# Being seen as a sexual possibility **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 24, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410 "2011-07-24T22:00:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/1 "2011-07-24T22:00:44Z")
OK guys, I know this is a big question and a big topic, but out of respect for our hosts, let’s try to keep this focused on [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). I’ve never been good with the dating scene and over the last several years I’ve been working hard on that. And I’ve made a lot of progress. I started off my pheromone adventure with skepticism and A314. I’d been feeling insecure as I was changing everything in my life, from where I lived to what I did for a living, and was looking to project more of a confident leader vibe. I think over the years I’ve gotten that part working, and a lot of other things, too. I also saw plenty of evidence that pheromones made an impact, though not necessarily always a good one. The situation now is that I’m in my 40’s, though I look in my 30s (my 28-30 y.o. friends think I’m about their age, as do my friends in their late 30s, go figure). I’m not doing a lot of meeting random strangers, but rather am getting involved with various groups that meet on a semi-regular basis, with most of the people being 28-38 y.o. (and, in fact, many more guys than gals). I’m doing fine making friends with the guys. For a while I think I was intimidating the gals. More recently, after I stopped using the A314, I’ve felt like I’ve done much better making the gals feel comfortable with me, but predictably I ended up solidly in the friend zone. I’m not looking to change any existing relationship statuses, but I am looking for some pheromonal help in being seen as a sexual possibility rather than just a friend by new women I meet who are interested in guys my age. (Oddly enough, the strongest IOIs I’ve been getting are from 23-25 y.o. who just want to get down and dirty, but I’m not into sloppy sex.) This is not at a club setting, though, this is at events like a gallery opening or charity fundraiser. There are always some single women there who are open to finding a boyfriend but aren’t really expecting to find one, and though I can talk to them and have a good time, I’m not getting a deeper emotional connection or a sexual vibe going. I used to drive very hard for the deeper emotional connection (it was my “move”) so the fact that I’m not getting it now is, I think, more of a conscious decision to hold back on those moves, and so I think that’s just a phase. What I’m trying to get handled now is getting a sexual vibe going, even if it doesn’t lead to anything physical happening. Yes, I know there’s a lot more to it than pheromones, but from the pheromone side, what do you guys recommend? Here’s what I’ve tried so far: - A314 gets me respect, but maybe too much, like you’re having an audience with the King. Or maybe it just feeds into my ego too much and I come off as thinking I’m better than everyone. - IO and CTTM2 get people talking and feeling comfortable with me, like an old friend, but not anything sexual. - IS works for making me feel a bit more of the life of the party, sort of a spotlight effect, but I crash pretty hard from it after about 90 minutes. Before then, it helps me get a conversation started and get people approaching me, but still doesn’t get that sexual vibe I’m having trouble with. - Ammo I haven’t tried much, but so far doesn’t seem to be doing much of anything for me. I’m really just getting started with it. - MX297, I’m just starting with this, too, and it seems to make me feel more sociable, but again in a neutered sort of way. - P74 I’ve only played around with a little, and so far seems to give people an “old school friend” kind of comfort/familiarity that makes it easier to connect. This may have some promise for a sexual vibe but it’s too early to tell. - P79 was one of the things that really convinced me that pheromones had an effect, but for me the effect was 100% bad. - I have TUTH but I’ve been afraid to use it. Don’t want to come across as “creepy old guy” and I was already scaring people away with the A314. Plus I’m not looking for instant sex. On the TV show “Friends” Joey would introduce himself to an attractive woman with a big smile, a twinkle in his eye, and a handshake while saying “How you doin’?” and immediately she’d know he was not going to be in the friend zone. I’m not looking for anything that bold, but until I get my eye twinkling right, I’m looking for a pheromone that will do that little piece for me. So what do you guys suggest? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/2 "2011-07-24T23:37:28Z")
IO/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) or IH/P74 (with or without A314) would seem to me a good icebreaker in the situations you describe - It has certainly worked well for me around arty people in a sort of “WOW! - you know your stuff and can keep talking to me about it” way. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/3 "2011-07-24T23:53:17Z")
Maybe you just haven’t found the right dose yet when it comes to [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), since you say you haven’t tried it much and haven’t seen results. I think Ammo could be exactly what you’re looking for. It should work fine in the settings you describe. ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/4 "2011-07-25T03:31:52Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > It has certainly worked well for me around arty people in a sort of “WOW! - you know your stuff and can keep talking to me about it” way. I’m specifically **NOT** looking for that reaction. I’m looking for more of a “let’s stop talking about art, let’s talk about where you’re taking me on our first date” kind of reaction. My best hit so far along the lines I’m looking for had a woman ask me “how many girlfriends do you have?” and shortly later pulled out her cell phone so she could enter my number in it. That was A314 + IS + P90 and I was really on my game, but that was also the first hit of the night and for me, IS fades really fast. (I’m still of the opinion that the greater portion of the results I see from pheromones are from self-effects than other-effects.) I didn’t get any other great hits that night, and in general have stopped using IS because of the crash I get. I also want to cut out the A314 for a while as it seems to be getting me the wrong kind of attention (more parental/professorial and less rock star/hunk). ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 4:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/5 "2011-07-25T04:48:29Z")
Dude you’re 48, you can likely handle some None, even sexually directed None so long as you have the right buffers. Consider A314 like a base product and what it does for you, how the self effects make you feel and how others respond to you. Ok now, consider a single spray of TuTH as having all of that plus communicating that you are still a sexy and sexual male. I don’t find it comes off as “creepy old guy” at all. In fact I think the extra None would enhance the “seems younger than he actually is” effect you seem to enjoy. Now TuTH would likely be a bit much for a horny teenager that can’t control himself enough to not stare at his dates tits…but for a man that comes across as mature, educated and high value this simply communicates that you still have you balls in working order and have more than your assets to offer a woman. The only thing imo that can make you give off a creepy old guy vibe…is being ashamed of your masculinity and your sexual desires to the point that you worry about being seen as a creepy old guy. Being unashamed of your sexuality is not the same as being the weasely guy in the corner oogling women and licking his chops like a predator. Think George Clooney, the guy is like 50 and he communicates his sexuality openly and unashamedly. Hell you know the guy can pull women less than half his age and she wouldn’t be thinking “creepy old guy”, she’d be thinking that she landed a guy that has maturity, sophistication, status and all the benefits of an older man, and is still a vital, virile and sexual male. So I say pull out the TuTH (not tooth) and let the chips fall where they may. ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 7:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/6 "2011-07-25T07:28:26Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Dude you’re 48, you can likely handle some None, even sexually directed None so long as you have the right buffers. > Consider A314 like a base product and what it does for you, how the self effects make you feel and how others respond to you. > > Ok now, consider a single spray of TuTH as having all of that plus communicating that you are still a sexy and sexual male. Thanks, Radman. I’ve found you’re posts to be quite helpful across the boards. Are you saying I should try TUTH by itself, or on top of A314? I mean, of course I should try both, but I’m not getting as many opportunities to test as I used to, so I want to prioritize. 🙂 Also, what’s your take on A314 & TUTH vs Ammo? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/7 "2011-07-25T12:20:00Z")
I’m saying try it with A314. I like the A314 and Ammo combo but I like TuTH more. I don’t talk about that combo as much because I think it works for me at my age. I wouldn’t recommend it for somebody under 35 as it might be too sexual and destroy the A314 vibe. But I’m almost 40 and you’re almost 50 so I think we can handle a little more direct sexuality in our mixes. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/8 "2011-07-25T15:44:51Z")
Just to add on to what the rest of the guys have said. In my opinion and experiences, I’m in my mid 20’s so take that into consideration as well. What I’ve found, which many members here have found is that A314 has more of that lasting effect, there is inherently something in there with a man that’s put together that does intimidate women, but in a good way. I only quickly browsed through everyone’s responses so I apologize if I repeated something. Build off the A314 vibe, because let me tell you that vibe is awesome. I’ve noticed a larger form of fallout effect from it. You want to steer it in a way that would be conducive to what you’re looking for. So yes play around with the effects, but off the bat, I would tell you to go TUTH and heavier on the IO around 2-3. Remember that nols can do wonders for you and it isn’t a benign product in terms of what you’re trying to acheive. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/9 "2011-07-25T18:12:58Z")
Just to reiterate what both P51 and Rad have said based upon my own experiences. I’ve been adding TUTH around one particular target and IJ just in general. It doesn’t take much, just a spray or 2 of TUTH or maybe just one of IJ. If I use to much IJ I do get a big aggro. But here’s what I’ve learned. It helps to create a bit of that sexual or manly sub communication you need to keep it just interesting enough for the girl to feel it somewhere deep down in her subconscious. You’re talking to her and even the smallest bit of innuendo is hitting her just right. What you have to remember is that we people when given information that is ambiguous, we will fill in the missing blanks with our own thoughts and concepts. So if you’ve got her feeling a bit of a sexual vibe, she will create her own thoughts around what you are saying and if done right, it can escalate sexually in no time. ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/10 "2011-07-26T17:53:12Z")
Thanks guys. Let me take what you’ve said and use that to formulate a new question. If I use TUTH as the base for my social mix (social meaning gallery opening, not club dancing), what should I tame it with if I want to avoid using A314. The thing about A314 is that, much like TUTH over-emphasizes the horniness of a 20 y.o. frat boy, A314 over-emphasizes my cool, superior vibe. Not that I really am cool or superior, but I seem to give off that vibe, and not in a great way when it comes to mingling. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/11 "2011-07-26T18:40:36Z")
HOw many drops of A314 are you using? I can go up to 4 prefer around 3, but when I want to have it more “sexual” I usually drop to 1 and add more ammo, or that pump or 2 of TUTH. But you could always go with IG or [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)/390, or just with 1 spray of ammo, 1 tuth and 2-4 of IO and 2-4 of IS ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/12 "2011-07-27T01:06:52Z")
Ksage, you know your stuff better than many around here. I see you mention A314 a lot and it seems you may have some of the same issues that I do with it. It just pushes your presence too far away to get in close. 🙂 What about IG? It’s always been better for me than A314 in initial contact. Use A314 later (1st date second date whatever) when you need to fortify that cool masculine vibe. I know a lot of guys are afraid that IG is too warm and friendly, that it will somehow lead to an instant “friend zone”. I don’t really think that is the case. You also don’t need to be told that pheromones only take you so far. I at last attracted the love of my life by combining a good knowlege of pheromones with some deadly kino and really concentrating on the strong, warm, but somewhat mysterious vibe that she really digs. Even now I’m never afraid to change my morning toast and marmalade for grits and eggs just to keep her guessing. LOL. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/being-seen-as-a-sexual-possibility/51410/13 "2011-07-27T16:59:41Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > HOw many drops of A314 are you using? Only using 1-2 drops A314. > [@renny](#): > > What about IG? It’s always been better for me than A314 in initial contact. Use A314 later (1st date second date whatever) when you need to fortify that cool masculine vibe. I know a lot of guys are afraid that IG is too warm and friendly, that it will somehow lead to an instant “friend zone”. I don’t really think that is the case. I haven’t played much with IG, thinking, as you said, that it would be too warm & friendly. I feel like I have enough gentlemanly qualities already that they don’t need enhancing.