# Best for breaking out of the Friendzone? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 15, 2008, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685 "2008-05-15T23:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@TheNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheNoob)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/1 "2008-05-15T23:35:18Z")
I’m completely new to the whole pheromone thing. I saw an add for Pherlure and was going to go with that but thought I would ask here. I have been reading this site all day and everyone seems to have an opinion for certain situations. I am needing to break out of the friendzone which I am phenominal at getting myself into, and just need to know what to try first. Thanks for any help or suggestions as far as the [pheromones](https://a314.com/) go. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/2 "2008-05-15T23:43:52Z")
Here are 2 threads from last week that can be very helpful > [@Need help escaping "THE FRIEND ZONE"](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/need-help-escaping-the-friend-zone/12488): > > So I need you all’s help. I’m a 24 year old guy, pretty good looking but about 40 lbs overweight. Here’s my problem, I’m totally in love with this girl I work with and she and I are really close friends… But everytime I ask her out she tells me she cares about me but she’s just not attracted to me… Now here’s where I might blow all your minds — I don’t want to get her into bed with this — Call me old fashioned but I believe in waiting for marriage cool So what do you guys suggest? I’m really … > [@the friend zone haha](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-friend-zone-haha/12080): > > ok so i just made an order for ammu it will be my first bottle i cant wait to test it out. but now im wondering is there anything i can order to combine it with that will help get out of the friend zone? cause i do have a lot of female friends. a few of them i would love to go for. i think it would be interesting to see what happens and how they respond to it. lol sorry for being such a noob. lol but the more i ask the more i learn. ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/3 "2008-05-15T23:48:20Z")
From a woman’s point of view: If you just want to f_ck us, tell us. Most likely we want to f_ck you too. Stop with all the “I want to be a friends” BS and just come at us. If you want to date us, treat us accordingly. You WILL lose any chance you had if we were to become friends and find out it was all just to catch us at a weak point and get in our pants. You should read this: [What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558) If we see you as a friend, nothing you wear will change our minds. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 11:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/4 "2008-05-15T23:52:03Z")
pheromones won’t help you much if you don’t project the right attitude and make the right moves right off the bat. Foremostly, don’t treat her like a good friend and/or sister (no shopping for shoes!). Learn to maintain a certain amount of sexual tension from the beginning. Not too much or you’ll come off as a perv or needy. Not too little or you’ll sink back to being a eunuch. How? It’s all about projecting a confident male attitude, demonstrating you have a solid future, not appearing needy and treating her like a woman. Oh, and make your intentions clear. No game playing (unless you’re in HS). Most of all, you need to learn to hold her glaze without being creepy. Of course, you need to be sure she’s into you. No amount of willpower, technique or pheromones will force a woman to want you if you ain’t her type. With all that said, a few of my long term female friends have turned into lovers. I don’t think it was merely a “catch us at a weak point and get in our pants” type of deal. Although friends, it’s easy to maintain a low level of sexual tension in a friendship. You merely keep your boundaries due to other commitments. And when those commitments expire, the opportunity arises and things mutually develop. Yes it’s rare, but these types of relationships tend to be longer lasting for me due to the solid foundation of “friendship.” ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/5 "2008-05-15T23:57:26Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > From a woman’s point of view: If you just want to f_ck us, tell us. Most likely we want to f_ck you too. Stop with all the “I want to be a friends” BS and just come at us. If you want to date us, treat us accordingly. You WILL lose any chance you had if we were to become friends and find out it was all just to catch us at a weak point and get in our pants. I want to fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/6 "2008-05-16T00:01:39Z")
> [@Eldros](#): > > I want to fuck you. I’m a one cock girl, sorry. But thanks for the invite…😉 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/7 "2008-05-16T00:06:42Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > From a woman’s point of view: If you just want to f_ck us, tell us. Most likely we want to f_ck you too. Stop with all the “I want to be a friends” BS and just come at us. If you want to date us, treat us accordingly. > [@Gegogi](#): > > Foremostly, don’t treat her like a good friend and/or sister (no shopping for shoes!). Learn to maintain a certain amount of sexual tension from the beginning. The above advice summarizes it all. Be a man. Show her you are a man. Let her know that you like/want her, and create and keep a bit of sexual tension going. The sexual tension can be created with flirting, touching, body language, and loking at her in THAT way. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/8 "2008-05-16T00:09:43Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > I’m a one cock girl, sorry. But thanks for the invite…😉 What’re you talking about? I do have one cock. What if **she asks** if I’ll be her friend? And she talks about wanting to dump her current BF cause he’s a shroomhead? ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/9 "2008-05-16T00:11:10Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > Stop with all the “I want to be a friends” BS and just come at us. What if she asks if I’ll be her friend? And she talks about wanting to dump her current BF cause he’s a shroomhead? ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/10 "2008-05-16T00:15:48Z")
She’s VENTING. He’s pissed her off and she’s just bitching. She’s not going anywhere. She might f\*ck you, but I doubt it will be more than one time and if it is, she’ll still be with him and it will bring you nothing but DRAMA. Find someone unattached to f\*ck or wait until she actually does dump him. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/11 "2008-05-16T00:21:51Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > She’s VENTING. Agreed! If she actually planned on dumping him, she would have already done so. He may not treat her very well and she may well be pissed off at him, but as David D would say: “Attraction Isn’t A Choice”, and that behavior is likely what turns her on about him, even though she may bitch and gripe about it. ---
**Author:** ![TheNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@TheNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheNoob)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 7:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/12 "2008-05-16T07:47:48Z")
Thanks for the advise, I’m actually just looking for which [pheromone](https://a314.com/) might put off more of the date vibe then friend vibe. I hang out with quite a few women some of which I’ve already hooked up with and just ended up in the friendzone. I have an issue I guess with all the women I meet as coming off as the ‘nice’ guy not the fuckable or relationship guy. I need a pheromone to help put over the top that I’m out to have a good time in more than a friendly way. ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/13 "2008-05-16T17:15:10Z")
YOU put yourself in the friendzone, not us. If you hooked up with them, why didn’t it go all the way? Did you not want to push things? Something’s not adding up here. We don’t hook up with guys we see as friends. It takes one kiss to know if we are or are not into you. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/14 "2008-05-16T22:33:18Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > It takes one kiss to know if we are or are not into you. _Mini-thread jack_ True or False. Women love kissing more than most men know. ---
**Author:** ![TheNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@TheNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheNoob)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/15 "2008-05-16T23:23:45Z")
Sorry that’s what I meant by hooked up, we just didn’t work out in the long run because it was more of friends with drunken benefits. I’m ok with how all of that worked out, just seem to end up friends with a ton of women but I seem to be putting off the friend vibe. I’m really just looking for the pheromone that is going to change the vibe I’m putting off to be more of a sexual tone then a lets be friend tone. Something to start off with. Before I started reading this forum I was going to go with pherlure but saw a whole ton of negative stuff on this site about it. Now I am leaning toward turn up the heat or ammo, but haven’t decided which. Suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![mstearious\_won](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8edcca/32.png) [@mstearious\_won](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mstearious_won)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/16 "2008-05-17T00:46:28Z")
> [@NormaJeanMarilyn](#): > > It takes one kiss to know if we are or are not into you. Actually, it doesnt even take that. Atleast with me it doesnt, which goes to show not **all** women respond in the same manner to the same stimuli. I have told guys who I deemed “boy friend material” to “lets just be friends” because of things I had going on with me. For every “rule,” there is an exception. Have you tried talking to these women and finding out what’s going on in their life? What type of guy snags their interest? If I am digging a guy and its not reciprocated, then usually I fall back and treat him like the friend he wants to be which means no more extra attention. Sometimes they are content with it, sometimes its the opposite. All in all, you can’t force what doesnt fit. Give it your best shot and if you don’t win them over, you can walk away with peace of mind knowing that you tried. I know people tend to translate the phrase “its not you, it’s me” into it’s me, not them when in reality, it really is them. If that makes sense? I dunno I confuse myself at times _lol_ I’m really having a hard time grasping why men want to escape the friends zone, sometimes its safer there _lol_ No, but seriously the best relationships have a sturdy foundation base of friendship 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 4:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/17 "2008-05-17T04:49:22Z")
What I meant was that we might not be sure where our feelings lie until we kiss you. I’ve gotten along really well with people, wondered why I wasn’t 100% attracted to them physically and just kissed them (or let them kiss me)to check. Then when I felt nothing, I was 100% and moved on. I’ve never kissed anyone I was friends with. Those people are firmly in Friendzone and will never be granted a pass anywhere else. My ex and I were “friends” for 6 months because I had just broken up with someone when we met. It was only a matter of time before we got together. He basically gave me the space I needed until I was ready for a boyfriend again. But neither one of us dated anyone else and did everything but kiss and have sex for those 6 months. ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/18 "2008-05-20T20:20:18Z")
Just wanted to add something…the ability to shop with us is actually something we look for in a MATE. My man takes me shopping with him for his clothes. Not my friend, my BOYFRIEND. He wants to know what I like on him. It’s something we share. (Yes, I know not everyone will feel this way). It’s a joy to be with a man who doesn’t bitch and moan his way through the mall. We can shop all day and my man doesn’t complain. It’s not a daily occurance and I do my shopping alone (I like to surprise him after a trip to VS). Nothing worse than a grown man acting like a 5 year old. THAT makes us not want to see you as more than a friend. Ina relationship you have to compromise. If we see that you can’t or won’t, we are NOt giving you a pass to the glory that lies between our thighs. That overly macho crap is such a turn off. I used to think it was cute until I constantly had to talk to the cops about why my boyfriends punched some guy for looking at me or something. BORING… ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/19 "2008-05-20T20:30:44Z")
im having dejavu… ohh wait… it’s the 2394879924 other threads on this topic. Good material in all places tho… quality posts ---
**Author:** ![NormaJeanMarilyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/normajeanmarilyn/32/586_2.png) [@NormaJeanMarilyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NormaJeanMarilyn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-for-breaking-out-of-the-friendzone/12685/20 "2008-05-20T21:08:04Z")
ROLFMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. If you guys insist on trying to break out of it, so be it. People said Alcatraz was impossible and few broke out of there, too. Of course, they did get sent back once caught…the once who weren’t swallowed up by the waters surrounding it.