# Bad Effects from P74 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 30, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-effects-from-p74/58880 "2013-04-30T17:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 6
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-effects-from-p74/58880/6 "2013-05-01T04:35:26Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > MMMDI what makes you think that p75 is Alpha or beta androsterone, have you done any side by side comparisons? I have a lot of experience with Beta androsterone and have found that it is nothing like p75, actually too much beta eRone or epiandrosterone as some people call it is actually a very beta vibe above about 15 mcg. > > However the similarities with p75 and AndrostAnone are astonishing I recommend you give the two a side by side comparison and you will see what I mean the only difference I could see was that the AndrostAnone was slightly more accepted by males but I think that this is the result of a pure/dirty synthesis because it came from a different vendor, would like to hear your thoughts on the two if you ever get a chance to test. I’d love to, especially comparing the raw androsterone and P80. The structure of androstanone doesn’t make me think it would be a good hydrogen bond donor with -eNone. I would expect [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) to be lipophilic and poorly diffused. It diffuses like alphanol over a broad area quickly at low amounts. It burns in four hours mixed 50/50 with TAC. It inhibits the tranquil and drowsy effects of high doses of TAC. I’m not seeing this reported with A None. The argument against A None is less compelling than for Beta eRone. I find this report to be pretty consistent with my now daily use of 75. It acts like ephedrine or guarana. It is not a stimulant, but disinhibits fatigue. It can actually lead to exhaustion, similar to tachyphylaxis from OTC sleep aids. It is the hunter on a two-day quest who will not sleep until bagging game. My intent is to acquire ExperiMone eRone next, if I can stop going through 10 mL of P75 mix per week. This does not present any hard conclusion. **It presents an idea to test. Not an argument for a thesis.** If there is no thought provoked, testing stops and research hits a glass ceiling, which is where 75 is at–until we wipe the slate and look at it afresh. If I see a specific observation reported comparing P75 to another substance, I will know that person has it down solid. There was one highly experienced female user who reported this years ago. If I see someone reproduce this 75 effect, I will PM them with that report. This is an observation you should see above 7.5 mcg in standalone tests of 75, usually in men. I don’t read it in conjunction with A None, and Beta eRone reports are scant. I believe Olfact was correct. This is merely my opinion. It remains to be demonstrated, Q.E.D. The P80 / A None argument might have merit. I also find JohnnyHard’s observations here and elsewhere compelling. But, admittedly, Beta Rone seems a paradoxical creature, called very masculine and feminine as well. Energizing. Is it like IG or a male version of TAL? What I look for are reports of congruent adjectives/synomnyms: energizing, self-irritation/annoyance, male distancing coupled with princely respect, women who find it attractive in the sense of manly beauty but not sexual; lacking sexual arousal (argues against it being a close cousin of -eNone). Beta and Alpha Nol are isomers with similar communication properties. P75 seems devoid of sexual arousal and needs -eNone badly. Women have a higher tolerance for wearing it but little for NONE. Crazy, wild eye contact with 75. Cat-like scanning of the horizon, like someone on point for night patrol in combat. These are things that are the hallmarks of 75 for me. My testing occurs over entire days. Hours upon hours observing the same people over months. Sadly, my expenses testing (over two hundred dollars the last two weeks) impact my budget and time to test as many things as I’d like. I still haven’t done P102 properly yet. It will take me a year to move through so many things. However, some chemicals are better than others, and TAC/75 command my acute attention, deservedly so. I also think there are two kinds of 75 users: ones who love crazy amounts (me) and those who hate over 2.5. They may be missing something or may respond differently in blind comparisons. If it didn’t hit so hard at 30 micros, I’d use that every day with some TAC and None. 60 makes me feel great. Hell, I’ve gone through 1/2 bottle of 7.5 micros in just a couple weeks. Same with TAC. Your mileage may surely vary. > [@LS A-none vs P75](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ls-a-none-vs-p75/42120): > > Putative 75 Lowest range of effect – 0.5 mcgs Optimal range for me – 0.75-1.25 mcgs Point at which self effects start to become negative for me – 3.75-5 mcgs Highest range of application – 15-18 mcgs Potential OD – In a Androstenone sense certainly not. I’ve worn 10 mcgs a couple times going out and I don’t really see anyone exhibit signs of ghosting or avoidance or potential fear. I’ve had some odd reactions at those levels from women but I really can’t even delve into comprehending that. … --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-effects-from-p74/58880)._