# Attracting the WRONG crowd! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 14, 2010, 5:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799 "2010-08-14T05:45:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 5:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/1 "2010-08-14T05:45:13Z")
I find this frustrating. I admit, I haven’t really used my mones when going out to a club or bar or party or any place with a lot of women. But I’ve mainly been testing them at the gym, and what I’m finding is that I’m getting no reactions from women (other than me going out of my way to say hi to them JUST because I know I have mones on (IS, IO, CTTM)). 1. I used to talk to this man in his late 40s after I’d finish my workout. Before mones, he’d just go off for about 20 minutes. The day I started using mones, he kept me there talking for over 100 minutes. I knew it was the mones, and I knew I couldn’t escape. 2. This even older man, must be in his mid 70s, just used to say hi to me at the gym, maybe at most talk for 3 or 4 minutes. It was nice. After mones, he stops me whenever I pass him, and talks for an eternity. I have to try to inch away bit by bit. 3. My gym buddy, whom I often work out with, he used to half-kiddingly make fun of me or insult me before mones, but now he has stopped completely. I don’t know if this has to do with the mones, or because he recently got heartbroken and needs all the social support he can get. But if it’s the mones, I’m not wearing any status heightening ones, so I don’t know what’s making him respect me more now. 4. Random guys just start conversations with me now. I’ve had a few acquaintances in the gym before, just say hi kind of thing. But I notice ‘hi’ turns into long conversations now. I’ve also noticed that these same acquaintances, just walk up to me in between their sets now to talk, when they have never done this before. 5. The WOMEN: I just made another thread asking for advice on gaming this one woman, but other than her, I don’t think my mones have had any effect. I’m just attracting all the GUYS! It’s making my workouts longer and it’s not getting me closer to sex so it’s pointless… I’m thinking about stopping using mones for the gym now, but I feel that’ll be the day I see that girl I want there… ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/2 "2010-08-14T06:06:35Z")
start adding some anone to your mix.. right now you are using pure socials… say use IJ (though not recommended for gym) would be enough to get the oldies and men scampering for cover. and may be there would be a chick who digs bad guys.. who would take a liking to you ---
**Author:** ![Gh0st](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gh0st/32/1604_2.png) [@Gh0st](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gh0st)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/3 "2010-08-14T06:08:48Z")
Hmm ok so IG and IO would be [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/), what if combined with a drop or 2 with A314? ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/4 "2010-08-14T06:17:00Z")
i have TUTH 2x and some [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/), no A314 yet. I remember I tried MX297 once (replacing CTTM) along with IO and IS, and I noticed I talked to a lot less people that day. Even got IGNORED by an acquaintance. Maybe will try MX297 with an extra spray of IO… only using one spray of each now (paranoid about using up all my mones) ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 7:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/5 "2010-08-14T07:21:37Z")
actually, IG is not really social, and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) does have status enhancing ability. The more charismatic , sociable and likable (shine) probably means the higher social status 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 11:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/6 "2010-08-14T11:55:08Z")
How old are you and what is your personality like? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/7 "2010-08-14T16:32:54Z")
> [@masu](#): > > I find this frustrating. I admit, I haven’t really used my mones when going out to a club or bar or party or any place with a lot of women. But I’ve mainly been testing them at the gym, and what I’m finding is that I’m getting no reactions from women (other than me going out of my way to say hi to them JUST because I know I have mones on (IS, IO, CTTM)). > > 1. I used to talk to this man in his late 40s after I’d finish my workout. Before mones, he’d just go off for about 20 minutes. The day I started using mones, he kept me there talking for over 100 minutes. I knew it was the mones, and I knew I couldn’t escape. > > 2. This even older man, must be in his mid 70s, just used to say hi to me at the gym, maybe at most talk for 3 or 4 minutes. It was nice. After mones, he stops me whenever I pass him, and talks for an eternity. I have to try to inch away bit by bit. > > 3. My gym buddy, whom I often work out with, he used to half-kiddingly make fun of me or insult me before mones, but now he has stopped completely. I don’t know if this has to do with the mones, or because he recently got heartbroken and needs all the social support he can get. But if it’s the mones, I’m not wearing any status heightening ones, so I don’t know what’s making him respect me more now. > > 4. Random guys just start conversations with me now. I’ve had a few acquaintances in the gym before, just say hi kind of thing. But I notice ‘hi’ turns into long conversations now. I’ve also noticed that these same acquaintances, just walk up to me in between their sets now to talk, when they have never done this before. > > 5. The WOMEN: I just made another thread asking for advice on gaming this one woman, but other than her, I don’t think my mones have had any effect. I’m just attracting all the GUYS! > > It’s making my workouts longer and it’s not getting me closer to sex so it’s pointless… I’m thinking about stopping using mones for the gym now, but I feel that’ll be the day I see that girl I want there… Women, at least the ones in my gym, don’t wear makeup, don’t have their hair done, their sweating, and aren’t in the mood to get picked up. If she’s wearing makeup, then she’s probably not there to work out. IS IO and CTTM: IO and CTTM have a high Androstenol content. IO is about 70% alpha and 30% beta, and CTTM is supposed to have half and half from what I’m reading, but regardless you have a pheromone there that’s conducive for people to open up and talk to you, heck since the name [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Come Talk To Me, what did you reallly expect. I’ve tried every mix and combination out there at the gym, I’ve gone from the IG + MX301, to the MX297 + Putatives, to Instant Jerk, to AMMO, to A314, it really proves that the gym isn’t where you pick women up. Now IME to talk to a girl at the gym is simple, if you like the girl you think she’s cute, make sure you start with small interactions with her. Eye contact first, and don’t stare like a creeper. Then occasionally smile, then say hi. Leave it at hi and go do your workout, don’t stop, converse, the “creeper” alarm goes off. She’s still going to have her guard up at that point. After two weeks of saying hi, just stop by and make small talk, “have you checked out any of the classes” (It helps if you’ve taken a couple so you have something to go on) Side note: When you really want to talk to this girl you’re going to have to make this effort. If you’re just looking to have sex with her then, heck why do all this. But take some of the classes, get to know more and more people at the gym. This elevates your social status within the place and makes you desirable all at once. So when you’re back talking to her you have some sort of substance about you. You have a very small margin of error not to fuck it up, you really have to convince her whether she’s going to have some interest in you almost immediately, once she does then go for a “gym date” run in the park, check out a class together, grab food afterwards. Then after that just go into what you gotta do. I do things different, and its not how others do it but that’s how my personality is and it works for me. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/8 "2010-08-14T18:37:35Z")
JW: I am mid-20s and have a fun personality when talking to guys, but nothing too loud or over the top. I am more of a listener when I’m with guys, as I don’t like revealing too much about myself, but I think I’m extremely clever and come up with great one liners and interjections when I’m being talked too. With women, I talk a bit more, use the one liners, but try to make it more sexual, at least something to show I’m interested in some way. Mustang: I think I’m on the right track with this girl. I’ve said hi to her once on the way out and ‘hi how are u’ while passing her in the gym. I’ll try what Radman suggested in the other thread next week if I can get her alone, so that she gets a whiff of my mones. I think two times of just saying hi is enough before I move in for more. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/9 "2010-08-14T20:47:09Z")
I’m gonna have to agree with the group in this post that say you need to add some none to your arsenal. In my IO testing this week, while it did cause people to be open and friendly with me, I think it also made me look too beta, and people actually took advantage of that. Your signature might be coming across as a bit too feminine with all those socials, you need to amp it up a bit. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/10 "2010-08-14T20:51:12Z")
Gentleman, I know what you mean. I only have TUTH 2x which I’m scared may be too strong, still waiting for my AMMO in the mail, been almost 2 weeks and nothing. I have some [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/)… but I have NO IDEA what it does or what mones it contains. At first I thought it was a status heightener… but I don’t know. I did notice less people talk to me when I wore it though ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/11 "2010-08-14T20:55:15Z")
> [@masu](#): > > Gentleman, I know what you mean. I only have TUTH 2x which I’m scared may be too strong, still waiting for my AMMO in the mail, been almost 2 weeks and nothing. > > I have some MX297… but I have NO IDEA what it does or what mones it contains. At first I thought it was a status heightener… but I don’t know. I did notice less people talk to me when I wore it though MX347 is the spray version of A314 I do believe. So it is a bit cheaper than the $109, and being a young guy not needing as much -none you should be able to make that last a bit. Good luck on landing the girl. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/12 "2010-08-14T21:08:40Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > MX347 is the spray version of A314 I do believe. So it is a bit cheaper than the $109, and being a young guy not needing as much -none you should be able to make that last a bit. > > Good luck on landing the girl. Always good advice from you TG. But the technicals are a little off. MX347 is the spray version of A314. It is however an AndrostERONE product not AndrostENONE. Typically younger guys need more AndrostERONE than the older guys because they produce enough. A314, if affordable should be your go to product. I recommend it to everyone just because of how much easier its helped me. Not just with work but overall life in general. It’s not a miracle product but it sure helps when you’re trying to improve yourself constantly. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/13 "2010-08-14T21:11:30Z")
wait… so what does [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) do? that’s the one i have, not 347 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/14 "2010-08-14T21:12:59Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Always good advice from you TG. > > But the technicals are a little off. > > MX347 is the spray version of A314. It is however an AndrostERONE product not AndrostENONE. > > Typically younger guys need more AndrostERONE than the older guys because they produce enough. > > A314, if affordable should be your go to product. I recommend it to everyone just because of how much easier its helped me. Not just with work but overall life in general. It’s not a miracle product but it sure helps when you’re trying to improve yourself constantly. Thanks Mustang! Still learning here and I do appreciate you guys sharing your knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/15 "2010-08-14T21:18:18Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Thanks Mustang! Still learning here and I do appreciate you guys sharing your knowledge. TG here you go, this helped me when I first started. > [@Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159): > > Ok. Feel free to correct any errors I may have made. This took forever to write, so I hope you like it. Chapter 1 Alpha Androstenone: In the forum this is commonly referred to as –none or none. It is a hormone produced in men and women’s sweat. (significantly less if women) “Androstenone is the first mammalian pheromone to be identified.” ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone)) Androstenone has the ability to cause arousal in women during their ovulation. It also has the ability cause irr… ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/16 "2010-08-14T21:47:05Z")
Thanks Mustang, I love threads like that where I can classify everything, and have a better idea on when to use what. Still though, I didn’t find [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) in there, and am still clueless about what mones it contains and what it does exactly. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/17 "2010-08-14T21:50:50Z")
> [@masu](#): > > Thanks Mustang, I love threads like that where I can classify everything, and have a better idea on when to use what. Still though, I didn’t find MX297 in there, and am still clueless about what mones it contains and what it does exactly. The MX’s aren’t consumer products. No one knows what’s in them except MX301 because Steve published the [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) that are in there. MX297 for me IME have been so far that I can tell from the Instant Line have been: Androsterone, Beta Nol, P78. It probably has some of the TA series molecules in there but I’m not well versed on those. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/18 "2010-08-14T23:02:50Z")
[MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) by most user feedback and my own personal experience is similar to A314 but is less intimidating, more fun and a bit more attractive sexually. If A314 is a powerful CEO, MX297 is the flashy rockstar or movie star. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/19 "2010-08-16T18:49:31Z")
Ok so I added [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) to the mix yesterday and noticed my convos at the gym were just perfect. It’s as if people instinctively knew when I was getting fed up of convo and happily broke if off. These were all the same guys who kept me talking for hours in total before MX297. ---
**Author:** ![Mongo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mongo/32/2034_2.png) [@Mongo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mongo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799/20 "2010-08-16T20:33:32Z")
Gyms for working out! Dont pay for membership to chat! Spend all that time you say your wasting doing cold approaches in cafes or something! [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/attracting-the-wrong-crowd/40799.md?page=2)