# Bar test with P75 and MX446 got no reactions: overdose or testing advice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 27, 2012, 9:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058 "2012-03-27T09:05:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bankie6784](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bankie6784](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bankie6784)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 9:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/1 "2012-03-27T09:05:03Z")
Saturday night 3/24/12. Test Number 2. Products - [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) (2.5 MCGs) MX446 (to go). So I agreed to go out Saturday night with some friends to a bar one city over from where I live. So before I leave my house I apply 3 sprays to each wrist of MX446 (rub together and spread on my forearms). No noticeable self effects what so ever. So I leave and as I arrive at the bar I apply 3 sprays of P75 to my neck and head inside. I sit with my friends. I dont notice ANYTHING out of the ordinary. My buddies girlfriend says some of her friends are on the way and I think to myself “hey I have tried mones around these chicks yet and they’re all cute so this should be the perfect test”. Boy was I wrong, they acted normal like they always do around me and that was that. So after sitting around for a few drinks we decide to go to a more lively place up the street. I go to my car (keep in mind this is about 3 or so hours later) and try one more spray of P75 to my neck and 2 more sprays of MX446 to my wrists and hands again. I’m very disappointed to say that I experienced NOTHING WHAT SO EVER. No looks or glances from any girls, no difference in attitude from anyone. NOTHING. I feel as though these products DO NOT WORK. It’s hard to argue with rock hard evidence and nothing to the contrary. Monday Night 3/26/12 Test number 3 Products - MX446 (to go) & P75 (2.5MCGS) Hung out with a female friend (we sort of like each other, its probably going no where but I figured what the hell) at a bar to watch the Celtics game last night. This time I applied 4 sprays of MX446 to the back of my neck and 3 sprays of P75 to the front of my neck. I waited in the bar by myself for this girl to get there for over a half an hour. I did notice that I was perfectly ok with sitting at the bar by myself for 45 minutes having a few beers and that I didnt feel like “that awkward guy that drinks alone”. She finally arrives and we talk like we normally do for a good 3 hours at the bar watching the game. I didnt notice anything out of the ordinary with her. No extended eye contact, no touching, no flirting, NOTHING. The night ends, she gives me a hug and we go our separate ways. VERY disappointed. Bottom line here is that when I use these products they do not work. I have tried IS, IO, AMMO, TUTH, IG, IH (2X), IJ and now P75, P83, and MX446. I see NO difference in human interaction, let alone attraction and indications of interest from the opposite sex. I must stress that I am not like the others who expect this to make girls drop and gravel at my feet and beg me for sex. I know what “GAME” is and I know how to talk to and read women (I grew up with a mom and 3 older sisters). That being said, I decided to test these products to see if these “reported” changes in female response and behavior are actually realistic. In these experiements, I’ve come to the conclusion, that they are not. I know that I will get the “well it seems to work for just about everyone else on this forum” responses. While my only response to that is; you can easily beef up and fabricate a story for the internet when the people you are speaking to arent there to witness what you claim to have experienced. To end this report I want to adamantly state that I AM NOT BASHING the people of this board (a very helpful group) or the people of Androtics (also VERY helpful who also have by far THE FASTEST ground service shipping on the planet). So I welcome all comments, questions, even criticism from anyone here. This is my report for my experience with Pheremones. - Tim ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 10:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/2 "2012-03-27T10:49:52Z")
> [@bankie6784](#): > > Saturday night 3/24/12. > Test Number 2. > Products - P75 (2.5 MCGs) MX446 (to go). > > So I agreed to go out Saturday night with some friends to a bar one city over from where I live. So before I leave my house I apply 3 sprays to each wrist of MX446 (rub together and spread on my forearms). No noticeable self effects what so ever. So I leave and as I arrive at the bar I apply 3 sprays of P75 to my neck and head inside. I sit with my friends. I dont notice ANYTHING out of the ordinary. My buddies girlfriend says some of her friends are on the way and I think to myself “hey I have tried mones around these chicks yet and they’re all cute so this should be the perfect test”. Boy was I wrong, they acted normal like they always do around me and that was that. So after sitting around for a few drinks we decide to go to a more lively place up the street. I go to my car (keep in mind this is about 3 or so hours later) and try one more spray of P75 to my neck and 2 more sprays of MX446 to my wrists and hands again. I’m very disappointed to say that I experienced iNOTHING WHAT SO EVER. No looks or glances from any girls, no difference in attitude from anyone. NOTHING. I feel as though these products DO NOT WORK. It’s hard to argue with rock hard evidence and nothing to the contrary. > > Monday Night 3/26/12 > Test number 3 > Products - MX446 (to go) & P75 (2.5MCGS) > > Hung out with a female friend (we sort of like each other, its probably going no where but I figured what the hell) at a bar to watch the Celtics game last night. This time I applied 4 sprays of MX446 to the back of my neck and 3 sprays of P75 to the front of my neck. I waited in the bar by myself for this girl to get there for over a half an hour. I did notice that I was perfectly ok with sitting at the bar by myself for 45 minutes having a few beers and that I didnt feel like “that awkward guy that drinks alone”. She finally arrives and we talk like we normally do for a good 3 hours at the bar watching the game. I didnt notice anything out of the ordinary with her. No extended eye contact, no touching, no flirting, NOTHING. The night ends, she gives me a hug and we go our separate ways. VERY disappointed. > > Bottom line here is that when I use these products they do not work. I have tried IS, IO, AMMO, TUTH, IG, IH (2X), IJ and now P75, P83, and MX446. I see NO difference in human interaction, let alone attraction and indications of interest from the opposite sex. I must stress that I am not like the others who expect this to make girls drop and gravel at my feet and beg me for sex. I know what “GAME” is and I know how to talk to and read women (I grew up with a mom and 3 older sisters). That being said, I decided to test these products to see if these “reported” changes in female response and behavior are actually realistic. In these experiements, I’ve come to the conclusion, that they are not. I know that I will get the “well it seems to work for just about everyone else on this forum” responses. While my only response to that is; you can easily beef up and fabricate a story for the internet when the people you are speaking to arent there to witness what you claim to have experienced. To end this report I want to adamantly state that I AM NOT BASHING the people of this board (a very helpful group) or the people of Androtics (also VERY helpful who also have by far THE FASTEST ground service shipping on the planet). So I welcome all comments, questions, even criticism from anyone here. This is my report for my experience with Pheremones. - Tim sounds to me like you need a good old OD to show you that atleast [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) have an effect so I suggest you go with 4 or 5 sprays of tuth unbuffered and go and find some girls to hang around with under 25yo if they start to look at you like you are a piece of shit then you OD’d, another good product to show you effects is IO next time you are going to be in a car with your friends spray on 5 or 6 sprays and make sure all the Windows are up, then prepare for the verbal avalanche. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/3 "2012-03-27T12:28:00Z")
I don’t know what to tell you man. I know what I’ve experienced, some of it subtle, and other incidents not so subtle. Do you honestly think people would keep spending hundreds of dollars a month in some cases just to fabricate stuff on the net? I will say this. Days I go out looking for results are days I see very little reactions. It reminds me of a video from the guys at the Authentic Man Program on the power of presence. The guys are walking up to the female instructors and instructed not to say a word, they are just to be present in their bodies and the women are supposed to tell them what they “felt.” What you see in some cases, is these guys walking up and they’ve got this look in their eyes like a hypnotist in a b movie from the 60’s and they’re staring at these ladies as if to say…“You are in my spell!!!” Its really forced looking. My point is, go out and relax. Whether you realize it or not you are putting off an energy and women are very intuitive, very feeling creatures. You’re putting off a ton of signals through artificial mones, natural mones, body language, emotions etc. Whether you realize it or not they’re feeling all of this at the same time…and if you’re sitting there at the bar and not enjoying yourself but trying to “hypnotize” them through some forced artificial means its going to back fire on you. Spray something on, go out and have fun. You can’t wear something like [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and sit around like a wall flower or a bar stool weight and expect people to want to open you. Does it happen? Yes, but not always. I’ve had days where I’ve put on what I’m expecting to be a killer combo and not get anywhere. And then days where something just clicks and bam! everybody wants to be near me, get to know me etc. Mones are not going to be the magical elixir that fixes your issues. They are like anything else, an enhancement of what you already bring to the world. ---
**Author:** ![bankie6784](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bankie6784](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bankie6784)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/4 "2012-03-27T12:48:46Z")
I did mention that I did not think they were anything magical. It’s just an observation. Last night was what it was just 2 people having a conversation. The night before was the same thing. And I was not standing around like a wall flower or anything like that. I’m a very very social fun loving outgoing person. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/5 "2012-03-27T14:16:54Z")
> [@bankie6784](#): > > I did mention that I did not think they were anything magical. It’s just an observation. Last night was what it was just 2 people having a conversation. The night before was the same thing. And I was not standing around like a wall flower or anything like that. I’m a very very social fun loving outgoing person. I appreciate that…but it also sounds like you were also very outcome dependent and that’s a killer in attraction. ---
**Author:** ![bankie6784](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bankie6784](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bankie6784)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/6 "2012-03-27T14:35:27Z")
Does not mean I will stop testing. I’ve got a few more things I want to do. There’s 5 more tests I wanna do before I’m absolutely certain that they will never work for me. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/7 "2012-03-27T16:33:19Z")
> [@bankie6784](#): > > Does not mean I will stop testing. I’ve got a few more things I want to do. There’s 5 more tests I wanna do before I’m absolutely certain that they will never work for me. Seems like you might have OD on this. Remember that [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) can be off putting, and you mixed it with an MX that you don’t know how they react from it. Test independently and in stages, throwing things on cause it seems like a good idea rarely works. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/8 "2012-03-27T17:38:20Z")
It sounds to me like you might be spending too much of your time observing and creating effects, rather than simply letting the interactions take a normal course of action. Pheromones are very much like clothes, in that they project social cues and characteristics that are unconsciously processed by your ‘targets’. People will perceive you a certain way because of your pheromone signature, just as they will perceive you a certain way because of the way you dress (obviously in a more subtle way). Think of pheromones like a really nice ‘power suit’, in the sense that it’s not enough to simply wear the suit…you have to own it, feel comfortable in it, and truly allow it to be an extension of your natural persona. Have you ever been out in a formal or professional setting and see someone wearing a nice suit that clearly was too mindful of the fact that he is wearing a nice suit? So much that he looks a little uncomfortable and unnatural in it (i.e. doesn’t know what to do with his hands, or how to sit naturally with it on)? I think that when a lot of people first try pheromones, they get caught in a similar frame of mind while wearing them, and they start to try too hard to make things happen. By no means is this a knock against your social skills or personality. You can be perfectly outgoing and still be trying too hard (perhaps unconsciously) to make hits happen. As general life advice: women tend to be drawn to you when you stop trying so hard and are simply in a comfortable state of mind. It’s one of the ironies of being a guy that became extremely apparent when I got married and stopped putting so much pressure on myself when interacting with women. I think the act of wearing pheromones and being so concerned with having results can take you out of a natural, comfortable state of mind, and people can sense that. We’ve all been caught in a trap of feeling like pheromones aren’t working, or that they’re actually having negative effects, and it can be a little bit stressful. The ironic thing about pheromones (and life I suppose) is that you seem to have more of a positive effect on people while wearing them when you stop worrying about them and simply go about being you, in your most comfortable, confident state. When you’re in the right mind-frame, the pheromones enhance your natural characteristics, and people behave in out of the ordinary ways (in good and bad ways) without you changing anything else about yourself and your behavior. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/9 "2012-03-28T12:13:39Z")
Pheromones do not create attraction out of nothing… they only enhance. Attraction between man and woman has to be there first..like a spark needed to start a fire. Seek different targets and see if there’s a difference. Another thing be comfortable in your own skin, the clothes you choose etc. I don’t wear suits for this very reason, i feel tense in them. I wear expensive jeans and a fashionable t shirt , cool runners, and a cool leather jacket to complement my rock star vibe. I also find it very comforting to wear IS/ AMMO or IS / A314 or AM. I have no game, I suck at pulling women in, so instead I’ve decided to do what I was trained to do and that is try to build status and be goal oriented by being in shape, being outgoing, and developing my youtube site. I use my allure of status or rock star in the making to pull women in and it works. I also have no pressure on me like (am I going to be good in bed etc) since i am not looking for intercourse. This enables me to talk to women with ease and pulls all stress away from me. I agree with the advice on this site don’t be outcome oriented or you may be dissapointed.. Just be friendly, high status, and give women an opportunity to get to know you. You don’t have to score on the same night you meet them you know! dsouza ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/10 "2012-03-28T13:37:47Z")
Another thing too, if these girls have met you before and are used to your natural signature including your friends then you’ve already established how they will treat you. Introducing this new signature and acting the same way as before will keep things status quo. Just like putting new clothing on but behaving the same way, people will treat you the same. Now if you consistently have a different signal they will gradually get used to the new one. I like to have something on for respect when around friends. The best test for immediate results is with new people you meet. Pretend the pheromones being the social lubricant, and your personality being the activator. You’d be surprised how differently people can treat you! ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 10:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/11 "2012-03-30T10:28:15Z")
I have to agree with most here, I don’t think you should give up just yet you also have to take into consideration everyone’s biology is different and mones can have different effects and even no effects. When I first started using mones I was like you, I didn’t believe they worked because I didn’t notice anything different. Luckily for me I let a friend of mine in on the experiment and he has always been more friendly with the ladies. At the end of the night I was pissed and said I wasted my money and he turned and said hell no you didn’t because I noticed a bunch of girls giving you the eye you are not very observant. So he taught me how to be more observant and more empathetic and I learned more about reading people through body language and actions they are powerful things once you understand them. Add the mones into that mix and it will get easier and easier to spot even the most subtle of reactions but sometimes it is that subtle because some girls have a bit more control over their body language and actions then others. I have never tried that MX or that Putative so I can’t even tell you what reactions you are supposed to get from people but I advise utilizing the consumer line more, find your sweet spots and experiment with what each mone does to you and those around you individually before you start mixing and matching things. ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 11:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/12 "2012-08-14T11:42:01Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Pheromones do not create attraction out of nothing… they only enhance. Attraction between man and woman has to be there first.. Interesting considering I am reading reports from other experienced users who are having the exact opposite of this statement occurring to them. User name: Bestintel has a report he is writing and in it he describes how his consistant phero use and experimentation with women at his job has caused 1 or 2 who truly expressed a genuine dislike toward him at the beginning to show a complete 180 degree turn in their behavior toward him. So in his case the products actually did create an attraction. ---
**Author:** ![Centaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Centaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Centaur)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/13 "2012-08-14T17:37:06Z")
I can relate to this. With one big exception- A314. A314 is the one that made me believe in mones. While I had read descriptions of how it was supposed to work and do, when I put it on I got immediate reactions all around- at work and in social situations. The key thing for me was, that although it did exactly WHAT people said it did, it did it in a way that was completely different than I had imagined or anticipated. For me that nullified the placebo effect. But I also have had zero to no responses with other products. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (summer and regular) have not resulted in much for me yet. The other day, actually, I was coming home from the grocery, and this hot girl is eyeballing me intently, smiling and locking eyes. I thought (hey, a hit!) but then I remembered I wasn’t wearing anything. And that is how it has been- I get more hits without ammo than with it. I am open to the idea that I may not be projecting congruently. I know its doing something.. One of the girls I see semi-regularly becomes the worlds most talkative person whenever I wear ammo around her. Maybe its me. I have so many products, and so few opportunities to test them fully it gets frustrating. In the end, I’d be happy with one or two basic mixes for certain occasions that work- or that fit me. But that is why we are newbies, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Centaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Centaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Centaur)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/14 "2012-08-14T17:41:20Z")
I’ll add this, BTW. I reordered a314 because it works, and it proved itself to me to be a valuable addition to my life and goals. As to the IG, IS, IO,AMMO,TUTH,MX275,[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/).. I have one togo of each, if I don’t see some type of results from them, I will not be reordering them. For now a314 and IH have been the most reliable as far as effect so far. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/15 "2012-08-15T00:35:44Z")
> [@russmatthess](#): > > Interesting considering I am reading reports from other experienced users who are having the exact opposite of this statement occurring to them. User name: Bestintel has a report he is writing and in it he describes how his consistant phero use and experimentation with women at his job has caused 1 or 2 who truly expressed a genuine dislike toward him at the beginning to show a complete 180 degree turn in their behavior toward him. So in his case the products actually did create an attraction. That just means there was attraction and they were expressing it in a negative manner before. That happens sometimes for various reasons. Perhaps they consciously dont want to feel attraction to someone they work with What bestinal is experiencing is behavior that is coming from their subconscious thought not from their conscious thought. Pheromones can not make someone who truly dislikes you on both a conscious and subconscious level, suddenly like you out of the blue. They can make someone who dislikes you be nicer or change there normal behavior around you. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/16 "2012-08-15T03:34:34Z")
bankie6784 - I appreciate your honesty and sharing. Actually, I have never got my pheromones work for me too despite being claimed by reliable reviewer to be among the top [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) in the market. I tried many times to my utter frustration. I tried it in my workplace, party, bank, post office, clinic, restaurant, and even in a complex with freelance escorts. The products worked zero for me. No eyes on me, nor even any slight reaction. Nobody turn her face to me nor look at me. I am not ugly or fat. People say you were OD but I wish to give you the benefits of doubt. I believe you have tried lower doses. However, I have not tried any product from AD and I really hope it works.. ---
**Author:** ![Turbo2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cab0a1/32.png) [@Turbo2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Turbo2)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/17 "2012-08-15T03:59:32Z")
A314 and shine made me believe straight away with self effects, when I used space land with friends well that blew my mind!!! ---
**Author:** ![romancetoday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@romancetoday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/romancetoday)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 6:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/18 "2012-08-15T06:20:48Z")
> [@giantb](#): > > A314 and shine made me believe straight away with self effects, when I used space land with friends well that blew my mind!!! what about instant jerk? Do u have sure results? Other than A314 what will surely work? I don’t think A314 is what he wanted… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 6:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/19 "2012-08-15T06:27:58Z")
> [@romancetoday](#): > > what about instant jerk? Do u have sure results? > > Other than A314 what will surely work? I don’t think A314 is what he wanted… IJ can work or it can have them running for the hills and leave you dealing with royally pissed-off guys instead.- For an Asian guy looking to attract Asian women, IJ is about the phero least likely to help you because of its massive none content - About **five times** more than any other standard Instant/Consumer product here. ---
**Author:** ![speedlimits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@speedlimits](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/speedlimits)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058/20 "2012-08-15T20:09:35Z")
I can relate with the OP as well, been using AMMO X2, IS X2 and Athena (by itself, not mixed) for the past few days and didnt notice any effects/hits at all. I think it’s more like a placebo effect, you pay attention more into details from the people around you but even without it, we would most likely get that same hit. I think it’s the same as those power balance bracelets, a lot of people swore it works. I’ll keep trying though since I still have a lot left 🙂 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bar-test-with-p75-and-mx446-got-no-reactions-overdose-or-testing-advice/55058.md?page=2)