# Bad mix? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 25, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520 "2006-07-25T04:31:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/1 "2006-07-25T04:31:39Z")
OK, I tried this out: 5 sprays IShine on the neck, 1 drop mutant A314 on the wrist, (spread it between both wrists,) and one spray of IFM on each wrist. I went to the grocery store, wal-mart, and a gas station. I tried talking to a few girls, but they all gave me this, “Why are you talking to me?” look. The only real ‘hit’ that I got was myself. I normally yell at stupid drivers to myself, but today I had to stop myself after the second time I rolled down my car window to do it! Not the response I expected at all from this mix! What do you folks think went wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 6:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/2 "2006-07-25T06:47:21Z")
> [@mbakron](#): > > OK, I tried this out: 5 sprays IShine on the neck, 1 drop mutant A314 on the wrist, (spread it between both wrists,) and one spray of IFM on each wrist. > I went to the grocery store, wal-mart, and a gas station. I tried talking to a few girls, but they all gave me this, “Why are you talking to me?” look. > The only real ‘hit’ that I got was myself. I normally yell at stupid drivers to myself, but today I had to stop myself after the second time I rolled down my car window to do it! Not the response I expected at all from this mix! > > What do you folks think went wrong? the A314 and IFM in a closed in area… shine probably kept you from getting out of the vehicle ,lol, so dont leave that out. but you probably used enough of it to have the confidence of 8 men though,lol. im interested myself to see what others opinions are! ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 8:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/3 "2006-07-25T08:36:58Z")
> [@mbakron](#): > > OK, I tried this out: 5 sprays IShine on the neck, 1 drop mutant A314 on the wrist, (spread it between both wrists,) and one spray of IFM on each wrist. > I went to the grocery store, wal-mart, and a gas station. I tried talking to a few girls, but they all gave me this, “Why are you talking to me?” look. > The only real ‘hit’ that I got was myself. I normally yell at stupid drivers to myself, but today I had to stop myself after the second time I rolled down my car window to do it! Not the response I expected at all from this mix! > > What do you folks think went wrong? You didn’t know these girls right? I am thinking that is probably why they gave you that “why are you talking to me here in a supermarket/gas station” look. I think large doses of IShine/m (and 5 sprays is a lot) gives the male wearer a great feeling but have noticed it can make communication and rapport with women a bit more difficult. If you let the mix settle after a few hours I think you might have got more positive responses as the IShine/m dies down a little (the primary molecule in it, TAA is fast diffusing) and the IFM assumes a more prominent role in the mix. IFM would make women more comfortable with talking to a stranger. I also have white capped ‘mutant’ A314 and notice a big difference between 1 drop and 2. With 1 drop it feels like I am not wearing any A314 but with 2 I get obvious respect and people see me as someone more ‘substantial’. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/4 "2006-07-25T15:20:38Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > the A314 and IFM in a closed in area… > shine probably kept you from getting out of the vehicle ,lol, so dont leave that out. but you probably used enough of it to have the confidence of 8 men though,lol. im interested myself to see what others opinions are! I don’t know. All night, I just felt like, “I don’t give a crap about the consequences.” It almost seems to me as if the confidence was making me roll down the window. Oh well, I’m going to try the same mix today, while interacting with people I know. I’ll cut back on the shine a bit, though. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/5 "2006-07-25T16:32:45Z")
Dooood… this is why I keep on saying that there is a learning curve with these The more self knowledge, self awareness you have, and the more behavioral training, like through acting or NLP, or consciousness training, like various meditative practices, the better you can make use of the possibilites that [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) offer… I’m sure crowd behavior can be so distinct from individual, personal behavior because of the high levels of naturally occuring pheromones present… the police know this all too well, as do concert promoters, club owners… note all the special precautions and crowd management skills that have to be in place whenever large groups of people congregate, except maybe churches, and man, I wouldn’t put it past the televangelist crowd to waft some of that same phero that the casinos were using to help the congregants feel the Presence… your little addition of some mones may “contextualize” your consciousness to think/feel/emote/react like a fan at the game instead of the quiet guy driving along… so you need to work out a meta-voice or a babysitter part of your consciousness to remind you of the circumstances, so you appropriately align your thought processes with external circumstances… I love my mind machine, the **Photosonix Nova Pro 100** , which I like to put on the mid range aerobic jump setting when I want my mind to be flexible and mellow (setting P02) or the high range aerobic jump (setting P03) when I want to be crisp and aware, and sometimes the low range when I want to slow down and groove out at the end of the day.. and I stopped using the flashing light goggles with this, only the headphones with the complex mind tones… I find this really helps in synergy with the pheromones to find the **sweet spot of maximal effectiveness** … look… way too many people have been indoctrinated into the “magic pill philosophy” or the “penis enlarging cream cult” where some external factor does all the work, effortlessly, and it sweeps you along to fame, fortune, women, and a great game of golf… if only life were so easy to figure out… good mones are like the best golf clubs or a really fine high performance car… you have to work harder, actually, at the outset, to make all the nuances and features of those things work for you instead of against you… ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 12:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/6 "2006-07-26T00:12:41Z")
I now have a much better understanding how these work, just by feeling them out today. I just have to listen to both my doubt as well as my confidence. Normally, I know this, but last night I wasn’t doing so. Here was my mix for today: 3 sprays Ishine on my back, 1 drop mutant A314 between both wrists, and one spray IFM on each wrist. I was cool, confidant, and most importantly, in control. I was a bit chatty, but not much more than normal. I talked to a number of people I normally talk to. Most guys seemed a bit subdued, but not necessarily out of the ordinary. Women, on the other hand, were all chatty. Some normally smile while talking to me, but others usually talk to me with a straight face. Today, however, a couple of the normally straight-faced girls had silly grins while talking to me. I can honestly say that I’ve never had so many girls smiling at me in one day. The most definate hit, however, was a girl at the bank. When I went in to cash my paycheck, I made sure to put my wrists up by the counter, and blow a few mones her way. She’s normally a little chatty, but this time, she almost wouldn’t let me leave. She gave me TONS of eye contact, and pushed out her (already very nice) chest. She finally had to answer the phone, but after about six rings. She said, “Oh, I guess I have to get this. See ya!” and waved as I left. Her female co-worker, who had been trying to get in on the conversation, also waved as I left. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/7 "2006-07-26T00:19:02Z")
Oh, I also was talking to a chinese girl who I know. She seemed chatty, stopping me in the hall when I asked how it was going, but she seemed to somehow get confused about me after a minute or two. Do you think this has anything to do with the mones? ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/8 "2006-07-26T01:18:06Z")
Lol I find that the average asian that I run across, especially ones from Japan seem to have a “lost aire” about them. I’d think that something as soft as IFM may eccentuate that more. Not to bash anyone, though that is my experience with them, afterall I do venture to Seattle from time to time so I encounter alot of them. Not sure what your encounter was like.. perhaps it could just be you and you need to be more aggressive.. especially with asian girls because some tend to be very shy or like a guy to lead alot. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/9 "2006-07-26T01:39:15Z")
It wasn’t a “lost” kind of look at all, and let me tell you, this girl isn’t shy. It was more of a, “What the heck is going on? This isn’t normal,” look. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 4:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/10 "2006-07-26T04:00:55Z")
Hey, sounds like she was responding to the 'mones and was confused as to what was making her respond differently. I’ve seen that a lot, especially with women who know their own responses well. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/11 "2006-07-26T04:42:32Z")
I had serious doubts about mones until today. I thought they might be a bunch of BS. I’m a sceptic by nature. I saw lots of results today. Then, as the mones wore off, I kinda got bumed out. But one shot of IShine to the chest, and I’m in happy land again. So now I have an order in for IH and spaceland. I’m going to use spaceland for its intended purpose, but I’m also going to find a way to meter out smaller doses, for other uses. (We chemists are good at doing things like that.) P.S. If you’d had a chemist on hand, we could have fixed your mutant A314 batch… Hire one. We’re smart like that. 😉 P.P.S. I’m gonna see what this can do at poker night! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/12 "2006-07-26T05:15:11Z")
> [@](#): > > P.S. If you’d had a chemist on hand, we could have fixed your mutant A314 batch… Hire one. We’re smart like that. 😉 i assumed you would have to be a chemist to put any and all this stuff together. wouldnt anomalies happen reguardless? just asking because im not smart in that way… ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 11:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/13 "2006-07-26T11:05:11Z")
To MAKE the compounds, I’m sure you need a chemist. But to mix a batch, you probably just need someone who is good at following directions. You wouldn’t even need a chemist to correct a batch where too much of something was added; you’d just need someone who knew algebra. But chemists are used to doing calculations like that, so they could probably give you the answer in seconds. There shouldn’t be any anomolies between batches. Every can of Pepsi you’ve ever had tasted exactly the same, even though they’re made in different facilities with different batch sizes. Why should mones be different? Honestly, I doubt that androticsdirect makes enough volume to benefit from a lab tech, but if they get to a certain size, they would. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/14 "2006-07-26T11:26:16Z")
They definitely do have a lab tech. You just need to look at some posts by Jasmin and Michael and they explain that fact. Michael (MHarris) as far as I have gathered, is most certainly a qualified chemist - amongst many other things. That is only one of the hats he wears. Head to posts from around Oct to December 2005 and you’ll find evidence of this. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/15 "2006-07-26T16:54:12Z")
> [@](#): > > There shouldn’t be any anomolies between batches. Every can of Pepsi you’ve ever had tasted exactly the same, even though they’re made in different facilities with different batch sizes. Why should mones be different? ahh see this where i have fun. your right, there _shouldnt._ however, i disagree that pepsi did not have their share of unforseen circumstances, none of which we WOULD know about ,lol. there have been all kinds of rumors as to things found in the cans,for instance, that should not have happened. doing anything the same, day in and day out, still plays the lotto of unforeseen circumstances the second any chemical -person - particle decides to evolve. i guess the idea that “shit happens” has always held too much weight with me,lol. and math… some minds are just better equipped. i know im not wearing a parachute. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2006, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/16 "2006-07-30T21:58:21Z")
I’m not a chemist. My educational background is in psychology, although my interests and experience extend far beyond that. For example, I worked for a cutting edge top nutritional company that created what are now known as nutraceuticals (nutritional formulations that give results as obviously as pharmaceuticals do). The formulators there were quality obsessed. Even their vitamin C was from Hoffman-LaRoche. They were uber results oriented, and no expense was spared to create products that actually generated results. My temperament is similar (I’ve been called an anal retentive, quality obsessed maniac, and I tend to agree 😉), and I picked up lots of practical knowledge there. I have enough knowledge to be able to find & work with good chemists, and, perhaps more importantly, to be able to know who’s trying to pull the wool over my eyes, and who’s not. (there’s far more fraud in the “science” related industries than there should be – too many tiny labs that are all willing to fudge their numbers) Back when we started, we were much better funded that we are now, and did more inhouse than we do now. Just like Erox/Pherin, and KioTech, we started quite a bit of optimistic investment, that needed to be adjusted in relation to market realities. Today, most of the truly high end work is outsourced to various experts, all of which are here in the US. (which has actually ended up being a superior approach) These days we have two lab techs make most of the products on a small scale. One of them, Scott, doesn’t have the official educational background of the other, but he’s very detail oriented, which is primarily what we need. We need precision, and adherence to the multitude of laws and rules involving the manufacture of cosmetic products – GMP, FDA cosmetic guidelines, etc. Large, private label batches (25k bottles and up) are compounded and filled by a partner outside of us. (this actually actually makes large orders easier for us to fulfill, as we supply components only) In the cosmetics industry, there are quite a few bad batches that get sold off as “normal”. You especially see this among [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/), few brands of which are consistent whatsoever (LaCroy probably being an exception here). We’re one of the few companies that is quality focused. You have to remember, we were the ones that introduced the concept of dosing to pheromone products. Dosing and consistency is a very important issue. We don’t let anything go out that isn’t as perfect as can be. Often times, when it comes to chemicals you can smell, there is no “fixing” of batches. You do everything right the first time, in the proper sequence, or you leave a batch behind. Perfume, for instance, must be mixed in a certain order. If you change the order whatsoever, the scent changes. This is hit you over the head obvious when formulating fragrances. Just because it’s harder to discern those changes with pheromones, doesn’t mean the same things aren’t going on. Pheromones are basically human musks, after all, so many of the same rules should apply to formulating pheromone products as apply to overt fragrance products. Due to that, we’d rather discard a batch, or sell it as damaged, and start over. Many aspects of the chemicals of olfaction are still unknown. There’s not enough knowledge to take a completely dominant, top down approach. In this field, reality has to take precedence over assumption… and the reality is that chemosensory science is still in it’s infancy, with far more unknowns that knowns. You must err on the side of caution to make good, consistent, consistent olfactory products – and that’s what we do. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 2:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/17 "2006-07-31T02:08:44Z")
OK, so I’m guessing with perfumes, it’s not just like creating a mixture? I assumed that if you had all the compounds in there in the correct proportions, it would give identical results. Apparently there’s something more going on here? I’ll accept that there is, since I’m not one of those arrogant science dudes that thinks he knows everything. I also agree that attention to detail, methodical work, critical thinking, and problem solving skills are far more important than formal training for a lab tech. Formal training just gives you more “tools” to use in your thought process. Many people think that just because they have formal training, they are better qualified for something. This couldn’t be further from the truth. I know about number fudging. I’ve worked in industry before. When numbers come out wrong, you do the test again. If they come out wrong about three times, they send in another lab tech… and what do you know? The numbers are perfect! Hmmmmm… To be fair, though, when the acceptable range is 99.4-99.6, and the result is 99.3, I can see why it may just go by. And, at least where I was, it wouldn’t go by if the result was, say, 97.5. Some places are worse than others, though. ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/18 "2006-07-31T02:28:35Z")
I haven’t had much in the way of results since my first day, but I do have a story to tell. I heard stories on here about putting on pheromones and getting a haircut… it puts you close to someone for a period of time. I needed a haircut, so I put on the mones, and went to the hair place. I see all these cute girls cutting hair, so I’m thinking, “Hmmm, this could be fun!” So I sign in. The lady in front puts me in a chair, and pumps it up. Then she calls out, “Pat!” And what happens next? A dude with hoop earrings, a bleached goatee, mostly purple designer clothes, a rainbow triangle pin, and a rainbow jelly bracelet steps out of the back room. 😮 😮 😮 At this point, I’m kinda freaked out, because a blatantly homosexual dude is going to cut my hair, and I’m soaking in pheromones!!! Luckily, he cuts my hair with no incident. But this was NOT what I had in mind when I went!!! ---
**Author:** ![mbakron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mbakron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mbakron)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 2:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/19 "2006-07-31T02:44:28Z")
Actually, after some reading and thinking, I wonder if mones may have saved me. Recently, the mone mixes I have employed have used two drops of mutant A314. Since I’ve done that, people haven’t been around me a lot. Maybe my “lack of results” is actually the result of too much none pushing people away? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/20 "2006-07-31T03:14:55Z")
> [@mbakron](#): > > I haven’t had much in the way of results since my first day, but I do have a story to tell. > I heard stories on here about putting on pheromones and getting a haircut… it puts you close to someone for a period of time. I needed a haircut, so I put on the mones, and went to the hair place. > I see all these cute girls cutting hair, so I’m thinking, “Hmmm, this could be fun!” So I sign in. The lady in front puts me in a chair, and pumps it up. Then she calls out, “Pat!” And what happens next? A dude with hoop earrings, a bleached goatee, mostly purple designer clothes, a rainbow triangle pin, and a rainbow jelly bracelet steps out of the back room. 😮 😮 😮 > At this point, I’m kinda freaked out, because a blatantly homosexual dude is going to cut my hair, and I’m soaking in pheromones!!! > Luckily, he cuts my hair with no incident. But this was NOT what I had in mind when I went!!! that is the funniest mutha-freakin story i have heard in a long time. no lie. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520.md?page=2)