# Been playing with Meo-Est again **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 29, 2008, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333 "2008-12-29T06:30:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/1 "2008-12-29T06:30:53Z")
Well Diane inspired me with her Kathleen Turner post to try out my Meo-Est the last few days. So I went over my notes, (I have 2 chapters in Meo ) This molecule is very difficult to grasp. I would not suggest it to someone new to the Pheroworld. Tacitus mentions its a female molecule modified into male form making it a odd ball of a molecule. I agree with this. Something about it feels wrong, not in a bad way but in a unfamiliar way. On its own, in the past I have used it from 15mcg to 20mcg… More then that puts me in a unfocused state. I cant tell you what happens during this state cause frankly I dont remember. Its like I function by my brain doesn’t record it or like I am watching it from outside myself. I never use it close to bedtime even in low amounts , I learned that early in my testing. Weird ass dreams that leave you more tired when you wake then when you went to sleep. I believe it doesn’t allow your brain to enter rem sleep, You sort of stay in this strange twilight sleep unsure if your sleeping or awake. I dont like that feeling. On its own at 15 to 25 mcg its pleasant calm, No reactions other then slight increase in affection noticed from others. Nothing really stands out about it and says “Ah Ha this is what it does” . It seems Dependant on what you use with it, sort of steering other molecules. Its the chameleon of molecules changing with its environment and peoples moods. I decided because Jasmin had once mentioned to me to use more to go with 30 to 50 mcgs. As long as its with something else the fogginess isnt so bad. With TAL I notice what I like to call the “MOM” effect. I start to nit pick at everything. Husband is more affectionate and accommodating but not to the extent that something like EST will do. Meo was at 30mcg With TAF, I become extremely organized. Everything in its place, Hey that doesn’t go there fix it… Your doing that wrong … Here let me do it… Great to get you organized but a pain in the ass to those around you. Nothing erotic here like Tacitus experienced then again all of his results are unusual as he is a unusual person. Plus I dont get erections so cant comment on that. (snort) 😛 I did try to see if my husband was getting one but got distracted by his shirt tail which was sticking out at a weird angle. Made me want to fix it and it drove me nuts. Usually I could give a shit about his shirt tail . Meo was at 40 mcg With TAC I just get to laid back and friendly, Almost like I just smoked a bone. I move into the foggy dreamlike state at a much lower dose. My head feels heavy and unattached at the same time. One of the few times I felt a Physical response to mones. I dont like it. meo was at 20 mcg With copulins my husband did react… I on the other hand didnt feel like it which of course shocked him cause I am a bit of a nympho. He asked if I was not feeling well. My response… I cant feel anything. I thought he was gonna call the ambulance. I assured him it was just the post holiday exhaustion and a nap would make me feel better. This was today, Sunday, by the way… So I took a nap (although I knew better) and had some really strange horrible dreams involving my son bleeding from his nose and me not being able to stop it. The kid from Harry Potter was there to dont ask me why. He kept yelling at me, your a witch you can stop this. But I couldn’t and he wouldn’t shut up so I melted him into pile of dung beetles. Still couldn’t stop the bleeding and let me tell you there was more blood then humanly possible. It was so freaking real I woke up sobbing and ran to his room to check him. He asked me if I was on drugs. Meo was at 50 mcg Oh I wanted to add, my husband told me I only napped for 20 minutes but in my dream it felt like hours. Not sure if people have a perception of time in dreams but it left me feeling like time stopped. Yes I know weird My final thought on Meo-Est, Its not for me at least not in **high dosages**. (which really werent that high compared to what some use) I cant tell you what it does. It like taking LSD it leads you where it wants to. It has a mind of its own. Its schizophrenic. It leaves me to freaked out. I will test again at lower dosages which gave me better results in the past although still not consistent ones. Not on the top of my mone favorites at this time. Oh well I tried Diane ☹ Tisha PS Keep in mind, these are just my personal results and may just be how it reacts with my chemistry. Others have had better luck with it. Just go’s to show mones are not a one size fits all product. ---
**Author:** ![bond007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bond007/32/1076_2.png) [@bond007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bond007)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 7:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/2 "2008-12-29T07:11:06Z")
no wonder ur talking to me… wow… this is incredible… i hope ur now in a controlled state of being and mind tish… 🙂 (i dont know if i would call this “playing” seems kinda serious… but as long as ur not getting erections i dont think it will kill u 😉) bond ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 7:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/3 "2008-12-29T07:24:06Z")
> [@](#): > > (i dont know if i would call this “playing” seems kinda serious… but as long as ur not getting erections i dont think it will kill u 😉) LOL Thanks I needed that laugh, A few of the guys, NBully and Tacitus reported erections with it as well as erotic sexual feelings when used with the right products. Which is why I mentioned it LOL > [@](#): > > no wonder ur talking to me… wow… this is incredible I always talk to you LOL, I am a bit wary about sleeping though. I dont want to revisit Harry Potter. It has to be worn off by now. I took two showers. Still feel a little out of sorts. Sort of disappointed to but hey every mone cant be my favorite 😃 I think I am gonna try to sleep now, If you hear screaming that will be me and not cause I am having fun. 😛 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bond007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bond007/32/1076_2.png) [@bond007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bond007)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 7:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/4 "2008-12-29T07:29:31Z")
u brought many thoughts i dont want to get into there tish… believe me when i tell u, have sweet dreams… i think ur a trooper to try this one out, stick in there… i dont think there should be any post-effects… but if there r ill have a pm sitting waiting to be sent 😉 lol bond ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 10:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/5 "2008-12-29T10:15:54Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > _ **Well Diane inspired me with her Kathleen Turner post to try out my Meo-Est the last few days.** _ Makes me think of her in Body Heat! 😃 > [@](#): > > \*\* _Tacitus mentions its a female molecule modified into male form making it a odd ball of a molecule. I agree with this. Something about it feels wrong, not in a bad way but in a unfamiliar way_.\*\* Hmm, I’m an oddball… > [@](#): > > _ **With TAF, I become extremely organized.** _ Everything in its _place, Hey that doesn’t go there fix it… Your doing that wrong … Here let me do it… Great to get you organized but a pain in the ass to those around you. **Nothing erotic here like Tacitus experienced then again all of his results are unusual as he is a unusual person. Plus I dont get erections so cant comment on that. (snort) 😛 I did try to see if my husband was getting one but got distracted by his shirt tail which was sticking out at a weird angle. Made me want to fix it and it drove me nuts.** Usually I could give a shit about his shirt._ Under normal circumstances TAF isn’t erotic for me either. However, under the right conditions and by that I mean with the distractions dialed down… applied in a sexual mix it’s _very_ erotic for me. So, this combination might actually work for me. Only I don’t think more than 10mcg or so of Meo-Est with the TAF. I’ll make sure to take Wolfie’s shirt off _first_, Tisha, so I’m not distracted…I mean by the shirt…😃 > [@](#): > > - On its own, in the past I have used it from 15mcg to 20mcg… **More then that puts me in a unfocused state.** I cant tell you what happens during this state cause frankly I dont remember. **Its like I function by my brain doesn’t record it or like I am watching it from outside myself.** This is kinda how I feel with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). > [@](#): > > _ **With TAC I just get to laid back and friendly** _, Almost like I just smoked a bone. I move into the foggy dreamlike state at a much lower dose. **My head feels heavy and unattached at the same time. One of the few times I felt a Physical response to mones. I dont like it.** meo was at 20 mcg Again, I feel like that with too high a dose of P83. I get a physical response to a few of them. TAC is another, also TAF and P79. The P83 feeling, especially at high dose can tow me under. It takes some real pull to do that to me. While it does make me feel relaxed, sensual and willing to go with the program it saps me of my enthusiasm to energetically participate. 😮 Sure, go ahead, what he’s doing is great but it kinda makes me feel too relaxed…like a lox. I am so _not_ like a lox. I don’t like it either. > [@](#): > > \ ***With copulins my husband did react…** \*_ **My response… I cant feel anything.** _ 😮 > [@](#): > > _ **I thought he was gonna call the ambulance.** _ 😛 > [@](#): > > _ **I only napped for 20 minutes but in my dream it felt like hours. Not sure if people have a perception of time in dreams but it left me feeling like time stopped.** _ _ **Yes I know weird.** _ That’s interesting and not so weird. If it makes you feel any better, TAF does that to me. It suspends time. Maybe that’s because I’m so in tune and occupied, with what’s presented to me, it just seems to slip away. > [@](#): > > _ **It like taking LSD it leads you where it wants to. It has a mind of its own. Its schizophrenic. It leaves me to freaked out. I will test again at lower dosages which gave me better results in the past although still not consistent ones. Not on the top of my mone favorites at this time.** _ And so it goes…thanks for experimenting with it, Tisha. That was a great report. Reps. 😉 Sorry about the nightmares. > [@](#): > > _PS Keep in mind, these are just my personal results and may just be how it reacts with my chemistry. **Others have had better luck** with it. Just go’s to show_\* mones are not a one size fits all product\*\*\*. That’s for sure. Diane and I have also had different results with the same molecules. TAF for one. I’m placing an order, including Meo-Est, tomorrow. I’ve been wanting to try it for some time. You say it has chameleon effects, that sounds like how some of the putatives work. You’ve peaked my curiosity enough, about the differences you’ve experienced in effects, for me to try it and see what it can do for me. I’ll let ya. know. Bella ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/6 "2008-12-29T15:38:50Z")
Wow, excellent report on meo-est! I’ve read some reports on this one, but not as thorough. I don’t understand why it’s called meo- **est** though cause it doesn’t seem to have any est-like reactions or self effects. > [@tisha23](#): > > with her Kathleen Turner post to try out my Meo-Est the last few days. Yea, that is quite tempting. > [@tisha23](#): > > Weird ass dreams that leave you more tired when you wake then when you went to sleep. I may be weird…but I find that pretty cool! except for the tired part. > [@tisha23](#): > > With copulins my husband did react… I on the other hand didnt feel like it which of course shocked him cause I am a bit of a nympho. He asked if I was not feeling well. My response… I cant feel anything. I thought he was gonna call the ambulance. I assured him it was just the post holiday exhaustion and a nap would make me feel better. This was today, Sunday, by the way… So I took a nap (although I knew better) and had some really strange horrible dreams involving my son bleeding from his nose and me not being able to stop it. **The kid from Harry Potter was there to dont ask me why. He kept yelling at me, your a witch you can stop this. But I couldn’t and he wouldn’t shut up so I melted him into pile of dung beetles.** Still couldn’t stop the bleeding and let me tell you there was more blood then humanly possible. It was so freaking real I woke up sobbing and ran to his room to check him. He asked me if I was on drugs. Meo was at 50 mcg LOL!!! OMG, I literally fell of my chair laughing, ---
**Author:** ![busybee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/busybee/32/1871_2.png) [@busybee](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/busybee)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/7 "2009-01-01T03:04:07Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I never use it close to bedtime even in low amounts , I learned that early in my testing. Weird ass dreams that leave you more tired when you wake then when you went to sleep. I believe it doesn’t allow your brain to enter rem sleep, You sort of stay in this strange twilight sleep unsure if your sleeping or awake. I dont like that feeling. I tried Meo-Est (100mcg), P103, TAF, TUTH with my wife after reading some of Diane’s posts. She also had dreams… Erotic ones. She claims she can’t remember ever having erotic dreams before… Maybe the TUTH had something to do with the subject matter? You might try this combo. -Bee ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/8 "2009-01-01T03:48:24Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well Diane inspired me with her Kathleen Turner post to try out my Meo-Est the last few days. So I went over my notes, (I have 2 chapters in Meo ) This molecule is very difficult to grasp. I would not suggest it to someone new to the Pheroworld. > > Tacitus mentions its a female molecule modified into male form making it a odd ball of a molecule. I agree with this. Something about it feels wrong, not in a bad way but in a unfamiliar way. > > On its own, in the past I have used it from 15mcg to 20mcg… More then that puts me in a unfocused state. I cant tell you what happens during this state cause frankly I dont remember. Its like I function by my brain doesn’t record it or like I am watching it from outside myself. > > I never use it close to bedtime even in low amounts , I learned that early in my testing. Weird ass dreams that leave you more tired when you wake then when you went to sleep. I believe it doesn’t allow your brain to enter rem sleep, You sort of stay in this strange twilight sleep unsure if your sleeping or awake. I dont like that feeling. > > On its own at 15 to 25 mcg its pleasant calm, No reactions other then slight increase in affection noticed from others. Nothing really stands out about it and says “Ah Ha this is what it does” . > > It seems Dependant on what you use with it, sort of steering other molecules. Its the chameleon of molecules changing with its environment and peoples moods. > > I decided because Jasmin had once mentioned to me to use more to go with 30 to 50 mcgs. As long as its with something else the fogginess isnt so bad. > > With TAL I notice what I like to call the “MOM” effect. I start to nit pick at everything. Husband is more affectionate and accommodating but not to the extent that something like EST will do. Meo was at 30mcg > > With TAF, I become extremely organized. Everything in its place, Hey that doesn’t go there fix it… Your doing that wrong … Here let me do it… Great to get you organized but a pain in the ass to those around you. Nothing erotic here like Tacitus experienced then again all of his results are unusual as he is a unusual person. Plus I dont get erections so cant comment on that. (snort) 😛 I did try to see if my husband was getting one but got distracted by his shirt tail which was sticking out at a weird angle. Made me want to fix it and it drove me nuts. Usually I could give a shit about his shirt tail . Meo was at 40 mcg > > With TAC I just get to laid back and friendly, Almost like I just smoked a bone. I move into the foggy dreamlike state at a much lower dose. My head feels heavy and unattached at the same time. One of the few times I felt a Physical response to mones. I dont like it. meo was at 20 mcg > > With copulins my husband did react… I on the other hand didnt feel like it which of course shocked him cause I am a bit of a nympho. He asked if I was not feeling well. My response… I cant feel anything. I thought he was gonna call the ambulance. I assured him it was just the post holiday exhaustion and a nap would make me feel better. This was today, Sunday, by the way… So I took a nap (although I knew better) and had some really strange horrible dreams involving my son bleeding from his nose and me not being able to stop it. The kid from Harry Potter was there to dont ask me why. He kept yelling at me, your a witch you can stop this. But I couldn’t and he wouldn’t shut up so I melted him into pile of dung beetles. Still couldn’t stop the bleeding and let me tell you there was more blood then humanly possible. It was so freaking real I woke up sobbing and ran to his room to check him. He asked me if I was on drugs. Meo was at 50 mcg > > Oh I wanted to add, my husband told me I only napped for 20 minutes but in my dream it felt like hours. Not sure if people have a perception of time in dreams but it left me feeling like time stopped. Yes I know weird > > My final thought on Meo-Est, Its not for me at least not in **high dosages**. (which really werent that high compared to what some use) I cant tell you what it does. It like taking LSD it leads you where it wants to. It has a mind of its own. Its schizophrenic. It leaves me to freaked out. I will test again at lower dosages which gave me better results in the past although still not consistent ones. Not on the top of my mone favorites at this time. > > Oh well I tried Diane ☹ > > Tisha > > PS Keep in mind, these are just my personal results and may just be how it reacts with my chemistry. Others have had better luck with it. Just go’s to show mones are not a one size fits all product. Wow, this was an awesome post. Meo-Est just gives me nice shimmery dreams… I wear between 30-100 mcg on a daily basis. Today I sprayed on 50 mcg neat… got the same reaction I always do… I instantly wanted to start layering on other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/)! LOL! This time I didn’t do it, though. No other reaction with the Meo-Est except for the feeling of everying slowing down nicely. Your bad reaction - that is very similar to what I get with 4 sprays of Shine with anything else. Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/9 "2009-01-01T03:59:06Z")
> [@msselva](#): > > Wow, excellent report on meo-est! I’ve read some reports on this one, but not as thorough. I don’t understand why it’s called meo- **est** though cause it doesn’t seem to have any est-like reactions or self effects. Meo- Est is short for: **Me** th\*\*-o\*\*xy- **est** ra-tetra-e-none Est is short for: Estra-tetra-enol They are not all that similar. Just their short names are similar. Diane ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 9:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/10 "2009-01-01T09:02:30Z")
Actually Meo stands for Male Est stands for Est- ra-tetra-enol From what Tacitus said it EST modified into male form. By The way Speaking of EST had anyone looked in the store. Jassy and Steve left a little ESTra special surprise 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/11 "2009-01-01T13:20:02Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Actually Meo stands for Male Est stands for Est- ra-tetra-enol > > From what Tacitus said it EST modified into male form. > > By The way Speaking of EST had anyone looked in the store. Jassy and Steve left a little ESTra special surprise 😃 > > Tisha 😮 Yay! Got one! 😃 Diane ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 5:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/12 "2009-01-04T05:48:00Z")
Wow! That disappeared fast. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 6:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/13 "2009-01-04T06:20:21Z")
I went to see if there is any est left, and they were gone. I was really shocked! lol ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 6:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/been-playing-with-meo-est-again/24333/14 "2009-01-04T06:45:49Z")
> [@msselva](#): > > I went to see if there is any est left, and they were gone. I was really shocked! lol There were only a dozen bottles. Diane