# Backfire: what if the girl smells your -mones and chats your friend up instead? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/backfire-what-if-the-girl-smells-your-mones-and-chats-your-friend-up-instead/31173 "2009-07-31T21:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![onthornsilay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/onthornsilay/32/1427_2.png) [@onthornsilay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/onthornsilay)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/backfire-what-if-the-girl-smells-your-mones-and-chats-your-friend-up-instead/31173/1 "2009-07-31T21:57:27Z")
omg, right… i have bought some sprays, now let’s create a situation here. i spray instant shine/ammo/honesty whatever and then i go to the club, and of course the desired effect would be to charm the ladies with an ice breaker and make them feel comfortable and stuff and maybe they will talk to you but the problem is: what if you are in a packed bar with your friend and the girl can smell your -mones and it makes her relaxed enough to chat YOUR friend up? shes meant to go for you but instead she has gone for your friend, and they end up together… 😮 ---
**Author:** ![AlphaE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8491ac/32.png) [@AlphaE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlphaE)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/backfire-what-if-the-girl-smells-your-mones-and-chats-your-friend-up-instead/31173/2 "2009-07-31T22:05:36Z")
> [@onthornsilay](#): > > omg, right… > > i have bought some sprays, now let’s create a situation here. > > i spray instant shine/ammo/honesty whatever and then i go to the club, and of course the desired effect would be to charm the ladies with an ice breaker and make them feel comfortable and stuff and maybe they will talk to you but the problem is: > > what if you are in a packed bar with your friend and the girl can smell your -mones and it makes her relaxed enough to chat YOUR friend up? shes meant to go for you but instead she has gone for your friend, and they end up together… 😮 That means you became the beta male in the situation because your friend was the aggressor, smells can only get you so far 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/backfire-what-if-the-girl-smells-your-mones-and-chats-your-friend-up-instead/31173/3 "2009-07-31T22:28:19Z")
I’m sure someone else can answer better than me, but I had a similar question about this and was refered to a few threads. Generally speaking, from what i read people can ‘smell the scent’ coming from you, much like you can tell who smells of BO - so unless your friend was standing in front of you, blocking you out they cant really leech from your [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). Funnily enough, I usually get a lot of possitives with the cologne i wear, i.e. joop - they seem to be able to find out it’s me wearing it which is the whole purpose of the stuff incomparison to a room scent! Pheromones should be no differernt. Body language is bliss, so move locations slightly and see if she moves her body in respect to you. If she ignored you, you could consider the possibility of a OD and you simply becoming ‘invisible’ and your friend charmed her naturally! lol ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/backfire-what-if-the-girl-smells-your-mones-and-chats-your-friend-up-instead/31173/4 "2009-08-01T00:02:48Z")
> [@onthornsilay](#): > > omg, right… > > i have bought some sprays, now let’s create a situation here. > > i spray instant shine/ammo/honesty whatever and then i go to the club, and of course the desired effect would be to charm the ladies with an ice breaker and make them feel comfortable and stuff and **maybe they will talk to you** but the problem is: > > what if you are in a packed bar with your friend and the girl can smell your -mones and it makes her relaxed **enough to chat YOUR friend up? shes meant to go for you but instead she has gone for your friend** , and they end up together… 😮 the problems (imo) are bolded. essentially they mean (still using your example) that the wearer is not doing any pursuing. he is just standing around, perhaps throwing out occasional ice breakers, but basically being a window decoration. if he looks good, maybe women will talk to him, maybe not. the “friend” is like a salesman or animated window decoration, or however you want to think of it. the attention is drawn to him. as a fusion of our examples, a woman may walk by the first window decoration and think “oh my, that looks nice” (thus getting his phero sig) and then keep walking until she sees the salesman, at which point she thinks “oh my, this looks even better!” and then uses the first guy’s phero sig to create feelings of attraction for the second guy, the “friend.” the more you keep this in mind, the less of a chance you have to make this mistake. you not only have to wear the pheros, you have to be the pheros. if you are wearing attraction and social pheros, you have to go attract and be social. i do this purposely with my friends. if i have a status sig or something (a314, mx292) and the situation is right, i share my sig. then, all my friends get to be high status (or very social, or looking to attract, etc). of course, there are times when i need that sig for myself and then i’m extra careful to be congruent. my girlfriend has been with me for a while and she’s especially good at reading when i need my sig and when it’s ok to “borrow” it. we usually share social and sexual sigs; it’s situation-specific whether or not she shares my status sig. ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/backfire-what-if-the-girl-smells-your-mones-and-chats-your-friend-up-instead/31173/5 "2009-08-01T02:12:37Z")
Hi. We’ve had this question come up several times. You can do a search of the forum to find lots of information. Here’s a thread to get you started on the answer you’re looking for. > [@So I'm Just Wondering](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921): > > yeah its tfer15. im just wondering this one thing. How does the target know that you are the one broadcasting the signal? whether it be a openness vibe, a comfortable vibe or any inbetween. so lets set up a situation to demonstrate. so i go on a casual lunch with my friend thats a guy and a girl. i can wear any [pheromone](https://a314.com/) in my collection. so lets say that i wear ammo and my friend doesnt. i usually wear two sprays to my neck, on in back and one on the front. we are sitting in a booth, all of… ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/backfire-what-if-the-girl-smells-your-mones-and-chats-your-friend-up-instead/31173/6 "2009-08-01T02:18:20Z")
that happens all the time. So you gotta take the role of the Alpha and lead. Happened to me too, guys got smooch attacked by their dates while I was near them with high doses of tuth, sometimes also pi or npa. But they first eyed the crap out of me. ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/backfire-what-if-the-girl-smells-your-mones-and-chats-your-friend-up-instead/31173/7 "2009-08-01T02:24:32Z")
> [@crashbandicoot](#): > > that happens all the time. So you gotta take the role > of the Alpha and lead. Happened to me too, guys got smooch attacked by their dates while I was near them with high doses of tuth, sometimes also > pi or npa. But they first eyed the crap out of me. You’ve hit on something important there. Those women knew exactly where the pheros were coming from, as evidenced by the fact that they couldn’t take their eyes off of you. However, they were with other guys, and even though their blood was running hot they couldn’t very well just switch guys just like that. Which is why their dates suddenly got so much attention. All that sexual frustration had to go somewhere. 🙂