# Best pheros/amounts for Mid-40s Male? **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372 "2009-08-07T01:05:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Naviculus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@Naviculus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Naviculus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/1 "2009-08-07T01:05:24Z")
Hi all, Divorced a few years back but have had very little luck with the ladies since. I’m average looks 6-7. I’m in decent shape but short and that seems to be a disadvantage. Something that would help with confidence so I project a bigger more alpha image perhaps. I feel a little out of place in most clubs due to my age, so it’s mostly about parties, and meeting people out and about in the daytime. But I’m interested in women in the 25-35 range. Hoping to get a little edge with the pheros. I’d also like something or a mixture that has some versatility. My workplace is small, but mostly male. Any advice where to start? ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/2 "2009-08-07T01:59:37Z")
Welcome to Pherotalk, Naviculus! If you’re looking for something to help with confidence and projecting a more alpha image, you could try A314. It is a bit expensive and complex for a starting product, but most people who have tried it will tell you it is worth every penny. It was specially designed to command respect and project an alpha image, putting you in command. It also has great versatility, especially when paired with a social mix like [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) which can lessen the possible intimidation factor and make you seem more approachable. At clubs and parties, a great all-around mix would be Ammo, which draws attention and creates attraction, as well as a light sexual vibe. Read through the thread [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) and make sure you’ve answered all the questions in it, and you will qualify for a $25 gift certificate which Steve will send you when he’s made sure you’ve given enough information about yourself. That should help you out with your first purchase. If you have any more questions, don’t hesitate to ask! Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/3 "2009-08-07T02:07:22Z")
Welcome. There is no substitute for trying things out on yourself. Effects vary with the user, although there are some common themes to guide your expectations. You should try: 1 - rone products, a314 and ig. Both lend a competent masculine air. IG is less intimidating. Both are good to have. 2 - anone products. Tuth or IJ. Young guys get warned about these but they’re not generally a problem for guys your age. This will give more of a masculine, overtly sexual air. 3 - nol products. ih and io. These make you approachable and easy to talk to. Not overtly sexual, but lead to increased intimacy, and who knows where that leads. Try each product by itself until you understand what it does. When you know that you can mix and match. ---
**Author:** ![AlexanderG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexanderg/32/891_2.png) [@AlexanderG](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlexanderG)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/4 "2009-08-07T08:41:07Z")
Hi Nav, Welcome to the forums. It’s cool that you don’t see clubs as the ideal place to meet women. Parties, bars, out shopping, the gym (etc) or even online are other good venues. I’d like you to consider Ammo double strength, a great product for attracting women. It has a bit of a cult following here. Other products to help your comfort and draw others to you include Instant Shine, Instant Honesty, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). Make sure you study these in[The Mens Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mens-pheromone-guide-revised-6-15/12168) Also consider doing a course or reading a book on the art of picking up women. I suggest you google David DeAngelo, Venusian Arts, and Real Social Dynamics. Best of luck. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/5 "2009-08-07T19:34:13Z")
Welcome to PheroTalk. I used to party and live in Berkeley myself and it does have a strange aura about the people and who they hang out with. Good times though I think you wanna try yourself some A314 and TUTH. Its a great combo where you get the Big man aura of who’s the boss and the strong sexual side of TUTH. Now of course you have been blessed to have Gone With The Wind respond to your post because, well he’s the man! Great advice right there. **I’ll be sending out your gift certificate to your email in just a short while.** Welcome to the forum ---
**Author:** ![subVerse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@subVerse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/subVerse)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/6 "2009-08-07T23:42:45Z")
Hey Naviculus, I’ve only been here about three weeks now, but I’ve already seen IOI’s from the ladies using different combinations of Ammo, Instant Shine, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), Turn Up The Heat, and A314. I’m 42, in pretty good shape, and 6-7 looks wise as well. Any of the products listed would be good ones to start with, and don’t forget to sift through the older threads about congruence, what works with what, and where to spray/ apply. There’s a lot of great info here and a ton of helpful people. You’ll also find Androtics Direct to be hands down the easiest company to do business with. Ever. Welcome to the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Naviculus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@Naviculus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Naviculus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 6:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/7 "2009-08-13T06:13:23Z")
Thanks all, I’m being conservative at first, trying 1x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), 1x IH, 1x IO. Also got A314 from LS as it’s out of stock here, and Alpha-7. But I’m pretty shy so I’m going to go light on the -nones until I figure out how these others work for me. Sounds like IG, TUTH and IS should be added when I can afford them. Last two days haven’t noticed too much difference in others, except that I have felt a little bit more confident than usual. It’s hard to tell whether that’s placebo or not. ---
**Author:** ![Naviculus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@Naviculus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Naviculus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/8 "2009-08-13T06:27:15Z")
> [@AlexanderG](#): > > Hi Nav, > > Also consider doing a course or reading a book on the art of picking up women. I suggest you google David DeAngelo, Venusian Arts, and Real Social Dynamics. > > Best of luck. Yes I have about half of the DYD products (and several similar)! DD is a great resource! I have to attribute what success I’ve had in recent years to a change in my attitudes and beliefs largely based on his material. Lance Mason’s stuff is also an excellent resource on body language and posture. Highly recommended. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 9:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/9 "2009-08-13T09:33:17Z")
For my money, Vin DiCarlo’s material leaves that warmed over Mystery Method stuff in the dust. ---
**Author:** ![MVKBUGATTI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@MVKBUGATTI](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MVKBUGATTI)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/10 "2009-12-23T13:26:22Z")
Hi Naviculus; So how are you doing? You mentioned that you heading in the direction of first trying, 1x Ammo ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) , 1x [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) , 1x [IO](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). So how did these products work, or can you share your experience with them. Where they helpful? 🙂 How’s LS’s Alpha-7, I heard that it was decent. I remembered you stating you haven’t notice a difference at one point, so are things differently now. I’ve tried [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), for the first time yesterday, it was like a " Paint the Town Red" experience for me, you know Clint Eastwood in that movie.😃😃 So, I was wondering what’s up? Any changes, improvements, or results.🙂 I would love to ATTEND Vin DiCarlo’s boot camp. His approach seems to be one of the better methods. okay later, MVKBUGATTI ---
**Author:** ![Naviculus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/278dde/32.png) [@Naviculus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Naviculus)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 6:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-pheros-amounts-for-mid-40s-male/31372/11 "2009-12-24T06:26:06Z")
Thanks for asking MV. I continue to wear these products 4-5 times a week on average. To be perfectly honest, I just don’t seem to notice any difference in how people react to me, on or off. I have tried different amounts of IH (2-4 sprays arms), IO (2-6 sprays arms), Ammo (1-2 sprays chest), and LS A314 (1-3 drops, neck) and LS Alpha7 (1-2 drops, neck/ears). All of these are 1x. I admit to not having done much research with only one of these agents at a time. I nearly always use at least two of the above–primarily IO and 314. Some days I try the others as well. But almost never do I wear them all simultaneously. Alpha7 I don’t use very often as from what I understand it is somewhat redundant with Ammo. I have also rarely tried 314, Ammo or Alpha7 alone as I am not very outgoing and it seems like I should have the help of the other agents, but dunno..maybe at my age I’m underestimating the amount of -none I should use and should focus on them more. The conflict is that I’m very introverted so I want things that are ice breakers, but on the other hand the -none based products might have good self-effects for my confidence. The humidity here is a bit on the low side of average and the temperature is for the most part very mild year-round (well, cooler now, but nowhere near a White Christmas). The one effect I have found to be reasonably consistent is that A314 tends to makes me feel a little different in a subtle way. I feel it mostly when I put it on. It’s hard to describe. Maybe a little more confident, although I’m not sure that’s exactly what I mean–cool and collected? At any rate I just haven’t noticed the effects of these to translate to other people around me. Also, at least one of these agents has a tendency to give me a touch of a sore throat from breathing it, although it’s hard to know which one exactly. Fortunately it has become less common as time goes on. I wonder if anyone else has had this effect. Also, to be fair I just don’t get out that much recently. I did have a couple of older ladies tell me I “smelled nice”. Could be something there..but let’s just say in that context they had other incentives to say that and one of them has said the same thing months ago when I was only wearing regular cologne. I just ordered some IG, IShine 2x, and since IO has been used more than any other and is now almost gone, I’m reordering that at 2x as well to see what happens. So soon enough I’ll see if any of that makes any difference. Am open to any other suggestions…It seems like controlled testing on this stuff is next to impossible unless you do the same thing and run into the same people every day.