# Bad OD **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 4, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-od/42319 "2010-10-04T14:11:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![arvoshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@arvoshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/arvoshift)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-od/42319/1 "2010-10-04T14:11:28Z")
Hi All. First, a little about myself. I am a caucasian male, 25y/o, slim, oily skin, I’ve been using mones for a little while now I’ve noticed I tend to sweat a LOT when using 'none and after an hour or 2, my pits begin to stink. could this be my own response? have others had this happen? what do you do to combat this? (pherlure 1 spray to chest every second or third day) I’ve had limited experience with TUTH and IS however I LOVE IS. one spray of IS to the face and I’m in a great, social mood. So tonight I decided to throw caution to the wind and using snooks guide, try out my new shipment. Just a side note. I got a really nice handwritten note saying “Thanks, you are awesome!” on my invoice and a free IS 2x travel spray I was pleasantly suprised and that speaks incredibly highly of the customer service. very fast shipping to Australia (Ordered on a thursday, received on monday) Having not used any mones in the past 2 days and hardcore scrubbing both in the morning and just before I went out. All mones were 1x strength [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) 1x Chest IS 1x FACE TUTH 1x Back of neck IH 1x Wrists BAD IDEA. I think I definitely overdosed. Setting: Social, meeting a friend for coffee. Reactions: Girl1, Caucasian,Redhead, 20 y/o, short+slim, A Cups (the girl I was having coffee with) Current relationship: Known her for about a week, she has a BF but flirting had occurred and we were pretty friendly. Things seemed off, she seemed nervous. conversation was not free flowing etc. however I was getting eye contact and lots of hair touches. this was probably out of nervousness. I could sense that something was ‘off’ I logged in to facebook when I got home this was posted as her status:\*\* \*\*“can’t decide if its creepy or a friends natural interest . . . no its definitely creepy” Now I did not make ANY advances on her or verbal suggestions, must have been the mones talking. Hit 2: Girl2, caucasian, early 20s, brunette, Short+big, D cup Setting: Making my coffee, tending the counter. Response: she ignored me until she was done with the other customers, then very professionally asked what I would like, all business like. looked down a lot, rubed her nose a lot. Hit 3: Standing outside talking to Girl1 while I had a cigarette. a group of 18yo or so girls 4 of them walked passed then once they got 5 meters or so past us, 2 of them went “ohhhhh” (like when someone misses a goal at a soccer match) definite OD. Other males tended to ignore me. Now, it was eye opening to see the reactions. and I would reccommend an intentional OD now that I have accidentally done it. HOWEVER DO IT AROUND PEOPLE YOU DO NOT KNOW and try different social settings. Things I’ve learned: Please tell me if I’m wrong and add advice. I’m a newbie so I won’t throw a tantrum if you correct me on anything I say that may be different to what you may have experienced. Now I’m beginning to see how pheros work. READ THE BOTTLE. TUTH says I want to fuck now. so imagine you actually verbally saying “I want to fuck now” between every word you say in a conversation. 2 sprays increases the frequency and volume you say it at. you wouldn’t say it when grandma is over and in a social setting when you’re seeing a friend that may not be interested in you, it would be pretty creepy. so tone down the none. if any of you have studied the MM and know the Attraction, Comfort, Seduction phases. I was obviously in comfort and blasted into seduction. so bar hopping: none can be good. the girls ALREADY looking for sex will respond Anyway, I’m looking for advice. would I naturally be producing a lot of 'none? (I’ve had a ‘cat pee’ comment using 1 spray but I have read that it is a gene found in a small amount of women that get that response. is this correct?) is it that I’m just wearing too many products and the smell is strong (consciously)? I’m going to try just 1x ammo at work and see the responses I get then. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-od/42319/2 "2010-10-04T14:43:26Z")
hmm this sounds odd… Feel that you shouldn’t have ODed on just one spray of tuth and one of ammo… Maybe you just weren’t in sync with the cloud you were giving off. Congruence is important, you cant put on A314 and be all shy and inward… weird about the facebook creepy comment… Did you ask her about that? ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/digital_b/32/1716_2.png) [@Digital\_B](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Digital_B)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-od/42319/3 "2010-10-04T16:07:38Z")
On days I wear mones; specifically Ammo, I tend to sweat form my pores more,e ven with multiple applications of deodorant. If it’s not more sweat, than the smell is more pungent. I’m not a guy who sweats much. Even in hot weather or physical activities. As for your OD, I had a similar situation. Not so much with any negativity but with feeling ignored. It was after 2-3 sprays ammo, and little socials to buffer it. I still use 2-3 sprays ammo with good hits, so congruency may be the problem as previously stated. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-od/42319/4 "2010-10-04T18:24:56Z")
“can’t decide if its creepy or a friends natural interest . . . no its definitely creepy” My conclusion: 2 Things 1: you weren’t in comfort stage. You were in LJBF zone and throwing the none in there screwed her up. She showed real IOI’s and since you haven’t moved on them she put you in friend zone. Then you show up with some none on and she shows IOI’s again which say that she probably had interest, but that annoyed her because she already put you in the friend zone. 2: congruency: Whenever your body language, words, and mones don’t match up people feel like they can’t trust you. It’s like you are lying and they can’t be sure about it. It gives them weird feelings. If a girl begins kino and you don’t kino back, you leave her feeling unfulfilled. This is great for escalating with rewards. IE you let her Kino you and only kino her back when she does something back. Puts you even more in control. She ends up chasing. Next time something like this happens either work on guiding the convo where you want it, or pick up some CTTM or IO to keep the conversation moving. Or even add another spray of IH to keep the empathetic connection. IH will help keep you two connected even when nothing is being said. You may have been -none heavy, but I don’t think you OD with her. I have a theory that redheads like more aggressive men. Often more aggressive men are also more -none heavy. For future meetings with her skip the TUTH and bump up the IH and IS. ---
**Author:** ![Redstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbce88/32.png) [@Redstone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Redstone)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-od/42319/5 "2010-10-04T20:42:44Z")
> [@arvoshift](#): > > Hi All. > > First, a little about myself. > I am a caucasian male, 25y/o, slim, oily skin, > I’ve been using mones for a little while now > **I’ve noticed I tend to sweat a LOT when using 'none and after an hour or 2, my pits begin to stink. could this be my own response? have others had this happen? what do you do to combat this?** Actually I have experienced the sweats and a flushed feeling with e-none products from AD before. On the occasion it does happen its usually soon after application, then it goes away. I have dryer skin. It comes and goes. However I never get it from a-none. I have been told it could possibly be your body reacting like if you were in a threatening situation. You may be ramping up for defense. This is all theory. ---
**Author:** ![arvoshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@arvoshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/arvoshift)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 11:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-od/42319/6 "2010-10-05T11:29:09Z")
Thanks for the help guys, I’m going to experiment a little more. Congruency is definitely a cause I would think so with constant use comes congruency. I wore 1x spray shot of ammo (chest) and 1x IH to work today and noticed great reactions. Maybe I’m just used to being approachable etc that I’m not used submissive behaviour. All the girls I work with are from 18-23yo and were a little more talkative, general “preening” increased, the receptionist kept trying to find excuses to be near my desk. From other guys my age - I got more respect and they were a lot friendlier. Strongest effects were about 1-2 hours after application. Pretty much, I’m looking to create a signature that says this: I’m the Fatherly protector, teacher, friend, lover