort with her. I also made a thread about that: > [@Under Qualified](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/under-qualified/28847): > > This is something I’ve learnt and I thought I’d share. To some this may be common sense obvious but for others, myself included, this has been some what a recent realization. It’s about qualification, and it’s something I’ve always done naturally but not enough. I’ve never had to do enough of it before, but at present I’m at the start of an exclusive relationship, potentially long-term, and the reason it didn’t happen a week or two sooner was because of the girl feeling under-qualified. I’ve ‘s… To summarise: There is no need to change your pheromone approach with betas, but you will have to learn to treat them differently. I find you have to lead the interaction much more with beta girls than with alphas. > [@](#): > > 5 mcg TAL (make her more confident and forthright, and make you seem more well rounded) > 5 mcg TAH (make her feel sexy and kittenish… when a woman feels sexy, she thinks sexy and acts sexy) Catlord, I’d love to pick your brain on TAL and TAH. I’m finding them tricky little molecules to implement into my mixes and I know you have a good understanding on them. What’s the secret? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/15 "2009-07-27T22:58:28Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > Catlord, I’d love to pick your brain on TAL and TAH. I’m finding them tricky little molecules to implement into my mixes and I know you have a good understanding on them. What’s the secret? 😃 Simple. Learn to paint with exotic colors by mastering each color by itself. Once you understand each “color”, you should be able to figure out, for the most part, how they interact. Then… play! What kind of problems are you having? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/16 "2009-07-27T23:00:46Z")
Sound advice from the meow man! True too, always (obviously) good to try everything by itself first. Just takes some real close attention depending on the “color.” > [@catlord17](#): > > Simple. Learn to paint with exotic colors by mastering each color by itself. > > Once you understand each “color”, you should be able to figure out, for the most part, how they interact. Then… play! ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/17 "2009-07-28T00:11:43Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Simple. Learn to paint with exotic colors by mastering each color by itself. > > Once you understand each “color”, you should be able to figure out, for the most part, how they interact. Then… play! What kind of problems are you having? I’ve tried TAL quite extensively on its own. Between 2.5 and 10mcg. I’m finding when I add it too a mix its either too much or too little. Either way it feels to be very distracting from other molecules within the mix. ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/18 "2009-07-28T02:32:16Z")
Couple IFM with TAL, I received some really crazy results doing that, and I didn’t even mean to 😮🆒 Here is a report I wrote on it, be warned, it’s extremely long, but it has alot of helpful info in it. > [@Domnk's Journal - Pheromone Treks](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/domnks-journal-pheromone-treks/27394/112): > > Yesterday was really fun! I got some really great reactions from my two mixes from many, all of which were very interesting! The hits were very involved, and when that happens I like to write it out, so you all can understand what was really going on. It’s very difficult to describe the ambiance of everything when writing like this, so I suggest reading the Effects from mixing with other products section before reading the actual report, makes it easier to understand. IFM-TAL - Ammo-IOpeness Re… You might want to try substituting the IFM with Androstadienone, from LS. M,L, Dominick ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-beta-girls/31008/19 "2009-07-29T02:23:19Z")
> [@Domnk](#): > > Couple IFM with TAL, I received some really crazy results doing that, and I didn’t even mean to 😮🆒 > > Here is a report I wrote on it, be warned, it’s extremely long, but it has alot of helpful info in it. > > [Domnk's Journal - Pheromone Treks - #112 by Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/domnks-journal-pheromone-treks/27394/112) > > You might want to try substituting the IFM with Androstadienone, from LS. > > M,L, > Dominick Tease. 😃 Some of us aren’t blessed with a stash of IFM. I’ll have to stick with MX116, Meo-Est and [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/).