# Behind the Scenes -- MX Formula Cheat Sheets **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 28, 2010, 11:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364 "2010-03-28T23:14:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![yetis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/59ef9b/32.png) [@yetis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/yetis)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/21 "2010-04-21T00:44:47Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > But that would ruin blind testing and plant preconceived notions in someone’s mind which totally kills the reason for MXs, Ps, Ts, and their secrecy. I don’t think so. My intention and idea is to build up a library that everyone can study and read about the pheromones listed, and what they can do… It saves a lot of money, time, and re-reading all the threads and posts as well! An example: I want to mix A-Androstenol, B-Androstenol, Androsterone, Androstenone, TAA, TAF, P79, P74, Androstadienone, Androstanone, Copulins, Oxytocin, etc. in a small bottle. Which concentration of each ingredient do i need at minimum to be effective, and which concentration is an overdose? So you can fine-tune your own mixes and not to throw away money and waste your time for long-run testing all the dosages, or which pheromone buffers which, or which fits better with … Some of the above listed pheromones have effective dosages in microgram and some in nanogram, maybe some in picogram… I don’t want to have the exact dosage. More like: I can have 1 ncg/s till 50 mcg/s of this or that ingredient, and it’s overdoselevel starts at maybe 70 mcg/s… You know what i mean? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/22 "2010-04-21T00:57:23Z")
> [@yetis](#): > > I don’t think so. My intention and idea is to build up a library that everyone can study and read about the pheromones listed, and what they can do… It saves a lot of money, time, and re-reading all the threads and posts as well! > > An example: > I want to mix A-Androstenol, B-Androstenol, Androsterone, Androstenone, TAA, TAF, P79, P74, Androstadienone, Androstanone, Copulins, Oxytocin, etc. in a small bottle. Which concentration of each ingredient do i need at minimum to be effective, and which concentration is an overdose? > So you can fine-tune your own mixes and not to throw away money and waste your time for long-run testing all the dosages, or which pheromone buffers which, or which fits better with … > > Some of the above listed pheromones have effective dosages in microgram and some in nanogram, maybe some in picogram… > I don’t want to have the exact dosage. More like: > I can have 1 ncg/s till 50 mcg/s of this or that ingredient, and it’s overdoselevel starts at maybe 70 mcg/s… > > You know what i mean? Well, that’s the thing even though some claim to already know what a putative, MX, or T does chances are it will never be the same for everyone as we’re all unique to how we react to pheromones. That’s why testing and trial and error while paying close attention to what _you_ see effect wise is usually the best way to know what works for _you_. Sure it’ll be like having a clue that you can work with, but what good is a clue going to do if you’ll probably not receive the same hits/results? As far as a neutral dosage goes, that is also dependant on each individual. A little bit of -none for example can be very bad for others, while others can easily wear it at much higher doses without any negative reactions. There’s no standard dose, we’re all different. ---
**Author:** ![DssMaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dssmaster/32/1686_2.png) [@DssMaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DssMaster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/23 "2010-05-14T20:12:14Z")
> [@reddog](#): > > Only those MX’s that will be discontinued should be listed? I have to agree with reddog as well, only those MX’s that will be discontinued should be listed. I was hoping that [MX200](https://a314.com/product/mx200/) and MX203 did become new release products. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 4:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/24 "2010-08-04T04:48:47Z")
any others ever gonna be added to this list? ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/25 "2010-08-11T18:32:14Z")
Wow, thanks Jasmin, it’s an awesome post!!! It had to come from you! 😃 Very useful for continuing adjusting my personal mix ratios! 😃 Is there any other mx going to be disclosed? Thank you all, again! ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/26 "2010-10-10T08:05:59Z")
add MX353 to the list! > [@MX353 Formula](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx353-formula/41350): > > For those of you who really liked it and missed the MX353 release, here you go MX353 AndrostENONE 5mcg P79 10mcg [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) 10mcg P86 10mcg P102 10mcg TAF 5 mcg ---
**Author:** ![TheBoogieMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theboogieman/32/1136_2.png) [@TheBoogieMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBoogieMan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/27 "2010-10-19T17:54:51Z")
> [@reddog](#): > > Only those MX’s that will be discontinued should be listed? Which would mean pretty much all of them at this point. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lastninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/439d5e/32.png) [@lastninja](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lastninja)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/28 "2010-10-28T23:13:31Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > MX200 - Affectionately dubbed The “Asian Persuasion” Mix. > > Target sprays for optimum dosage: 3 Sprays. > > Pheromones per spray: > > TAA: 5 mcg/spray > TAF: 0.5 mcg/spray > TAH: 5 mcg/spray > TAL: 5 mcg/spray > > P74: 0.125 mcg/spray > P79: 5 mcg/spray > P83: 5 mcg/spray > P84: 0.125 mcg/spray > P85: 0.125 mcg/spray > P86: 0.125 mcg/spray > P87: 0.125 mcg/spray > > Androstenol: 5 mcg/spray > B-Androstenol: 0.5 mcg/spray > AndrosteRONE: 5.0 mcg/spray > AndrosteNONE: 0.125 mcg/spray Just had a question. If I wanted to create this mix, how much difference would it make to the original [MX200](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx200/) if I only included the 5mcg/spray items. The items that are listed as 0.125mcg & 0.5mcg end up being less than 5% of the total formula. Each 0.125mcg item takes 0.34% (x6) of the total formula and 0.5mcg item takes 1.36% (x2) of the total formula. This means 8 elements out of 15 which take less than 5%. 7 of the 15 producing 95% of the formula. Basically, I am looking to create this mix, but its really expensive to get all the elements listed. Taking out 5% almost halves the cost.(guesstimate). My question is will the 5% make that much of a difference to the overall effect. Hope someone can answer my questions. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/29 "2010-10-28T23:51:54Z")
> [@lastninja](#): > > Just had a question. If I wanted to create this mix, how much difference would it make to the original MX200 if I only included the 5mcg/spray items. The items that are listed as 0.125mcg & 0.5mcg end up being less than 5% of the total formula. Each 0.125mcg item takes 0.34% (x6) of the total formula and 0.5mcg item takes 1.36% (x2) of the total formula. > This means 8 elements out of 15 which take less than 5%. 7 of the 15 producing 95% of the formula. > > Basically, I am looking to create this mix, but its really expensive to get all the elements listed. Taking out 5% almost halves the cost.(guesstimate). My question is will the 5% make that much of a difference to the overall effect. > > Hope someone can answer my questions. Thanks Those are called steering molecules. If you can’t steer, you aint-a-goin 'nowhere ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/30 "2010-10-28T23:57:04Z")
> [@lastninja](#): > > Just had a question. If I wanted to create this mix, how much difference would it make to the original MX200 if I only included the 5mcg/spray items. The items that are listed as 0.125mcg & 0.5mcg end up being less than 5% of the total formula. Each 0.125mcg item takes 0.34% (x6) of the total formula and 0.5mcg item takes 1.36% (x2) of the total formula. > This means 8 elements out of 15 which take less than 5%. 7 of the 15 producing 95% of the formula. > > Basically, I am looking to create this mix, but its really expensive to get all the elements listed. Taking out 5% almost halves the cost.(guesstimate). My question is will the 5% make that much of a difference to the overall effect. > > Hope someone can answer my questions. Thanks Theres a reason why those putatives are there. Pheromones are not lego blocks. Theres a intricate dance and fusion among each and every molecule that gives it that particular effect. Taking even one element out of the formula no matter how minute the quantity can change the effect entirely. The putatives are not like Androstenol/androstenone/androsterone. You cant just do an abbreviated homebrew of MX200 with half the components missing and expect it to have the same vibe at all. I know it seems unreasonable as 125 nanograms doesnt seem like much of anything. Mixes are about the bigger picture not any single one component though. ---
**Author:** ![lastninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/439d5e/32.png) [@lastninja](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lastninja)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/31 "2010-10-29T04:14:50Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > Theres a reason why those putatives are there. Pheromones are not lego blocks. Theres a intricate dance and fusion among each and every molecule that gives it that particular effect. Taking even one element out of the formula no matter how minute the quantity can change the effect entirely. > > The putatives are not like Androstenol/androstenone/androsterone. You cant just do an abbreviated homebrew of MX200 with half the components missing and expect it to have the same vibe at all. I know it seems unreasonable as 125 nanograms doesnt seem like much of anything. Mixes are about the bigger picture not any single one component though. Thanks for the clarification. Just wondering, has anybody had experience in mixing [MX200](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx200/) themselves…and what was the outcome… What I’d be also interested in is, how much of each component and at what strength was used. OR could someone make suggestions on what mones i need to puchase to create it (I would prefer to buy them in 30ml bottles). thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/32 "2010-10-29T06:44:43Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > Theres a reason why those putatives are there. Pheromones are not lego blocks. Theres a intricate dance and fusion among each and every molecule that gives it that particular effect. Taking even one element out of the formula no matter how minute the quantity can change the effect entirely. > > The putatives are not like Androstenol/androstenone/androsterone. You cant just do an abbreviated homebrew of MX200 with half the components missing and expect it to have the same vibe at all. I know it seems unreasonable as 125 nanograms doesnt seem like much of anything. Mixes are about the bigger picture not any single one component though. How would you come by p84 in .0125 mcgs per spray? ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/33 "2010-10-29T11:39:50Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > How would you come by p84 in .0125 mcgs per spray? The best thing you can do is use a 2.5 mcg/spray bottle and dilute it down to 0.125 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/34 "2010-10-29T11:59:59Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > MX200 - Affectionately dubbed The “Asian Persuasion” Mix. > > Target sprays for optimum dosage: 3 Sprays. > > Pheromones per spray: > > TAA: 5 mcg/spray > TAF: 0.5 mcg/spray > TAH: 5 mcg/spray > TAL: 5 mcg/spray > > P74: 0.125 mcg/spray > P79: 5 mcg/spray > P83: 5 mcg/spray > P84: 0.125 mcg/spray > P85: 0.125 mcg/spray > P86: 0.125 mcg/spray > P87: 0.125 mcg/spray > > Androstenol: 5 mcg/spray > B-Androstenol: 0.5 mcg/spray > AndrosteRONE: 5.0 mcg/spray > AndrosteNONE: 0.125 mcg/spray > [@lastninja](#): > > Thanks for the clarification. > > Just wondering, has anybody had experience in mixing MX200 themselves…and what was the outcome… > > What I’d be also interested in is, how much of each component and at what strength was used. > > OR could someone make suggestions on what mones i need to puchase to create it (I would prefer to buy them in 30ml bottles). > > thanks in advance. TAA - 40 mcgs/spray 30 mL TAF - 5 or 7.5 mcgs/spray 30 mL TAH - 40 mcgs/spray 30 mL TAL - 40 mcgs/spray 30 mL [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) - 2.5 mcgs/spray 30 mL P79 - 40 mcgs/spray 30 mL P83 - 40 mcgs/spray 30 mL P84 - 2.5 mcgs/spray 30 mL P85 - 2.5 mcgs/spray 30 mL P86 - 2.5 mcgs/spray 30 mL P86 - 2.5 mcgs/spray 30 mL P87 - 2.5 mcgs/ spray 30 mL (This one is a pain to get as I havent seen it in stock ever since I joined) Androstenol - 40 mcgs/spray 30 mL Beta Androstenol - 5 mcgs/spray 30 mL Androsterone - 40 mcgs/spray 30 mL Androstenone - 2.5 mcgs/spray 30 mL Now this isnt to say you cant use other quantities of these putatives. Taking into consideration the amount of error that can happen when a amateur mixes so many components together these quantities I find off the top of my head to be the most practical and error reducing. You have 7x of 5 mcg spray elements so you need something like 35 mcgs a spray or over to keep a even distribution and to prevent yourself from putting too much or too little. For the 0.125 you need the lowest possible quantities for accuracy sake when you mix so 2.5 mcgs a spray is the obvious choice there. Can’t say I’ve read one person actually making this mix at home but I could do it although its a real bitch that I have no way of getting P87 at the moment 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DssMaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dssmaster/32/1686_2.png) [@DssMaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DssMaster)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/35 "2010-10-30T01:53:22Z")
How about posting the recipe/formula for the now discontinued [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 4:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/36 "2010-10-30T04:48:01Z")
> [@DssMaster](#): > > How about posting the recipe/formula for the now discontinued Instant Female Magic? Now, that would be the **SHARING OF THE YEAR!** 😛 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/37 "2010-10-30T07:36:46Z")
> [@DssMaster](#): > > How about posting the recipe/formula for the now discontinued Instant Female Magic? Clearly it contained magic. I feel though that it would be a bit redudent now with the rest of the consumer line being so well-rounded. I don’t think we are going to release this formula any time soon, sorry. As always we do love to hear your theories and best educated guesses! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/38 "2010-10-30T18:56:29Z")
I’m pretty POSITIVE I have it down to near perfection, my version. I split test an entire year and the results were amazing. Yes John, there is a good portion of MAGIC in there too. All I can tell you is it aint to easy to come across Unicorn Horn naturally separated from a creature that lives to 10000 years. From my experience the ones on eBay are all fake or worse “harvested” and everyone knows a Unicorn without its horn is a buffalo. Poor creatures. Such tiny wings. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/39 "2010-10-30T19:11:37Z")
I think I know what most of the ingredients in IFM consisted of and at what ratio; however, I can’t divulge it here, or I might get banned from the PT, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364/40 "2010-10-30T20:29:10Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > I think I know what most of the ingredients in IFM consisted of and at what ratio; however, I can’t divulge it here, or I might get banned from the PT, lol. Wouldn’t Pinnochio feel proud 🙄 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364.md?page=3)