# before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 5, 2006, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476 "2006-07-05T17:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/1 "2006-07-05T17:01:40Z")
There is so much fragmented information about the [putative pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/) properties. We should make notes here about all we have learned to date regarding the behaviors of these molecules. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/2 "2006-07-05T17:20:39Z")
Experiences with P79 and P80 These are the two that I have focused on. Both are strongly male… and higher doses can engender a potent man energy. This can be intimidating and heavy male vibe to some. P79 appears to be more of a “doing” impulse, sort of tribal male wood carving, field clearing, working through the day, cut the shit and get it done… pretty young things find it attractive and shocking. Can have a kind of authoritarian firmness to it (that is sometimes called for) where P80 seems like it has a “being” contemplative maleness… like kicking back in the evening after work and thinking about the day while still in man mode. Together as a P79/P80 they produce a kind of USMC officer quality in larger doses, and a dependable solid mature guy energy in lower doses… there is this interesting “I have no illusions about human nature” thinking that goes along with it… probably best in judicious 10 mu per phero squirt doses, a little goes a long way and establishes a lot of respect and some intensity, like you want to inhabit your best, most grounded self… and yeah, some beautiful young women got hot for me too… spontaneously giving me their number, all moist and … you know…😉 ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/3 "2006-07-06T19:14:28Z")
TAC + Meo-EST (WAGG:EST:BNOL @ 3:1:1 drops) + 3 drops of (A314:SoE@1:3) + TAC (10mcg) + MeoEST (20mcg) Specifically, TAC + Meo-EST seems to have a loosening/laid-back & funny effect on myself. I actually cracked more jokes than usual today. This combo also seems to remotely boost the expressiveness of nearby females. What started off as work discussion tapered into lengthy/animated happy-talk & play. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/4 "2006-07-06T20:26:00Z")
TAC has a spontaneous hilarity promoting quality and MEO-EST does something unusual… I have never gotten a crisp outline of what it does in every case… sort of brings out unexpected sides and deepens things … so I could see how TAC + MEO-EST would lean to the humorous-mellow. [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) seems to be in this category too, so P74+TAC+MEO-EST might be good fun, social, maybe a bit ridiculous… ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/5 "2006-07-06T20:35:12Z")
I’m kicking up my Isexi/W, LAM and TAH mix with some of my newly-acquired Meo-Est this weekend, and I’m hoping it deepens the sexual side, so I will report back, as I haven’t really seen any takes from women on Meo-est used in that way. Just as long as it doesn’t turn “The Man” into a blathering bunny rabbit, I’ll be happy. Blathering bunny rabbit is all well and good in the right time and place, but that is NOT my goal this weekend.. Not a chance. ^\_\_\_\_~ Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2006, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/6 "2006-07-07T06:08:44Z")
[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) 30mcg 1st hour upon application : more friendly, approachability, greetings, hi!, “bonding” nicknames calling from my young herd of male kids. Adult males & females (22-55yo) smiling, chit-chat, more greetings than usual. More like a combined effects of WAGG+SoE, not goofy but approachable + laid-back small talk from others. Eye-contact is required for others to start talking. However, P74 doesn’t seem to work in more serious discussions though (i.e. work) but WAGG does. P74 responses are “unisex”, equal in intensity & response types on both genders (excluding gays). It seems to affect others more than myself, whereas WAGG and/or TAC affects myself & others equally. Effects start to taper off in the 2nd hour. Almost non-existant on the 3rd. Doesn’t last long in my weather. One of these days, I’m gonna have a blast with IS, WAGG, P74, TAC & Meo-EST 😃 although it was noted by tacitus that TAA+TAC doesn’t work quite well together (pull in different directions) i2w ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 4:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/7 "2006-07-08T04:16:55Z")
This is a good thread can others chime in on their experiences with the putatives pretty please 🙂 I have been trying P78. It reminds me a little of A1 - has some of the magnetising properties of A1 on women but has a different effect on men. They, including me the wearer, seem less verbal, friendly and a bit ‘spacey’. On the other hand women seem quite friendly although I do not think it has quite the mood lift and ‘intimacy’ vibe that A1 has for the gals. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/8 "2006-07-08T04:23:18Z")
A post from 3 weeks ago from Jasmin in the ‘TAH is magic’ thread: > [@Jasmin](#): > > _Yes, P79. It had me a little.. “randy”. Okay, a lot randy. I almost didn’t know what to DO with myself._ > > _I was randy at a time where it didn’t really make sense, either. I wasn’t ovulating or mensturating. And I definititely wasn’t on a Fijian beach having coconut oil spead on my back by chiseled German supermodels…_ > > _I think it would play well in a “seduction mix”, because my maaan seemed to like it, too. It’s really deep… primordial. Very sensual and detailed. Interesting paired with bnol or [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/)._ > > _I know very soon we’re going to release a few mixes that incorporate P79 so keep your eyes peeled!!_ Has anyone else found anything sexual about P79?😕 Visionary ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 4:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/9 "2006-07-08T04:56:39Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > A post from 3 weeks ago from Jasmin in the ‘TAH is magic’ thread: > > Has anyone else found anything sexual about P79?😕 > > Visionary Hmm . . . interesting. I was drawing blanks on p79. Perhaps dosage was off and/or needs some bnol or TAF to bring things to the surface. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 6:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/10 "2006-07-08T06:09:43Z")
> [@SwingerMD](#): > > Hmm . . . interesting. I was drawing blanks on p79. Perhaps dosage was off and/or needs some bnol or TAF to bring things to the surface. > > -SwingerMD Hey Swinger, I would like your thoughts on P77. Is this one still a dud for you? Have you tried really high and really low dosages of it and also combining it with ‘mainline’ products like A314, IS, IH, and IO? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 1:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/11 "2006-07-08T13:08:57Z")
Strong P74 around 100-150 mu I’m getting remarkable social results with P74 when the dosage is upped… either alone or put into mixes… at higher levels it really opens up converstaion and approacability… in a not so alpha-nol way, not so romantic, more **hyper-empathetic** … P79 may be one of those that some respond to more than others… neither P79 not P80 seem like they are inherently “reproductive”, like androstenone is… haven’t tried [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/)-P78 yet… some of these also appear to work as adjuncts, where the full effect will appear if used in combination with A314 or another balanced blend… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 1:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/12 "2006-07-08T13:12:12Z")
Instant Best Girlfriend I need to isolate exactly which components drive this effect, but on two occasions now I seem to have created an intense bonding between two girls who were around me (part of the group - one was into me, one wasn’t). I would guess that the catalyst is one or more of TAL, LAM, [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), P79. Aha - how funny. I just noticed Tac’s post above and I think it’s clear this results in part from the hyper-empathetic aspect of the P74 mega dose. Think I used 50 mcg (though by tac standards, that’s probably just a top-up boost 😉 I suppose it makes sense that copulins and TAL could contribute to breaking down barriers and that, just as with a none OD, a girl might attribute the mones to the most dominant girl nearby. Now that we are aware of this, it will be interesting to direct conversations along ways that exploit these aspects. Would love to play with some NLP patterns but I guess thats not necessary to learn more about this ‘circuit’. How long-lived do you find this mone to be? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 1:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/13 "2006-07-08T13:33:54Z")
Quoth Jasmin: "Yes, P79. It had me a little.. “randy”. Okay, a _lot_ randy. I almost didn’t know what to DO with myself. I was randy at a time where it didn’t really make sense, either. I wasn’t ovulating or mensturating. And I definititely wasn’t on a Fijian beach having coconut oil spead on my back by chiseled German supermodels… I think it would play well in a “seduction mix”, because my maaan seemed to like it, too. **It’s really deep… primordial**. Very sensual and detailed." Clearly something worth paying attention to is at work with P79, sometimes you have to cross a dosage threshold and then the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) “clicks into place” … what P79 does for me is up my male energy, I just feel more purposive, man like, goal driven… the female brain may read this as “high quality provider” … women’s brains are sooooo attuned to subtexts of protector, provider, non-needy, self sufficiency… P79 may be suggesting that… OTOH I’ve also observed that good old EST will add a super friendly, approachable, initmate vibe to the proceedings… EST is like a powerful sweetener… I’ve seen women literally get up and start dancing around saying the most outrageous uninhibited stuff in the presence of EST and P74… hard to believe we are looking at **millionths of a gram** here… ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/14 "2006-07-08T13:36:42Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > How long-lived do you find this mone to be? Impossible to say in each case relative to fixatives, monolaurin, etc… I did try a pure [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) test sprayed onto clothing… seemed to hold up for at least 3 hours… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/15 "2006-07-08T13:54:28Z")
P79, Est, [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) > [@](#): > > Clearly something worth paying attention to is at work with P79, sometimes you have to cross a dosage threshold and then the pheromone > “clicks into place” … what P79 does for me is up my male energy, I just feel more purposive, man like, goal driven… the female brain may read this as “high quality provider” … women’s brains are sooooo attuned to subtexts of protector, provider, non-needy, self sufficiency… P79 may be suggesting that… > > OTOH I’ve also observed that good old EST will add a super friendly, approachable, initmate vibe to the proceedings… EST is like a powerful sweetener… I’ve seen women literally get up and start dancing around saying the most outrageous uninhibited stuff in the presence of EST and P74… hard to believe we are looking at **millionths of a gram** here… do you find any dampening effect of P79 on playfulness? (ie would A314 +P79 be overly serious for, say, a club environment). I can’t say that I have noticed any such effect so far at 50 mcg. EST dosage? also wrt P79, EST, P74 - how directed have you found their impact to be? P79 seems to be attributable to the wearer. P74 so far seems to be more background music that changes the vibe. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/16 "2006-07-08T14:19:18Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > EST dosage? Depends on how sweet you like your tea. 25 mu could be nice and pleasant, 100 mu could get a bit googly, like people behave around a really cute baby > [@](#): > > also wrt P79, EST, P74 - how directed have you found their impact to be? P79 seems to be attributable to the wearer. P74 so far seems to be more background music that changes the vibe. That’s a good deliniation… [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) is a holistic togetherness feeling… “lets all go out to dinner” … P79 has a **indentity statement** thing about it… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/17 "2006-07-08T14:42:45Z")
putative ODs? So far - at the dosages I have tried (up to 150mcg) - there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of nasty OD for [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) or P79. ---
**Author:** ![ilsa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ilsa/32/1552_2.png) [@ilsa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ilsa)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 2:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/18 "2006-07-08T14:54:57Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > I’m kicking up my Isexi/W, LAM and TAH mix with some of my newly-acquired Meo-Est this weekend, and I’m hoping it deepens the sexual side, so I will report back, as I haven’t really seen any takes from women on Meo-est used in that way. > > Just as long as it doesn’t turn “The Man” into a blathering bunny rabbit, I’ll be happy. > > Blathering bunny rabbit is all well and good in the right time and place, but that is NOT my goal this weekend.. > > Not a chance. ^\_\_\_\_~ > > Ail 🙂 I have been adding 15mcg meo-est to my latest day mix, and people seem to treat me like a celebrity. I have had people running after me just to pay me a compliment. This mix has been very useful in situations where I am dealing with salespeople. They tend to ignore everyone else, and pay extra special attention to me. (And these are reactions from both men and women.) I was in Best Buy several nights ago looking at digital cameras, and the saleswomen left another customer who she was with just to help me. At first I thought that she might be a lesbian and that she was hitting on me, but she was telling me about her hubby and kids, so I don’t think so. She looked at me like she was in a daze. It was really weird. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/19 "2006-07-08T15:11:26Z")
I was wearing a complex mix that had TAC, [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), P79, P80, MEO-EST, A314 and whatever else… a friend’s cat went nuts with scent marking by rubbing it’s head against everything, passionately, while purring like an outboard boat engine… what’s with the cat ? It was like the cat was mopping up every surface with its head… bzzzzz… bzzzzz… bzzzz… and everyone in the room was cracking up with laughter because of the TAC… goog thing we weren’t around horses that day… ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/20 "2006-07-08T21:23:35Z")
> [@ilsa](#): > > I have been adding 15mcg meo-est to my latest day mix, and people seem to treat me like a celebrity. I have had people running after me just to pay me a compliment. > > This mix has been very useful in situations where I am dealing with salespeople. They tend to ignore everyone else, and pay extra special attention to me. (And these are reactions from both men and women.) > > I was in Best Buy several nights ago looking at digital cameras, and the saleswomen left another customer who she was with just to help me. At first I thought that she might be a lesbian and that she was hitting on me, but she was telling me about her hubby and kids, so I don’t think so. She looked at me like she was in a daze. It was really weird. Any observations of Meo-EST having an _inspiring & horny effects_ on males? 😃 I observed this on myself each time I used it. What effects does Meo-EST have on you, as a woman? Thanks. i2w [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476.md?page=2)