# Best and Worst PUA stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [September 9, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284 "2009-09-09T00:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/1 "2009-09-09T00:35:59Z")
I’ve tried close to a dozen pua materials and some of them have really changed my life while others were just plain stooooopid. What are the best and worst material that you’ve come across so far?and why? think of it as a review 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 12:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/2 "2009-09-09T12:09:42Z")
Psssst…post your reviews first. Give a little, get a lot. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/3 "2009-09-09T19:41:25Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > Psssst…post your reviews first. > Give a little, get a lot. lol is that why nobody is talking? alright…here goes… best: so far it’s [puatraining.com](http://puatraining.com) by gambler. i say so far with a huge astericks because i’m trying some other stuff that i’ve heard is better. but anyways i’ve used gambler’s stuff to get with the cutest girl so far. really good stuff on the fundamentals like eye contact and body language. worst: speed seduction. ya ya ya, i know some people on this forum actually like it but i definitely didn’t. i can talk shit about it all day but i don’t want jeffries ass to come sue me so i’ll just leave it at i wish i’d never bought it. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/4 "2009-09-10T15:24:20Z")
I didn’t purchase the DVD set (bad me and my downloading habits) but the Flawless Natural DVD set was worth watching (I wouldn’t pay money for the advice… but it also wasn’t a waste of my time) ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/5 "2009-09-10T17:01:40Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > I didn’t purchase the DVD set (bad me and my downloading habits) but the Flawless Natural DVD set was worth watching (I wouldn’t pay money for the advice… but it also wasn’t a waste of my time) so it’s not worth paying for but jacking? what??? ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/6 "2009-09-10T18:13:29Z")
It’s like 300$ for the DVD set - WAYYY too expensive for an unproven product in my mind. I watched the set and thought - “Well I didn’t waste my time watching it but there is no way I would have been happy paying 300$ for this” If I had paid for it I would have been disappointed - I felt as though the value of the time I spent downloading and watching the DVD was not exceeded by the value of the information contained within. Or in other words - IMO it is not worth purchasing but is worthwhile. If the price ever comes down to the 50-100$ range I will probably shell out and buy one to support the author… as long as the DVD set is 300$ I will not. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/7 "2009-09-11T15:11:34Z")
Best? Anything by Vin DiCarlo. His materials tend to be very dense with ideas, unlike others who charge a massive amount for fluff. Best place to start? The Attraction Code, by the above author. About $37 IIRC. Vin’s all about showing you how to demonstrate your natural masculine personality in an attractive way. Vin’s main idea in the Attraction Code is that what is important is where you put your focus of attention. An attractive guy tends to put his focus of attention outside of himself, on his environment and the other person. An unattractive person is not aware of the environment and is worrying how they will be perceived by others. There’s a lot more to it than that, more than I can do justice to in a short post. Money back guarantee too, well worth checking out. Worst (that I’ve actually tried) - David DeAngelo. Puts out these 50-dvd sets that contain a lot of puff and fluff, inflated to make them look like they have more value. Not happy. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/8 "2009-09-11T21:27:19Z")
> [@meow333x](#): > > lol is that why nobody is talking? > > alright…here goes… > best: so far it’s [puatraining.com](http://puatraining.com) by gambler. i say so far with a huge astericks because i’m trying some other stuff that i’ve heard is better. but anyways i’ve used gambler’s stuff to get with the cutest girl so far. really good stuff on the fundamentals like eye contact and body language. > > worst: speed seduction. ya ya ya, i know some people on this forum actually like it but i definitely didn’t. i can talk shit about it all day but i don’t want jeffries ass to come sue me so i’ll just leave it at i wish i’d never bought it. I don’t know if you heard , but a while back some guys proved that Gambler wasn’t a PUA. He was buying vids of other guys doing pick up and passing them off as his own. He basically repacked a bunch of PUA material as his own. By the way have you seen some of the experts’ girlfriends. woof woof. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/9 "2009-09-12T04:02:09Z")
> [@Blacky\_Chan](#): > > I don’t know if you heard , but a while back some guys proved that Gambler wasn’t a PUA. He was buying vids of other guys doing pick up and passing them off as his own. He basically repacked a bunch of PUA material as his own. By the way have you seen some of the experts’ girlfriends. woof woof. man if you think that’s wack…ross jeffries takes the cake for wtf comments. dude claims to be the best instructor…but there’s not a dam bit of proof of him in the field..what the deal? seriously? he’s been teaching for 20 years and nobody has any pics or videos of him doing his thing? ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/10 "2009-09-14T05:57:53Z")
UHH, I’ve seen videos of Ross infield. On broadcast television at that. I enjoyed the novel perspective and humour of Ross’s materials. The poetry was cool too, and it gives everyday words and additional layer of meaning. The amount of depth it can put into your Game is limitless. I agree that I also enjoyed Attraction Code. Their coach Orleans is a sex machine. Best: **The Venusian Arts Handbook.** The first book I read and still the best. Was it made to seduce women, or seduce the hearts and minds of the men who read it, you decide. Those who discredit the author as a destroyer of men have failed to view the work beyond it’s pages. Requires intellect and _creative_ application of teachings Worst: Oh i’ve read/watched some pretty bad material out there. Loaded with poor anchoring, awful limited beliefs, sales copy. The worst professional stuff out there to me is probably mehow. I found the infield videos entertaining, but the learning equivalent to a reality tv show. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/11 "2009-09-14T15:05:26Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > UHH, I’ve seen videos of Ross infield. On broadcast television at that. > > I enjoyed the novel perspective and humour of Ross’s materials. The poetry was cool too, and it gives everyday words and additional layer of meaning. The amount of depth it can put into your Game is limitless. > > I agree that I also enjoyed Attraction Code. Their coach Orleans is a sex machine. > > Best: **The Venusian Arts Handbook.** The first book I read and still the best. Was it made to seduce women, or seduce the hearts and minds of the men who read it, you decide. Those who discredit the author as a destroyer of men have failed to view the work beyond it’s pages. Requires intellect and _creative_ application of teachings > > Worst: Oh i’ve read/watched some pretty bad material out there. Loaded with poor anchoring, awful limited beliefs, sales copy. The worst professional stuff out there to me is probably mehow. I found the infield videos entertaining, but the learning equivalent to a reality tv show. I think adding bits and pieces of each can be beneficial. Some are way better than others. Mehow’s voice is like nails on a chalkboard, but I saw a video with another PUA. The guy was very good and the video allowed you to see subtle techniques in action. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/12 "2009-09-15T00:00:08Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > UHH, I’ve seen videos of Ross infield. On broadcast television at that. really? where? > [@evolver](#): > > I enjoyed the novel perspective and humour of Ross’s materials. The poetry was cool too, and it gives everyday words and additional layer of meaning. The amount of depth it can put into your Game is limitless. for a sec i thought you were joking. you think jeffries has a sense of humor? really? show me a clip of him being funny. that would be like trying to find a republican in a gay bar. i really want to see this. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/13 "2009-09-15T00:16:08Z")
> [@meow333x](#): > > that would be like trying to find a republican in a gay bar. i really want to see this. You mean you’ve never heard of the [Log Cabin Republicans](http://online.logcabin.org/)??😃 Even Wikipedia has an entry for [them](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans). ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/14 "2009-09-15T02:23:37Z")
> [@meow333x](#): > > really? where? > > for a sec i thought you were joking. you think jeffries has a sense of humor? really? show me a clip of him being funny. that would be like trying to find a republican in a gay bar. i really want to see this. meow33x, Let’s snort androstenone and wrestle. I can’t believe you have not detected his sense of humour. It’s throughout all his materials. Listen to a recording of him speak, so you don’t have to see his ugly maw and you will hear hilarious stuff peppered everywhere. His newsletter, which some of my talented pua friends have been reading for years and years has the same. You want me to prove it to you, yet your quick judgement has rendered you unwilling to find it for yourself. I understand, because I did the same when I first heard of his materials. I thought it was creepy and manipulative…funny I used to think the same about [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). C’est la vie. I don’t owe you or Ross anything, however if you PM me I can send you some links. Now… Did someone mention a gay bar? [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/8/84ff2375ca8d9d4ffecc5616883a0ad59c52306d.jpeg "The Electric Six - Gay Bar") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCZvYXwBlkk) ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/15 "2009-09-15T16:31:15Z")
I have to add Cory Skyy and Rion Williams to the “crap” list. Cory Skyy’s material is very ordinary. Not necessarily bad, just massively overpriced for what you get. Rion Williams… he offers a free download sample of his stuff, it’s badly written, poorly edited and incomprehensible. He keeps repeating himself, and even one of the pages of the PDF is completely duplicated! I think there might be some good ideas hidden somewhere in the verbiage, but I don’t have time or patience to find it. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/16 "2009-09-15T20:15:19Z")
Yeah there were eventually some good ideas in Rion Williams stuff. I enjoyed readings on the social conditioning and his perspective on womens sexuality in the modern world. My friend is with Rion sarging in barcelona right now, lucky guy. lol…your repeating hisself comment is funny with your sig 🙂 Irony is everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/17 "2009-09-15T20:26:13Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > meow33x, Let’s snort androstenone and wrestle. I can’t believe you have not detected his sense of humour. It’s throughout all his materials. Listen to a recording of him speak, so you don’t have to see his ugly maw and you will hear hilarious stuff peppered everywhere. His newsletter, which some of my talented pua friends have been reading for years and years has the same. > > You want me to prove it to you, yet your quick judgement has rendered you unwilling to find it for yourself. I understand, because I did the same when I first heard of his materials. I thought it was creepy and manipulative…funny I used to think the same about pheromones. C’est la vie. I don’t owe you or Ross anything, however if you PM me I can send you some links. > > Now… > Did someone mention a gay bar? > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCZvYXwBlkk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCZvYXwBlkk) no offense to you man, but i’ve listened to his cd’s. dam i couldn’t get through even one a day cause it was so dam boring…literally put me to sleep. and for a guy with insomnia, that is quite an accomplishment. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/18 "2009-09-16T22:29:41Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > I agree that I also enjoyed Attraction Code. Their coach Orleans is a sex machine. Orleans’ vids on youtube are fucking priceless. That guy is fucking on point. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/19 "2009-09-18T01:52:09Z")
another to put on the list of crap is Paul Janka. Dam that guy is creepy as hell. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284/20 "2009-09-18T13:26:41Z")
Yeah, I read a few articles about Paul Janka… apparently he wrote a book on picking up women he was trying to get published. It includes advice like buying her drinks and asking the barman to make them extra strong while drinking soda water yourself… and then there’s that date-rape charge. Coincidence? I think not. He strikes me as f\*\*kin’ creepy too. A good and free resource is Joseph W. South, he has a podcast called “Practical Female Psychology” which used to be called the Joseph W. South Show. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-and-worst-pua-stuff/32284.md?page=2)