# Best Strength for P83 and P75 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 29, 2014, 11:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-strength-for-p83-and-p75/62310 "2014-06-29T11:31:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hopeful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ce7236/32.png) [@Hopeful](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hopeful)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 11:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-strength-for-p83-and-p75/62310/1 "2014-06-29T11:31:30Z")
I’m intending to purchase the UPIP, and based on what I’ve read on the forum I’m also going to purchase some P83 and [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/). I’m wondering what strengths of P83 and P75 would be recommended for a 54 y.o. newbie? Are there any other recommendations? Many thanks for any advice. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 12:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-strength-for-p83-and-p75/62310/2 "2014-06-29T12:09:26Z")
Around 10mcg for P83 and 2.5mcg for P75, both in 6% [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) - That will let you cover a good dose range/number of sprays for each till you find your own best doses. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-strength-for-p83-and-p75/62310/3 "2014-06-29T13:23:06Z")
[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) isn’t particularly age-affected in dose. It is more affected by the mix you use it with, so less with more social-leaning mixes and more with heavier-going status/sexuals. I’d suggest you start wxploring in the 10-30mcg range around socials and 30-80mcg around sexuals, depending on overtness. Typically I’m in the 30-60 range for what I tend to wear and 60-80 when I’ve got a honking sexual on. Over around 100mcg quickly becomes unproductive and a waste of every phero involved. P75 however does show an age-leaning and I’m pretty certain that its the reason I can use 5-7.5mcg in mixes with good results, whilst much younger guys are usually at their ceiling with 2.5mcg or even diluting it down/exploring the new microdoses. High dose P75 mixes are something else again and only a few people seem to be able to carry them-off successfully, so it really is best to get your basic dose with 2.5 before exploring upward - For one thing, your wallet will thank you as going higher on the P75 can lead to your needing staggering amounts of expensive social products to stop you from being Mr Edgy around people! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-strength-for-p83-and-p75/62310/4 "2014-07-01T07:30:15Z")
Replying to subscribe. Purchasing both of these mones next week. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 1:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-strength-for-p83-and-p75/62310/5 "2014-07-01T13:46:49Z")
Hi Yung, I concur with Mobocaster on the P75, as 2.5mcg is my normal dose, but I usually go 20 mcg on the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). I do get more hits from women the higher I go up with it though. Thats the rub…you have to steer it with socials or you will be rubbing some guys the wrong way. Not a “lets go out back and settle this” kind of thing, but interactions with guys will be strained. I once sat down at a crowded bar between two guys at the only open seat, and one guy got up in about 2 minutes and moved to the other side of the bar, and the guy on the other side of me scooted his stool about a foot away from me, visibly crowding the guy on the other side. I was wearing 15mcg P75. Start at 2.5mcg P75 and experiment going up and down from there. If you are going to try higher doses of P75, throw a togo of shine or P83 in your pocket in case you need to buffer it more on the fly. Good luck!