# Awesome Results using Pre-Release Dirty **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 17, 2006, 3:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906 "2006-11-17T15:15:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/121 "2007-01-08T01:13:03Z")
> [@hlw3](#): > > Ladies, > > I’ve been trying to get a conceptual handle on some of the discussion here. > > The results you are experiencing with the mixture of androstenone and copulins may be understood as two interacting factors. The presence of the copulins indicates fertility, and indicates to males that you are ready to be impregnated. **The androstenone might be interpreted as the lingering chemical signature of a rival who has been in close physical contact with the fertile female.** If the male is in a continuing relationship with the female the presence of the rival’s scent could lead to the aggressive behavior noted. > > **possibly, although women make androstenone, too. Similar arguments have been made against men wearing copulins (which only women make).** > > While this may be fun, it may also have psychological drawbacks, if it leads a partner to unconscious or conscious suspicions of infidelity. It may be wise to let long-term partners know what you are doing with artificial chemicals, so such suspicions of infidelity could be nipped in the bud before they blossomed into serious relationship problems. > > I may be completely off base here, but these ideas did cross my mind and I think they bear consideration. If a woman has an especially jealous lover, this might be relevant. On the other hand, if you’ve been in a stable monogamous relationship for a long time, a little rivalry (real or imagined) is not a bad thing - it can serve to wake up a complacent partner. My husband knows about the pheromones, but if I were dating or with a new partner, I would feel no need to disclose, unless the nature of the relationship warranted it (and I really dislike jealous/possessive attitudes, so that in itself would be a bad match for me). ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2007, 2:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/122 "2007-01-08T14:25:17Z")
I extend my apologies for my previous post. Apparently someone found it a bit presumptuous and offensive, and dinged me rep points for it. Indeed as the commentor privately noted, most everyone on this board is more experienced in these matters than myself. My cogitations on these matters have little value, and should be taken for what they are worth. Perhaps interesting curiosities. ---
**Author:** ![ilsa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ilsa/32/1552_2.png) [@ilsa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ilsa)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/123 "2007-01-08T15:30:37Z")
> [@hlw3](#): > > I extend my apologies for my previous post. Apparently someone found it a bit presumptuous and offensive, and dinged me rep points for it. > > Indeed as the commentor privately noted, most everyone on this board is more experienced in these matters than myself. My cogitations on these matters have little value, and should be taken for what they are worth. Perhaps interesting curiosities. HLW3, welcome to the forum! I speak for most people here when I say that we appreciate and enjoy thoughtful and insightful people here. Your insights are very much appreciated, whether you are wrong or right, we are all learning from each other. ---
**Author:** ![thenoser](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thenoser/32/2199_2.png) [@thenoser](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thenoser)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/124 "2007-01-08T18:11:57Z")
> [@hlw3](#): > > I extend my apologies for my previous post. Apparently someone found it a bit presumptuous and offensive, and dinged me rep points for it. > > Indeed as the commentor privately noted, most everyone on this board is more experienced in these matters than myself. My cogitations on these matters have little value, and should be taken for what they are worth. Perhaps interesting curiosities. ? i don’t get it. there was nothing in your previous post that could be taken as offensive. please don’t let something as simple as this keep you from posting or having an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/125 "2007-01-08T18:24:14Z")
hlw3, I didn’t find anything offensive or presumptuous about your post. A concern occurred to you, and you voiced it very thoughtfully. Nothing wrong with that! There is a lot of speculation that goes on in this forum, and sometimes that takes us interesting places, yet I find the most useful information comes out of experience in the field. Some of that gets reported in a very bare-bones way, some in highly dramatic narrative serialized over a period of months, and some with a lot of theorizing or embedded suggestion served as a side dish. There’s room for everybody here, and I hope you’ll stay and play! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2007, 8:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/126 "2007-01-08T20:03:07Z")
> [@hlw3](#): > > I extend my apologies for my previous post. Apparently someone found it a bit presumptuous and offensive, and dinged me rep points for it. > > Indeed as the commentor privately noted, most everyone on this board is more experienced in these matters than myself. My cogitations on these matters have little value, and should be taken for what they are worth. Perhaps interesting curiosities. is there the possibilty there was a mistake? i thought your insight was fabulous! i think you ought to have recieved points for that,not had them taken away. im thinking there was a mistake there.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![countesszero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/countesszero/32/1392_2.png) [@countesszero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/countesszero)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2007, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/127 "2007-01-08T23:42:49Z")
> [@ilsa](#): > > HLW3, welcome to the forum! I speak for most people here when I say that we appreciate and enjoy thoughtful and insightful people here. Your insights are very much appreciated, whether you are wrong or right, we are all learning from each other. Ilsa you’ve again taken the words right out of my mouth. Welcome to the forum hlw3. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2007, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/128 "2007-01-09T02:12:21Z")
Thanks you all for the understanding! Sometimes it is difficult to communicate over the internet, and misunderstandings are easy when tones, expresions, and mannerisms are absent. > [@Carrie](#): > > **possibly, although women make \*\*androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/))**, too. Similar arguments have been made against men wearing copulins (which only women make). \*\* > [@Carrie](#): > > There is a lot of speculation that goes on in this forum, and sometimes that takes us interesting places, yet I find the most useful information comes out of experience in the field. Yes. My limited experience is from the male viewpoint. I’ve used a pheremone product that had behavoiral effects. I noted “jealousy” effects similar to what I’ve described in a long-term female partner, and this was definitely different from the effects noted on other females. That is part of what sparked my thoughts in this thread. Of course, a sample size of one is not particularly convincing to anyone. However, this thread got me to thinking about the possible mechanisims of such “jealousy” effects. It is also possible to speculate on the differences in possesiveness and/or agression between the sexes, and possible stronger or weaker mechanisms depending on whether one is male or female, but I suspect that would really be an emotionally loaded subject. Also, a partner with a long association with a mate’s signature may be somewhat disturbed or puzzled by any change in that signature. Maybe not. But it is a possibility I intend to be aware of. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2007, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/129 "2007-01-09T02:32:40Z")
> [@hlw3](#): > > Yes. My limited experience is from the male viewpoint. I’ve used a pheremone product that had behavoiral effects. I noted “jealousy” effects similar to what I’ve described in a long-term female partner, and this was definitely different from the effects noted on other females. That is part of what sparked my thoughts in this thread. > > which product was it that had that effect? > > Of course, **a sample size of one is not particularly convincing to anyone.** However, this thread got me to thinking about the possible mechanisims of such “jealousy” effects. > > sometimes a sample size of one is all you’ve got - your voice still gets added to all the other voices … > > It is also possible to speculate on the differences in possesiveness and/or agression between the sexes, and possible stronger or weaker mechanisms depending on whether one is male or female, but I suspect that would really be an emotionally loaded subject. > > Also, **a partner with a long association with a mate’s signature may be somewhat disturbed or puzzled by any change in that signature.** Maybe not. But it is a possibility I intend to be aware of. Yes! That’s something I’ve thought about too. But even though my husband says he prefers my natural scent over any fragrance or pheromone, I’ve noticed that he responds strongly positively to certain pheros (lightly dosed copulins, MX105, MX138 and MX140, for example) even when he doesn’t consciously smell them. He’s remarked about it being my scent, or the scent of my breath, that is wonderful to him, those times. Or maybe the sex at those times is just especially intense and mindblowing and he doesn’t question why. So maybe when the pheromonal enhancement isn’t too far off from your own natural signature, it just feels like a really good day, or night … or maybe a man (or a woman) likes the little fantasy of a different lover now and then (or just a lover who’s somehow different, or especially hot, tonight). ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2007, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/130 "2007-01-09T03:09:35Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > which product was it that had that effect? Athena 10x - at approx 8x normal concentration. ---
**Author:** ![dolly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dolly/32/1591_2.png) [@dolly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dolly)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2007, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/131 "2007-01-09T03:31:15Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > But even though my husband says he prefers my natural scent over any fragrance or pheromone, I’ve noticed that he responds strongly positively to certain pheros (lightly dosed copulins, MX105, MX138 and MX140, for example) even when he doesn’t consciously smell them. He’s remarked about it being my scent, or the scent of my breath, that is wonderful to him, those times. > > So maybe when the pheromonal enhancement isn’t too far off from your own natural signature, it just feels like a really good day, or night … This is interesting. A couple of months ago, in some of my tests on TAL, I was wearing a couple of very light dabs of Essence of Woman on my neck, covered with only neroli-scented TAL. I have always liked the neroli scent, and I can usually smell it on myself even hours after application. Well, one of my male “friends” immediately stated that I “smelled good”. The other one’s reaction was quite strange to me, until I read your post, Carrie. He gave me a hug and I noticed that he inhaled as he did, so I asked him how he liked my new cologne. He stated that he couldn’t smell it so much, but could “taste” it, and that it was very sexy. I know he didn’t literally taste it, because he wasn’t licking me or anything (at least not at that point…😮 ). Maybe it was just that the EW and TAL blended well with my natural signature (that he was familiar with), and therefore it was undetectable to him. Hmmmmm, interesting thought…🙄 ---
**Author:** ![plainjane9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e68b1a/32.png) [@plainjane9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/plainjane9)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/132 "2007-01-17T01:24:11Z")
How do I order pre release dirty? what’s its technical name? ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/133 "2007-01-17T01:40:28Z")
> [@plainjane9](#): > > How do I order pre release dirty? what’s its technical name? Don’t see it in store anymore. May have been pulled, darn it. . ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/134 "2007-01-17T01:56:44Z")
No, it’s still there, under oils. Good stuff! [PRE RELEASE Dirty (Sexual Pheromone Oil with copulins) for Men :: Pheromone Oil (Slow Release) :: Androtics Direct/SmartMones](https://a314.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/135 "2007-01-17T02:07:11Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > No, it’s still there, under oils. Good stuff! > > [PRE RELEASE Dirty (Sexual Pheromone Oil with copulins) for Men :: Pheromone Oil (Slow Release) :: Androtics Direct/SmartMones](https://a314.com/) Whew! :o Good! 🙂 Getting ready for my Big Annual Pheromone Order (as opposed to the Many Small Pheromone Orders…). Need something “dangerous” to play with this year. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![countesszero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/countesszero/32/1392_2.png) [@countesszero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/countesszero)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/136 "2007-01-17T14:14:11Z")
A little danger can be a good thing. Especially when you want to keep relationships interesting. ---
**Author:** ![plainjane9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e68b1a/32.png) [@plainjane9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/plainjane9)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/137 "2007-01-17T16:20:35Z")
My marriage could certainly use the uplift pre-release dirty can bring. My husband is on an antidepressant that quelches his sex drive. I’m on an antidepressant that raises mine so what do we do I’m alone in my misery while he watches TV. Well no more, I’m ordering Dirty and [instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) and will test small doses until I get results. I also intend to wear Dirty with Spaceland, if I can find it to work incase one of the hunks there want to engage in a little extramarital fling. Hey whatever works, I’m ravenous.😮 ---
**Author:** ![countesszero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/countesszero/32/1392_2.png) [@countesszero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/countesszero)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/138 "2007-01-17T18:43:14Z")
I think the mones will work just fine. Please keep us posted and stay positive.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guardian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/49beb7/32.png) [@Guardian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Guardian)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/139 "2007-01-17T20:58:36Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > Ummmm..I’m a bit leery here, Countess. > > I would LOVE to think I can try this, but as you know, I NEVER use any products designed for men, and the unpredictability of using -none is a bit daunting for me.. > > Might buy it just before Christmas though, I’ll see how it goes. > > You have never steered me wrong yet, after all. ^\_~ > > Ail 🙂 Ali: Did you but it for christmas and try it yet? Please let me know… Guardian ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906/140 "2007-01-18T21:08:41Z")
Have any ‘Dirty’ users (😃) tried [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) instead? I would love to know how they differ in there effects on men/women worn by women/men. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906.md?page=6) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/awesome-results-using-pre-release-dirty/906.md?page=8)