# Been Kicked outta better places then L/S **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 17, 2006, 1:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428 "2006-06-17T01:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/41 "2006-07-04T14:46:12Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > Ehhh..no. > > Assuming you still can’t see what he said, trust me, you would want to lynch him too. > > He makes some very asinine remarks about “the makers of A314” and some pretty assumptive and downright rude comments about the way this site is promoted, and marketed - and how LS in comparison conducts itself impeccably. > > There is NO place for that kind of needless bias. > > Ail 🙂 :: spraying IShine and IFM evrywhere:: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/42 "2006-07-04T18:38:43Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > LS is not as honest as touted to be. > > That guy doesn’t know what he’s saying. He should _go out more_ wrt pheromones. I failed to see the reason of his loyalty to Dodd’s PheroFragrance, after testing both male & female’s versions myself. > > Let it roll off your back. > > i2w He made an ass out of himself without ever realizing it. I almost feel bad for the blind-sided LS loyalists. They’re really missing out IMO. ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/43 "2006-07-04T21:04:58Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > eh I’ve decided I’m through with the forum and LS. I have no hard feelings towards LS or the posters there. I just have no interest in the products being offered there…I had gotten bored with their products for months before finally ending up here and being reinvigorated to trying new things. I just wish I had the budget I had back then lol. In due time though. > > As far as the forum goes…its obvious that my own views and perspectives to things are out of line with the monolithic status quo established on LS. Its pointless to participate in a forum if you’re not going to be taken seriously. They have good reason to police the forums the way they do, as they’ve had a long history of abusive posters in the past. By policing the forums in such a manner though, they’ve indirectly instilled a sense of hostillity towards those who don’t see things the way they do…it might be a matter of defending products offered elsewhere, or something less trivial than that. Either way if you don’t see things their way, you’re almost immediately outcasted. You’d like to defend your point, but when doing so gets you banned you really don’t have many options. Its not like they intended things to be this way…I guess you could blame it on all the illegimate companies out there. It still leaves a sour taste in your mouth though. > > After a while you start asking yourself “whats the point?” Sigma, Sorry to hear that you’re through posting over at LS. Quite a loss for them. You’re a very wise and experienced pherouser/poster. I still post there on occasion (not as much as I used to), whenever I have time, posting to good friends, and once in a while helping out a newbie. A314 is a very tough nut to crack. In comparison to the game of chess, -none or -nol products may put you in the position of “check” in the immediate move. A314 on the other hand may not provide you immediate results, but can possibly put you in the position of “checkmate” several moves down the line. Heck I really didn’t see the potential of A314 until I went into that job interview along with IS and IH. It’s very easy to see why a lot of people can’t seem to get any noticable effects out of A314. It is unfortunate that there are those that are quite rabid in their beliefs/disbeliefs. Although it is very entertaining to watch them, as Catlord17 puts it, hang themselves. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/44 "2006-07-04T21:50:51Z")
> [@SwingerMD](#): > > Sigma, > > Sorry to hear that you’re through posting over at LS. Quite a loss for them. You’re a very wise and experienced pherouser/poster. > > I still post there on occasion (not as much as I used to), whenever I have time, posting to good friends, and once in a while helping out a newbie. > > A314 is a very tough nut to crack. In comparison to the game of chess, -none or -nol products may put you in the position of “check” in the immediate move. A314 on the other hand may not provide you immediate results, but can possibly put you in the position of “checkmate” several moves down the line. Heck I really didn’t see the potential of A314 until I went into that job interview along with IS and IH. > > It’s very easy to see why a lot of people can’t seem to get any noticable effects out of A314. It is unfortunate that there are those that are quite rabid in their beliefs/disbeliefs. Although it is very entertaining to watch them, as Catlord17 puts it, hang themselves. > > -SwingerMD Thanks for that. What you say about checkmating someone in several moves with a314 is right on key. A314 has some pretty profound effects, although the effects are far more subtle than most other products. Its hard to put the effects of A314 into words, but the hits you get from it are more genuine and deep, as opposed to being in your face, spontaneous, and at times, superficial. A314 really makes a lasting impression on people. It may not work as well to the reclusive types, but if you’re willing to open yourself up to people while on A314, they’ll really take to the effects. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/45 "2006-07-04T21:51:56Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > He made an ass out of himself without ever realizing it. I almost feel bad for the blind-sided LS loyalists. They’re really missing out IMO. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. People will do what they want to do. It’s a lot less stressful if you allow them to, and seek your own happiness instead. This is a lesson I am learning. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/46 "2006-07-04T23:56:02Z")
> [@SwingerMD](#): > > Sigma, > > Sorry to hear that you’re through posting over at LS. Quite a loss for them. You’re a very wise and experienced pherouser/poster. > > I still post there on occasion (not as much as I used to), whenever I have time, posting to good friends, and once in a while helping out a newbie. > > A314 is a very tough nut to crack. In comparison to the game of chess, -none or -nol products may put you in the position of “check” in the immediate move. A314 on the other hand may not provide you immediate results, but can possibly put you in the position of “checkmate” several moves down the line. Heck I really didn’t see the potential of A314 until I went into that job interview along with IS and IH. > > It’s very easy to see why a lot of people can’t seem to get any noticable effects out of A314. It is unfortunate that there are those that are quite rabid in their beliefs/disbeliefs. Although it is very entertaining to watch them, as Catlord17 puts it, hang themselves. > > -SwingerMD It’s been such a nightmare for me to describe, that’s why we ended up describing from user comments over time. Still, I feel as if I need to hire one of the more brilliant writers in the world to summarize it clearly & concisely. It’s so different than what most people expect when they [buy pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) , I’ve even considered taking it from the market, or limiting it to experienced users only (Remember, to most people, the word pheromone has the definition “instant sex juice” in most people’s heads thanks to both ads and the way they’re portrayed in movies & on TV). Basically, A314 used without other products alters your _status_. It alters how people _re_act to **your** _actions_. It doesn’t seem to make people fall down, gag, giggle, DIHL or do anything out of the orindary. They’ve run into other high status people before. They can contain themselves just fine. But what’s really going on is what you don’t see… until you act. I’m used enough to the effect by now to know it, when you have initiative, A314 just lets you “get away” with a heck of a lot. For every day life, it’s like a fantasy tool for the assertive, where other people genuinely seem interested in fulfilling your requests. Even romantically, it can work well if you play a sort of traditional masculine role. For instance, I can _assertively_ embrace a woman I’ve been around a little while, plant a kiss on her, and have it end up just fine (quite unlike what used to happen to me when I conducted such behavior experiments before! 🙂) As long as she’s NOT showing signs of repulsion before hand, I can be assertive in a very traditional masculine manner, and things always seem to work out better than expected. Now, on the other hand, if you’re meek or socially conservative, A314 used without modification with alpha-nol, etc. is only going to frustrate you. In fact, I can see it being something of a nightmare for such men. The only exception I can think of is for the work environment. For whatever reason(s), in those environments, most of our users tend to report being treated something like a bar of gold with legs. It really excels in business environments, and most people will be able to see positive effects at work, regardless of social skill or temperament. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/47 "2006-07-05T00:17:04Z")
A314, bad boy mones and congruence > [@](#): > > Basically, A314 used without other products alters your _status_. > > It alters how people _re_act to **your** _actions_. > … > For instance, I can _assertively_ embrace a woman I’ve been around a little while, plant a kiss on her, and have it end up just fine (quite unlike what used to happen to me when I conducted such behavior experiments before! 🙂) Yes, this is very true (as you say, best not hesitate). I’m curious about the impact of A314 when mixed with bad boy mones at relaxed social environmehts - parties/bars etc Have tended to steer clear of A314 outside of work as was concerned would overly intimidate people and they wouldn’t open up to me as easily. Does A314 + high none (including perhaps The Edge) lead to incongruence? > [@](#): > > Now, on the other hand, if you’re meek or socially conservative, A314 used without modification with alpha-nol, etc. is only going to frustrate you. In fact, I can see it being something of a nightmare for such men. Do go on … ? ---
**Author:** ![Dancing\_Joker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dancing_joker/32/1924_2.png) [@Dancing\_Joker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dancing_Joker)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 4:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/48 "2006-07-05T04:19:13Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > The only exception I can think of is for the work environment. For whatever reason(s), in those environments, most of our users tend to report being treated something like a bar of gold with legs. > > It really excels in business environments, and most people will be able to see positive effects at work, regardless of social skill or temperament. I definitely see this with AA314 in the workplace. When I wear my AA314-based work mix, I’m treated at times by people in my department as if I was the employee of the month, and everyone shows me a lot of respect and praise. This is not to say it’s not earned since I work hard and like to get things done right, but this is above and beyond the usual “good job!” to the point where I’m almost celebrated, patted on the back, and praised to everyone else. Of course, I mix some IS in there as well, but I know that the bulk of the positive effects are from AA314. It definitely lets me get away with a lot more (mistakes are more acceptable, interactions are more deferential, people seem to bend over backwards to help me). It’s definitely good stuff 😃 😛 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/49 "2006-07-05T06:40:40Z")
> [@Dancing\_Joker](#): > > I definitely see this with AA314 in the workplace. When I wear my AA314-based work mix, I’m treated at times by people in my department as if I was the employee of the month, and everyone shows me a lot of respect and praise. This is not to say it’s not earned since I work hard and like to get things done right, but this is above and beyond the usual “good job!” to the point where I’m almost celebrated, patted on the back, and praised to everyone else. Of course, I mix some IS in there as well, but I know that the bulk of the positive effects are from AA314. It definitely lets me get away with a lot more (mistakes are more acceptable, interactions are more deferential, people seem to bend over backwards to help me). > > It’s definitely good stuff 😃 😛 🙂 Too bad I work for myself. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 8:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/50 "2006-07-05T08:24:41Z")
Hey I just saw this thread. Well I support you 100% Sigma. You are a good bloke and an interesting poster so it really is their loss. 🙂 That Bronzie is up-himself and definitely a suck-up to Bruce and to a lot of people there. I remember in one thread he praised Bruce for his scientific knowledge lol when he admitted that he was just copying an article in wikipedia. He is big on praising those with PhDs or any kind of qualifications and seems to make generalisations all the time. And the silly argument he kept having with another Aussie poster there about “Aussie women being the most beautiful in the world” shows what the guy is about. I think we shouldn’t be too hard on people though. This forum may be populated by anyone sooner or later so just take it as it comes. We may get closed-minded people sooner or later but as long as the open-minded are running the roost then all should be well. Catlord, I am sorry if I was a bit mean regarding your Pherlure experiences initially in LS. I was just being critical I guess. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/51 "2006-07-05T13:13:10Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Hey I just saw this thread. > > Well I support you 100% Sigma. You are a good bloke and an interesting poster so it really is their loss. 🙂 > > That Bronzie is up-himself and definitely a suck-up to Bruce and to a lot of people there. I remember in one thread he praised Bruce for his scientific knowledge lol when he admitted that he was just copying an article in wikipedia. He is big on praising those with PhDs or any kind of qualifications and seems to make generalisations all the time. And the silly argument he kept having with another Aussie poster there about “Aussie women being the most beautiful in the world” shows what the guy is about. > > I think we shouldn’t be too hard on people though. This forum may be populated by anyone sooner or later so just take it as it comes. We may get closed-minded people sooner or later but as long as the open-minded are running the roost then all should be well. > > Catlord, I am sorry if I was a bit mean regarding your Pherlure experiences initially in LS. I was just being critical I guess. > > Visionary Thanks You really can’t blame Bronzie for his reactions…though he was out of line, he simply didn’t know any better. Much like a lot of posters there, all he knows and trusts is LS. Its understandable really, considering the sheer number of illegimate products out there, and the fact that the mods at LS filter out any talk of legitimate products being offered elsewhere. They have an unconditional, unquestioning trust in anything offered by LS, and an unconditional, unquestioning distrust of anything offered by anyone else. I have no hard feelings for anyone there. The way they run things over there just makes it pointless for me to participate any longer. I mean, I can’t even post the real ingredients behind my mixes, knowing the post will get edited anyway. So what’s the point? The only products from LS I really use anymore are EW and NPA…sometimes PI. Not to sound smug or anything, but I feel like I’ve outgrown LS. Its not a matter of me being more of an expert of pheromones, because there are people still locked in the LS bubble that know a whole lot more than I…What I _have_ outgrown however, is the closed-minded environment perpetuated there. Its funny how I’ve been at LS far longer than here, but have felt a greater sense of an actual community in the few months that I’ve been here. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/52 "2006-07-05T14:05:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Its funny how I’ve been at LS far longer than here, but have felt a greater sense of an actual community in the few months that I’ve been here. i personally believe its due to the lack of censorship… but i can be wrong:o ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/53 "2006-07-05T17:59:58Z")
LMAO! Something has just kicked off over there that has been brewing for a while now, but I bet you anything the person who SHOULD be getting some kind of reprimand for his actions, sails off scot-free - as per usual. Boy am I glad I really don’t go there other than to see the people I know from here posting, any more. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wonderbiff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@Wonderbiff](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wonderbiff)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/54 "2007-01-07T02:34:14Z")
I am certainly glad I found this site before I found LS. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 2:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/55 "2007-01-07T02:47:39Z")
…i wish people would stop resurrecting these threads ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 3:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428/56 "2007-01-07T03:08:31Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > …i wish people would stop resurrecting these threads Maybe it’s time to “archive” some of them. Don’t know if there is a way to inactivate them to new posts. 😕 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-kicked-outta-better-places-then-l-s/428.md?page=2)